The N-Word Controversy: Comedian Tim Allen Questions Why He Can't Say N*****

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Why do white people want to say it anyway?
Its a cool word. You turn on the radio or you go out at night and there's a good chance you'll hear it or a poorly censored version of it coming out the speakers. remember when people used to be like homeey whats up. Now its like whats up nigga~

You wanna eat at the big kids table you better be prepared to carry that weight
 
Question for white people yearning for N-word usage, have you never heard a non-black person use it (perhaps in front of black people) without incident?
 
Agree 100%. Simply telling people "Don't say _________ because it's offensive" has stood the test of time as a terrible method of getting people to stop using words you don't want them to use. Hasn't worked for 100s of years and will continue to not work. That people can't seem to come up with any other method baffles to me.

You mean folks do the same thing over and over and expect a different result? ; D
 
that paula deen n-word controversy happened on 86?
and she's getting fired now because of it?
wow

As someone who lives in Savannah and knows people who have worked with her, I can tell you that she's still pretty fucking terrible. A bit of that "you're one of the good ones" as she precedes to make racist remarks about your fellow employees kind of thing.

Nope, she's not a very good person.
 
I find it interesting that some of the defense for Caucasians never saying the word reinforces the stereotypical violent nature of Black people. In other words, the worst thing that can happen if you say it is that someone of color will hurt you for saying it in their presence. (Jubal Early) "That seem right to you?"
 
lol, no.

I think you may have missed an earlier post that would have saved you much excitement.



The bolded statement is not true and you have already had that explained to you.

You should stop lying.

Your explanation was not sufficient. No matter how much you want it to be a term of endearment from you, it's not.

You calling a black person a nigga will still be viewed by quite a few people as a racial slur. So you saying it was used as a term of endearment doesn't erase the history of the word coming when used by white people.
 
As someone who lives in Savannah and knows people who have worked with her, she's still pretty fucking terrible. A bit of that "you're one of the good ones" as she precedes to make racist remarks about your fellow employees kind of thing.

Nope, she's not a very good person.

But I declare. She only used that n-word once, after she was robbed by a dirty n-word. You know. Experiences change people. She didn't mean any harm, and anyone who is without sin, they should just pick up the first stone and...I forget, did she say to actually throw it at her, or did she break off into another tangent?
 
I'm going to say this - personally, I don't give a shit. I really, really don't. My best friend in HS (who was not black) would occasionally greet me with "what's up, my nigga?" That doesn't mean that other people won't be offended by it, and for valid reasons. You are probably better off not trying to explain or argue your way into saying it. Won't work.
 
Racism is the belief that people of a given race are inherently inferior.
Single words are always context-sensitive. A single word cannot in-and-of-itself express racist beliefs or intent from the speaker. People who freak out about any given single word regardless of context are either not using their brains or don't understand how language works.
 
Question for white people yearning for N-word usage, have you never heard a non-black person use it (perhaps in front of black people) without incident?
Where I grew up, everybody used "nigga". Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, it didn't matter. I personally never had a problem with black people when it came to using it, but I'm also half-Mexican so maybe that's why.

Personally, I try to use "nigga" a lot less since then, but it still slips out when I'm with old friends. I guess it's just a product of our environment.
 
I think either everyone should be allowed to say it, or no one. Ya hear me, rappers?

Makes no sense. I would be offended by anyone calling my mom a bitch but may just happen to call her a bitch. People always act like these rules don't exist. We still live by them. I can't call a lot of your friends and family names you use day in and day out. This shit isn't new.

Edit: Why do we care so much about Paula Deen? Keep reinforcing the terrible stereotype that any white woman's problems are bigger than others. She said some bad shit and got fired? Big whup. Shit happens all the time.
 
I find it interesting that some of the defense for Caucasians never saying the word reinforces the stereotypical violent nature of Black people. In other words, the worst thing that can happen if you say it is that someone of color will hurt you for saying it in their presence. (Jubal Early) "That seem right to you?"

yeah but now you're sitting under the "violent tendencies stereotype" umbrella, where who else but the black male gets the "stereotypically violent nature" treatment if they're directly harassed or aggravated and passionately react in defending their honor. But of course "the blacks have always been like that". See how deep it goes?

You can't even properly erect a frame without using wood warped by racism.
 
Your explanation was not sufficient. No matter how much you want it to be a term of endearment from you, it's not.

You calling a black person a nigga will still be viewed by quite a few people as a racial slur. So you saying it was used as a term of endearment doesn't erase the history of the word coming when used by white people.

FFS, I do not use it as a term of endearment. When it is said to me (as a term of endearment), I say it back, facetiously.

If you were as good at reading as you are at being offended, that would be clear.

BTW, you keep telling me things I know.
 
A word with so much weight and they can't carry it.

Meanwhile we play hacky sack with the shit.

I need don't even need to know why they wanna say it. Just knowing that it bothers them is enough to feed my soul.
 
FFS, I do not use it as a term of endearment. When it is said to me (as a term of endearment), I say it back, facetiously.

If you were as good at reading as you are at being offended, that would be clear.

BTW, you keep telling me things I know.

When did you say you used it facetiously and how is that better? You're still calling black people nigga.

I am not offended and I can read perfectly fine.
 
Not sure if anyone listens to Adam Carolla's daily podcast, but today's episode had a good, if short discussion on the whole Paula Deen controversy. It's brought up by John Salley (retired NBA player), who questions why white people are so pissed off at her, and notes that black people haven't given a shit about the entire thing.
 
Not sure if anyone listens to Adam Carolla's daily podcast, but today's episode had a good, if short discussion on the whole Paula Deen controversy. It's brought up by John Salley (retired NBA player), who questions why white people are so pissed off at her, and notes that black people haven't given a shit about the entire thing.

What black people have they been talking to?
 
Not sure if anyone listens to Adam Carolla's daily podcast, but today's episode had a good, if short discussion on the whole Paula Deen controversy. It's brought up by John Salley (retired NBA player), who questions why white people are so pissed off at her, and notes that black people haven't given a shit about the entire thing.

ugh I hate just thinking about what Adam had to say, dude is incredibly ignorant.

On the BCT podcast we talked about how it was momentarily offensive, funny and somewhat expected, but that was the opinion of a couple of people, it's generally poor form to try and speak for millions of people without your tongue in your cheek.
 
When did you say you used it facetiously and how is that better? You're still calling black people nigga.

I am not offended and I can read perfectly fine.

No, you can not.

If you can't understand the implied facetiousness of my first comment, then I suppose that's what emoticons are for.

:p
 
That term is racist, and I'm pretty sure you're using it because you have poor reading comprehension and didn't understand what I posted.

I don't want to be that guy, but thinking "white privilege" is racist is probably the epitome of white privilege.

As for the topic in general, here's my two cents:

Black people aren't a hive mind. There are differing views among black people about nigger and its derivatives. Don't think that just because your black friends let you say "nigga" every other black person is wrong to feel offended. On the other hand, don't think that because some would rather nigger be erased from the dictionary, everyone else feels the same. Generalizing is one of several things you should avoid doing when discussing race issues.

Next, for those who adamantly want to use nigger but don't know why they "can't", ask yourself this: who are you asking? You aren't asking white people, an anecdote earlier in this thread showed a great example of that. Obviously, you're asking black people. Now, because "we don't mean nigger racially" is the go-to defense in saying nigger, why make it a racial issue from the get-go? Easy. You know nigger is offensive to many people.

So why do you want to say something so much when you know it could offend someone? Because black people get to say it and they aren't offending anyone? Once again, generalizing is a no-no, it isn't difficult to find black people who are uncomfortable when anyone uses nigger, even if the user is also black. But what about those black people who are only okay with nigger when other black people use it? Well it goes back to how nigger and "I don't mean it racially" are just about mutually exclusive. Take this scenario:

Say you're white and you walk up to a black person you don't know and say "Wassup my nigga?" Now you use it just the right way that, to you, it seems almost impossible to take it any other way but synonymous with "Wassup bro?"

Put yourself in his shoes: a stranger walked up to you and called you a nigga. Now, this person knows absolutely nothing about you other than what you look like. One of the more noticeable qualities about you is that, well, you're black. While it is apparent that he is trying to use the term colloquially, here's something that may bother you: because nigger is a racially loaded term, it is also apparent that he is calling you by your race. You don't know if he also calls his non-black friends niggas, and even if he did the terms relationship with black people specifically is what's bothersome, not necessarily the term itself. You feel you were called a derogatory term, even if he meant it "nicely".

You see, the reason why many black people don't get offended when nigger is used, as long as it is used by other black people, is because there is no latent suspicion they mean it in a derogatory way. When a black person walks up to a stranger who's also black and says "wassup my nigga?" he may not feel that the person is singling out his race because, well, he's also black. You're less likely to expect a racial motivation in an intraracial relation than an interracial one. Well, at least when nigger is involved.

These are just my thoughts. Once again, be careful not to generalize as I can only really give one outlook on a complicated and multifaceted issue. But a general rule of thumb is just don't say nigger.

You really aren't missing much.
 
Racism is the belief that people of a given race are inherently inferior.
Single words are always context-sensitive. A single word cannot in-and-of-itself express racist beliefs or intent from the speaker. People who freak out about any given single word regardless of context are either not using their brains or don't understand how language works.

There's more to the contextual meaning of a word besides the sentence surrounding that word. There's also the societal and historical context of a word.
 
Kind of unrelated but all that Paula Deen controversy was because she said n-word in 1986 and thats what she admitted?

Lmao pretty damn stupid.

No.

She was being investigated by the NAACP under accusations of systematic discrimination against her black employees over a span of many years. She didn't "just say the N word". I swear, people can't even google shit anymore.
 
cause of racism you stupid fuck

Edit : Just to clarify, this is directed at Tim Allen, haha.
 
No.

She was being investigated by the NAACP under accusations of systematic discrimination against her black employees over a span of many years. She didn't "just say the N word". I swear, people can't even google shit anymore.

Blame the media that made it seem like that's all she did wrong.
 
Nigger is fine in jokes if it isn't in a hateful context, but why would a white dude need to use it in their normal routine? Its a word thats gonna piss people off, and frankly youre trying to start shit if you use it at people.
 
When I was an older teen there was a fad of white kids using the word nigger to refer to anything they thought was bad or stupid or fucked up. So if someone told them something or did something they didn't like, they were a 'nigger'. Or if door was stuck or a box was hard to open, the door was 'being a nigger', a car that wouldn't start was 'being a nigger'. Some of you may have encountered it. Some of you probably did it.

It was a display of sheltered ignorance and entitlement and disdain that I didn't see often. A personal freedom to use that word to describe everything negative in the world, and they didn't understand the origin or the irony. They certainly don't give a damn about the true misery. I wish I could impart it onto you so you could understand. But words fail.

Im familiar with the word being used that way. Some of the white kids I grew up around used "nigger" and "Jew" interchangeably to refer to something cheap or undesirable.
I feel bad for mixed black Jews, youre part of two of the three groups (blacks, jews, and gays) that get the most verbal abuse from degenerate little shits. Ive never been called a "nigger" (, "nigger" with the full pronunciation) by another black person, that words been used toward me by just one racial demographic.
 
Really dislike it when people try and twist this argument to make it seem like they are some sort of victim of censorship.

Louis CK has nigger jokes. So does Sarah Silverman. Fuck is Tim Allen talking about?
 
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