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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
I'm perfectly ok with adding "Zelda cycle" to the list of phrases we should just stop using, along with "dudebro" and "strawman"
Does anyone on GAF know how to make Ocarina codes? I want to play through the game again, but I'd have a hard time unless there were codes made to:
-speed up the text. by a lot.
-Fi never speaks
-skip cutscenes/text
and, personal preference:
-control swimming with the analog stick
Shit would make the game 15x more enjoyable.
-speed up the text. by a lot.
-Fi never speaks
-skip cutscenes/text
and, personal preference:
-control swimming with the analog stick
Shit would make the game 15x more enjoyable.
whoa strawman actually has utility, we can't abandon that
ViewtifulJC
Banned
add some warps and no flapping for the bird
ViewtifulJC
Banned
but a good 99% of the internet who uses the term "strawman" has no idea how to utilize it, to the point where its just a meanginless term now, just like how everything semi-realistic is now appealing to "dudebros".
edit: dat double post fail
Togglesworlh
Banned
I have the same problem but I figured it was Motion+ related, since I've never used one before.
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
Oh damn that quest in faron woods
was so tedious.
But I liked the originality in the
The best dungeon in this game is still for me the
dont click on this spoiler, if you are not far in the game.
Probably best dungeon ever I played in a zelda game, mostly for setting and originality and epic boss fight.
finding the musical notes
But I liked the originality in the
volcano dungeon, where you need to find all your items again, that was very original from nintendo
The best dungeon in this game is still for me the
sandship
Probably best dungeon ever I played in a zelda game, mostly for setting and originality and epic boss fight.
Just like 99% of the internet doesn't know how to use the word 'troll'. But we don't abandon the words because of retards! We just use them the right way and mock their lack of intelligence!
The first time I played Skyward Sword it went something like 22 hours without having to be changed. It blew my mind considering that is far and away the most time I ever got with a battery controller. Afterwards, any battery I used lasted like 8 hours, I had to change twice more over the course of Skyward Sword.
I only changed batteries once and I just finished the game at around 45 hours.
ShockingAlberto
Member
For those having trouble swimming, the best way I found to visualize it is that the remote in 3D space is basically Link. He'll tilt and twist the way you do.
That's interesting. I had fresh batteries when I started, and it lasted about 17 hours of play. I'm 31 hours into the game now, and it's blinking red again, so I'll have to change a second time. I wonder what affects how long a pair of batteries last for the game...
EmCeeGramr
Member
I was getting rather annoyed at her during the fifth dungeon when she almost redeemed herself when
the boat suddenly gets ripped apart and tentacles are coming through the floor and walls and she says "there's a 95% chance that the ship is under attack."
That and if (pre-dungeon 1)
you respond to the fact that Kikwi is registering as a positive for the Zelda-dowsing with "Zelda?" she'll say "No, I don't think it's Zelda. It's a Kikwi. Very low probability of being Zelda."
This is exactly what I did. Maybe it's just WSR experience there, because I never had any problems with making my bird or swimming Link go exactly where I wanted him to.
yankeeforever2
Member
Final Boss time, almost done.
Also it's worth noting I was using the motion+ remote packed in with Skyward Sword and the batteries that came with it. I don't know if that makes any difference
I don't know why it is, and it's especially weird because I'd think the m+ is located in the base of the wiimote (similarly to how the m+ dongle plugs into the bottom), but the game appears to read movements with the top of the remote better than movements from the bottom. Like playing the instrument or flapping while flying, works better when you just move the far end.
I haven't had any trouble with the twisting motion like for flying. Always works exactly as I want it to. The only time I've had trouble is with swaying motions, like when diving, but I think I've got the hang of it now (and am not sure what I was doing wrong in the first place).
... Guys, the "Zelda cycle" post was a joke 
.
Not that I say it doesn't exist, it does, but it's not exactly magical or people are just hypocrites. But I don't want to get in to that.
Some of her comments did make me laugh. But on my second play through i can understand why people can get annoyed by her, especially if they don't like her sense of humor.
.Not that I say it doesn't exist, it does, but it's not exactly magical or people are just hypocrites. But I don't want to get in to that.
Some of her comments did make me laugh. But on my second play through i can understand why people can get annoyed by her, especially if they don't like her sense of humor.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I just want to confirm: you guys who are having trouble with swimming are holding the A button down, not tapping/mashing it, right?
Oh, maybe that's my problem. Once I get the one bar notification, I change batteries because it's too annoying. So the batteries aren't actually dead, just low, and the game starts to annoy me about it. >_<
Yeah I think the lack of a quick turn makes swimming more of a hassle than it should be. The actual swimming controls are fine, and I don't have any problems, but if I miss something and need to turn around, it becomes loooooooool.
decoyplatypus
Member
I finished the game this morning. Here are my scattershot impressions:
Good
1. Graphics = They found an attractive balance between TP and WW. I liked the bright colors and cartoony character designs. If it wasnt as charming as Wind Waker, well, it was still a direction I would accept for the series going forward.
I was less pleased by the comparative lack of variety in environments and enemy designs.
Fine
1. Music = It wasnt bad. I enjoyed the live instruments and some of the dungeon tracks, but I was disappointed that there wasnt a single catchy tune. And (end game spoiler)
2. Dungeons = I liked most of the dungeons, but I cant remember more than a handful of rooms or puzzles. Among the 3D Zeldas, Id rate them above Wind Wakers but below OoT and TP, so probably right around MMs level.
3. Sidequests = Whats in the game was pretty good. Batreaux was one of the more likeable characters. The problem is that Majoras Mask was a decade ago, and while other games in the adventure and RPG genres have pushed ahead, Zelda has stagnated. SS didnt even have multi-stage quests like a trading sequence or WWs pictograph quest.
Mixed
1. Items = I think Nintendo did a good job of keeping the items in use throughout the game. A few of the bosses (though not nearly enough) were even susceptible to multiple items. But I do have a few complaints. (item spoilers)
2. Combat = It was neat at first to wave Link's sword around and use an arm motion for the angle of attack, but the end result actually felt more limited than Twilight Princess's move set. There, I could still select my basic attacks (thrust, horizontal swipe, vertical slash, jump attack, etc.) plus use a lot of special inputs and contextual cues for a more engaging version of the same, light combat style we'd had since OoT. SS is a little more original, but also a little less precise. Maybe I would have felt better about the combat if more boss fights had taken advantage of deflections, angled skyward strikes, etc.
3. Overworld = First the good points. Im glad Nintendo decided to experiment with the overworld structure. I was impressed by how they managed to layer the forest environment, and Nintendo was smart to add more warp points for this one.
But this was not the right direction for the series going forward. The overworld was so linear and disconnected that backtracking felt like more of a chore than a pleasure. Making the overworld more dungeon-like may have seemed like a good idea, but it turns out that the distinction between overworld and dungeons was an important one it gave the player a mental break and invited different kinds of exploration and NPC interaction. I suspect the relationship between the regions was also partially at fault. Ideally, accessing a new area is like the point in Majoras Mask when you get Epona and race south to jump the fence to the beach. Its seamless. In Skyward Sword that same action involves warping to the sky, flying for a few minutes, and crash landing next to an area thats highlighted on the map. The differences may be largely cosmetic, but the two feel worlds apart.
Flying was only fun when you were close to islands or you were skydiving. Otherwise it was less compelling than riding Epona or the King of Red Lions.
I hope future Zeldas return to the standard overworld structure but compress it and add more NPCs - friendly and hostile - with whom you can interact.
Bad
1. Upgrades = This one took me by surprise. I expected to love the opportunity to upgrade my weapons at the bazaar, but it turns out that collecting all kinds of random shit is a less exciting way to obtain upgrades than (a) winning mini-games, (b) completing sidequests, or (c) locating secret areas.
Im also frustrated that the game so often cuts to the menu when you pick up treasure. Nintendo has to keep those updates on the screen so I can keep playing.
2. Controls = This was the first Zelda game I ever played where the controls were an issue. Even the basic way of using an item B to set and A to use was awkward. I accidentally canceled or re-equipped an item many times during the game.
The motion controls were more a minus than a plus in this game. There were a few fun uses of motion (arrows, skydiving, beetle), but there were a whole lot more bad ones (swimming, keys, bombs, etc.). I guess my sense is that the added burdens of these motion controls (slower and less precise in some inputs) did not pay off in a markedly more entertaining way of interacting with the world.
3. Story = Zelda games rarely have good stories, but this one was particularly dull. (full game spoilers)
Bad
1. Tutorial = Worse than TP. Nintendo seems to have reached a point where they will not trust me to figure anything out on my own. In OoT, the "tutorial" NPCs mostly did nothing until you interacted with them. You could make it to the Deku tree in a couple of minutes. In SS, you click through endless text boxes as the game spoon feeds you each action. It's a monumental pain - and just as with Twilight Princess, it's going to keep me from ever wanting to replay the game.
2. Fi = I sat through nearly two hours of tutorial, and just when I thought it was over this robo-spirit guide dropped down and determined never to let me walk five steps without recapitulating information that was already clear from the circumstances or another NPC's speech. My perception may be skewed by decades of Zelda-playing, but I would estimate that Fi spoiled 75% of the games puzzles. Unsolicited. The craziest part is that Nintendo included multiple hint systems for beginners to use if necessary. Shouldnt that free the rest of us to figure out on our own that (mid-game spoiler)
Overall
This was the worst console Zelda since Adventure of Link. I dont want to minimize the good aspects of Skyward Sword (its still Zelda after all), but with five years between console games even a minor disappointment can be a pretty big bummer.
Good
1. Graphics = They found an attractive balance between TP and WW. I liked the bright colors and cartoony character designs. If it wasnt as charming as Wind Waker, well, it was still a direction I would accept for the series going forward.
I was less pleased by the comparative lack of variety in environments and enemy designs.
Fine
1. Music = It wasnt bad. I enjoyed the live instruments and some of the dungeon tracks, but I was disappointed that there wasnt a single catchy tune. And (end game spoiler)
whose decision was it not to play the triforce theme when the triforce appeared?
2. Dungeons = I liked most of the dungeons, but I cant remember more than a handful of rooms or puzzles. Among the 3D Zeldas, Id rate them above Wind Wakers but below OoT and TP, so probably right around MMs level.
3. Sidequests = Whats in the game was pretty good. Batreaux was one of the more likeable characters. The problem is that Majoras Mask was a decade ago, and while other games in the adventure and RPG genres have pushed ahead, Zelda has stagnated. SS didnt even have multi-stage quests like a trading sequence or WWs pictograph quest.
Mixed
1. Items = I think Nintendo did a good job of keeping the items in use throughout the game. A few of the bosses (though not nearly enough) were even susceptible to multiple items. But I do have a few complaints. (item spoilers)
First, why the fuck do I have a slingshot and a bow again? Second, the whip and gust jar each have limited uses that can barely be justify them as dungeon items Third, the clawshot was underutilized in combat.
But the beetle was sweet.
But the beetle was sweet.
2. Combat = It was neat at first to wave Link's sword around and use an arm motion for the angle of attack, but the end result actually felt more limited than Twilight Princess's move set. There, I could still select my basic attacks (thrust, horizontal swipe, vertical slash, jump attack, etc.) plus use a lot of special inputs and contextual cues for a more engaging version of the same, light combat style we'd had since OoT. SS is a little more original, but also a little less precise. Maybe I would have felt better about the combat if more boss fights had taken advantage of deflections, angled skyward strikes, etc.
3. Overworld = First the good points. Im glad Nintendo decided to experiment with the overworld structure. I was impressed by how they managed to layer the forest environment, and Nintendo was smart to add more warp points for this one.
But this was not the right direction for the series going forward. The overworld was so linear and disconnected that backtracking felt like more of a chore than a pleasure. Making the overworld more dungeon-like may have seemed like a good idea, but it turns out that the distinction between overworld and dungeons was an important one it gave the player a mental break and invited different kinds of exploration and NPC interaction. I suspect the relationship between the regions was also partially at fault. Ideally, accessing a new area is like the point in Majoras Mask when you get Epona and race south to jump the fence to the beach. Its seamless. In Skyward Sword that same action involves warping to the sky, flying for a few minutes, and crash landing next to an area thats highlighted on the map. The differences may be largely cosmetic, but the two feel worlds apart.
Flying was only fun when you were close to islands or you were skydiving. Otherwise it was less compelling than riding Epona or the King of Red Lions.
I hope future Zeldas return to the standard overworld structure but compress it and add more NPCs - friendly and hostile - with whom you can interact.
Bad
1. Upgrades = This one took me by surprise. I expected to love the opportunity to upgrade my weapons at the bazaar, but it turns out that collecting all kinds of random shit is a less exciting way to obtain upgrades than (a) winning mini-games, (b) completing sidequests, or (c) locating secret areas.
Im also frustrated that the game so often cuts to the menu when you pick up treasure. Nintendo has to keep those updates on the screen so I can keep playing.
2. Controls = This was the first Zelda game I ever played where the controls were an issue. Even the basic way of using an item B to set and A to use was awkward. I accidentally canceled or re-equipped an item many times during the game.
The motion controls were more a minus than a plus in this game. There were a few fun uses of motion (arrows, skydiving, beetle), but there were a whole lot more bad ones (swimming, keys, bombs, etc.). I guess my sense is that the added burdens of these motion controls (slower and less precise in some inputs) did not pay off in a markedly more entertaining way of interacting with the world.
3. Story = Zelda games rarely have good stories, but this one was particularly dull. (full game spoilers)
For the first eight hours it would have been better to follow Zelda than Link. Ghirahim looked like someone had antiqued Prince, and his campy dialogue couldnt spice up uninteresting motives and actions. The Imprisoned was more silly than threatening. Fi was probably the worst character in a Nintendo game, and Im not sure why Nintendo thought I would care about what happened to her (or Impa) at the end. The structure was a mess too. By the time the water dragon asked me to fetch some tadtones for her, the game was beginning to resemble a Bavarian cream pie joke. Every single element returned three times. No matter how stupid.
Bad
1. Tutorial = Worse than TP. Nintendo seems to have reached a point where they will not trust me to figure anything out on my own. In OoT, the "tutorial" NPCs mostly did nothing until you interacted with them. You could make it to the Deku tree in a couple of minutes. In SS, you click through endless text boxes as the game spoon feeds you each action. It's a monumental pain - and just as with Twilight Princess, it's going to keep me from ever wanting to replay the game.
2. Fi = I sat through nearly two hours of tutorial, and just when I thought it was over this robo-spirit guide dropped down and determined never to let me walk five steps without recapitulating information that was already clear from the circumstances or another NPC's speech. My perception may be skewed by decades of Zelda-playing, but I would estimate that Fi spoiled 75% of the games puzzles. Unsolicited. The craziest part is that Nintendo included multiple hint systems for beginners to use if necessary. Shouldnt that free the rest of us to figure out on our own that (mid-game spoiler)
the generator key sequence might be related to the geographical positions of the sub-generators? If I were assigning a point value to SS, Fi would have taken off a whole point.
Overall
This was the worst console Zelda since Adventure of Link. I dont want to minimize the good aspects of Skyward Sword (its still Zelda after all), but with five years between console games even a minor disappointment can be a pretty big bummer.
also volume on the wiimote effects battery duration (i always try to turn mine off). The wiimote speaker is too awful for use.
ShockingAlberto
Member
If I miss something and need to turn around, I just hit Z and back up like a bus
Oh, really? Shit, I didn't even know you can turn the speaker on the Wiimote off. Ffffff. Thanks.
BertramCooper
Banned
Remember, Zelda fans hate Zelda.
DING DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
edit: Can't believe I got banned for this post, yet butter_stick tells me to fuck off in this post and has absolutely nothing done to him.
I wasn't responding to that long post above, simply agreeing with a TRUTHFUL statement that people like to complain.
And amir0x, the irony of YOU of all people calling anyone out on how they respond to "honest opinions" is delicious.
someone writes up a long and extremely engaging dissection of a game he has played and the response is 'people like to complain a lot' and 'DING DING DING, u r so rite what a complainer'
jesus do you people hear yourselves? this is his honest, well layered opinion that is EXTREMELY well supported by his experience and his post. That is NOT whining.
jesus do you people hear yourselves? this is his honest, well layered opinion that is EXTREMELY well supported by his experience and his post. That is NOT whining.
I'm one of the audible haters of Twilight Princess.
I started playing SS yesterday (on my brother's Wii) and holy shit am I enjoying this game. I'm halfway through the second dungeon and I am considering buying my own Wii and a copy of the game so I can continue playing when I head back to my apartment.
edit: I read the non-spoilered sections of decoyplatypus' post and find that I agree with most of it. Somehow, though, this game just feels good to me. Leaving the extended tutorial in SS I felt like I was beginning an adventure and not being forced to listen to a dirge (like I felt in TP)
I started playing SS yesterday (on my brother's Wii) and holy shit am I enjoying this game. I'm halfway through the second dungeon and I am considering buying my own Wii and a copy of the game so I can continue playing when I head back to my apartment.
edit: I read the non-spoilered sections of decoyplatypus' post and find that I agree with most of it. Somehow, though, this game just feels good to me. Leaving the extended tutorial in SS I felt like I was beginning an adventure and not being forced to listen to a dirge (like I felt in TP)
Using the stick to turn around works fine. Press backwards and press Z. Viola, you've turned around. Swimming is fine.
All three of you can GTFO if you have nothing actually worthwhile to contribute. Bye.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I am not sure anyone likes to complain, but it is often easier to explain why you dislike something than why you do.
Not to say he did like it and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but as a general rule, things often come off more negative than one would like them to be because those things are easier to articulate.
Not to say he did like it and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but as a general rule, things often come off more negative than one would like them to be because those things are easier to articulate.
Agreed with your post until I read this.
Zelda II is amazing, and from reading your post, it sounds exactly like the Zelda game you want to play :lol
The swimming feels like it's meant to be fast paced, it's just begging for a quick 180 spin on top of the spin attack. It's not hard to turn around, but it puts you at a complete deadstop, and if you need to turn something that is more to your side, you have to slowly turn and Z target a few times to line it up.
Oh, and having the input for the quick spin being to move the wiimote and the nunchuck, when the wiimote is what's actually directing link, is extremely awkward. It's another case Nintendo could have just provided options to please everybody, but decided to force everyone to use the less optimal wiimote aiming to direct link underwater.
Yeah, I feel like most of my posts in here are negative, but I really do enjoy the game. It's frustrating that all of the issues I have are all EASILY remedied.
just curious, what did everyone set their hud to? i have this suspicion that fi ruining puzzles might be related to the hud settings but i'm not sure. i've had it set to pro since the start and she hasn't bothered me for the majority of the game. and i mean, not in the third or fourth dungeons at all which some people have had this happen.
it's really weird. i wonder why it's happening for some people, but not for me.
it's really weird. i wonder why it's happening for some people, but not for me.
ViewtifulJC
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DavidDayton
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BertramCooper
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snesfreak
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I believe we call this a...
*puts on shades*
DUCKROLL
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHoh god please don't ban me
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BertramCooper
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snesfreak
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I believe we call this a...
*puts on shades*
DUCKROLL
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHoh god please don't ban me
ShockingAlberto
Member
Pro and she doesn't really bother me. Most of the times I'm annoyed by her are scripted, non-puzzle interruptions.
i set it to pro almost immediately. fuck the beginner hud is one of the worst designed things in world history. she bothered me all the fucking time. nag nag nag fucking nag
All three of you can GTFO if you have nothing actually worthwhile to contribute. Bye.
brofist
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I've got it on pro as well. Fourth dungeon and the only time Fi has ruined anything for me was the pre-dungeon 3 puzzle with the
rotating clock hands thing
Just realised that you have to talk to the save statues to activate them on the map... Wish i figured this out earlier lol.
Anyway, just entered the 3rd dungeon. Havent started it yet. But now I realise how Fi can ruin puzzles (how to enter 3rd dungeon). First time it's happened though so she hasn't been a bother to me apart from that.
The music is this game has consistantly been brilliant.
Anyway, just entered the 3rd dungeon. Havent started it yet. But now I realise how Fi can ruin puzzles (how to enter 3rd dungeon). First time it's happened though so she hasn't been a bother to me apart from that.
The music is this game has consistantly been brilliant.
EmCeeGramr
Member
You just shake the Nunchuk, not the Wiimote too.
Pro all the way and as I said earlier Fi never ruined a puzzle for me. She doesn't say anything useful enough to ruin any puzzle. She only ever told me what I already knew/figured out before she spoke.
i disagree. i have written a long and fairly critical post about ss in this thread too, but i have written just as passionately and in as much detail about the games i love. there's no logical reason to assume that someone should only be capable of the former.