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Spectral Glider said:
The point is still that he led us to one TD drive in the 3rd and to the 4 yard line for the beginning of the fourth. How could Maddox have done better then that? Like I said, even with Tommy Gun we still would have ran the ball on the goal line and the Patriots seemed to have our number all day when we needed to get a running play they were all over it. Maybe that was the right coaching move, but Tommy looked so horrid all year. I just don't see how he turns that around in this game.
Dude and for why they looked lost, that is what I was talking about. It seemed like the Pats had an answer for everything in the first half. That first INT, that was pure garbage by Ben and a missed catch by Randle El (though it was such a bad throw it is 100% on Ben). However, on the next drive we couldn't even get 2 feet on 4th down when all year no one came class to stopping us in those situations. Then they have that huge pass play drawn up. To me that just shows how much better their gameplan was then ours. Was there anything we did that the Pats had no answer for? I mean what the hell did Cowher and the boys come up with that was supposed to take care of the Pats? To me I think they just thought we could run on them again like in the first game (I would have thought the same thing), but Belichick somehow came up with a way to stop our running attack cold. I think our players actually are close to their level, but Belichick is just on his game these days. And I don't even think Cowher is a bad coach, Belichick has made almost everyone look foolish these past couple of years.
I'll check espn, but why wont they have Chad Lewis?Bowser said:
fuck. found it
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1974310
haha, i was at the library today and was looking for a new book to read....lookie what i found:
Holley spent two seasons shadowing the Pats. It's really freakin' good so far.
Belichick was in many heated discussions with the DB coach about Milloy/Tebucky Jones. He felt Lawyer was just too slow.
he tells an assistant coach to go run and get the game film from "the bills game" to show the DB coach what he means.
"Which one, Bill?"
"Doesn't matter. There's more than enough bad shit in both of 'em"
:lol
Holley spent two seasons shadowing the Pats. It's really freakin' good so far.
Belichick was in many heated discussions with the DB coach about Milloy/Tebucky Jones. He felt Lawyer was just too slow.
he tells an assistant coach to go run and get the game film from "the bills game" to show the DB coach what he means.
"Which one, Bill?"
"Doesn't matter. There's more than enough bad shit in both of 'em"
:lol
Team Rancid
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You Pats haters will be happy to know they will have a tough season ahead next year with the losses of Charlie Weis AND Romeo Crennel. As brilliant as Billichick is, those 2 are a HUGE part of their success.
But with 3 rings in 4 years, we'll suck it up.
But with 3 rings in 4 years, we'll suck it up.
Spectral Glider
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bionic77 said:
We don't know that. For all we know Tommy scores on a pass from further out and they don't have to worry about 1st and goal from the 4. Or, for all we know, they line up and run a real pass play down there instead of a called fade from a single wideout formation. I've got to believe they would have more faith in a vet being able to make more than one obvious read. Or, for all we know at some point, Tommy throws another pick or gets sacked and fumbles. So you're then down by 28 instead of 21. But you never know unless you make an attempt at a change. As it turned out, they couldn't get out of the hole. What difference does it make if they lost by 6, 7, or 27? And don't tell me that Tommy can't hit Randle El on a 34 yard screen just as well as Ben.
It just seems strange to me that Cowher had no trouble pulling the plug on Stewart in the 4th quarter of the third game of the season in 2002 after Stewart had a pro-bowl year (which was the right move by the way), but here in a huge championship game the same thing doesn't happen. I don't think it adds up. I think Cowher fell in love with all the Big Ben hysteria. Don't get me wrong, I know Ben has a HUGE future ahead of him. But between last week and this, he did too much to hurt the team.
Ninja Scooter
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Chad Lewis (Eagles TE) broke his foot on that last TD catch to ice the game?
Spectral Glider said:
He lost his faith in Kordell that year just like he has lost his faith in Tommy. I am sure if they had someone he had more faith in he might have pulled the plug even eariler then the third quarter. The one benefit of putting Tommy in there is that he has a totally different game then Ben and New England may not have handled it, but like I said I just don't see how he could have done any better in the 3rd quarter. If you had said from the beginning of the game I might have agreed, but generally most guys stick with who got them there. Its all Monday morning QB anyways. I wish we weren't so conservative in the big games though. Belichick loves to get out in front by doing the unexpected in the biggest game and that strategy has gotten him 2 rings, maybe 3 in 2 more weeks.
You are right about Cowher falling in love with the Ben hysteria, but just remember that Ben seemed to make all the big plays when he had to. He led them to 5 or 6 fourth quarter comebacks during the year, that kind of shit gives your coach confidence in you.
I just hope that Ben doesn't fold like Kordell did under adversity. I really doubt he will, but we have seen some promising Pittsburgh qb's who were never the same after their first year. Kordell looked like Vick for his first year. Tommy looked great his first year. They were never the same after that though, I really hope it doesn't happen to Ben though.
Hope Tommy sticks around next year as a backup. If not Tommy, then we need to get another experienced QB in who is willing to be a backup and will do all he can to make sure Ben can be as good as possible. I figure it ususally take a qb 3 years to be able to understand a offense and learn to read the defense properly. Hopefully Ben can get it down in his second year.
Ninja Scooter
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DarienA said:
if by "Interesting" you mean the Patriots are gonna kick the Eagles asses, then you might be right. **sigh** i just hope this SuperBowl is at least somewhat competitive after the 2 stinker Championship games.
Spectral Glider
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At this point, it's hard to see the Eagles winning this game. But I do think being big underdogs is going to help them. The problem is if they get that just happy to be there feeling after three years of frustration. McNabb will have to be flawless.
Ninja Scooter
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the Pats just shutdown the best offense in the league, then proceeded to drop 41 on the best defense in football. I hate them, but they are the real deal. I can't see the Eagles sticking with them unless they play PERFECT.
If the Eagles want to win they have to do it by doing what no one else has done against the Pats, they have to OUTCOACH Belichick.
The Eagles have the talent to make it into a game and even win it, but if the Pats come out and blow them up in the first quarter like they do with most teams it will be over. Andy Reid needs to do the unexpected and somehow anticipate what the Pats will do (pretty much do a Belichick).
The one thing I like for the Eagles is McNabb can sometimes turn something out of nothing, but he really has to be careful and not be baited into the INT by the Pats early. No one does this better than the Pats.
I have a lot of faith in McNabb, I knew he would be a superstar from his first year (even if Philly fans didn't always have that faith). I just don't know if Philly's coaching staff is up to the task.
Hopefully they are and bring it back to PA this year.
The Eagles have the talent to make it into a game and even win it, but if the Pats come out and blow them up in the first quarter like they do with most teams it will be over. Andy Reid needs to do the unexpected and somehow anticipate what the Pats will do (pretty much do a Belichick).
The one thing I like for the Eagles is McNabb can sometimes turn something out of nothing, but he really has to be careful and not be baited into the INT by the Pats early. No one does this better than the Pats.
I have a lot of faith in McNabb, I knew he would be a superstar from his first year (even if Philly fans didn't always have that faith). I just don't know if Philly's coaching staff is up to the task.
Hopefully they are and bring it back to PA this year.
Ninja Scooter
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TheDuce22 said:
for one, the Panthers D last year was much better than yours, and the Pats this year might even be BETTER than last. And if you really "are/were" better than Carolina, why did they kick the everloving shit out of Philly in the NFC title game last year? Eagles got to the SB by beating up on inferior competition this year.
"GIVE ME SOME RESPECT RIGHT NOW!!"
2003 Carolina points allowed - 19.0 sacks - 40 takeaways - 26
Philadelphia points allowed - 16.2 sacks - 47 takeaways - 28
And thats with us taking the last 3 weeks off. I just picked out the things that last years carolina defense was known for. Our rush defense is also better than theirs was since trotter became the starter.
The loss of westbrook hurt us, our entire defensive line was out with injury and the cheapshot on mcnabb sealed the deal. The score was 14-3 btw.
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Malleymal said:
*one single clap*
Naw, I actually liked the joke more than that.
soulja224466
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Team Rancid said:You Pats haters will be happy to know they will have a tough season ahead next year with the losses of Charlie Weis AND Romeo Crennel. As brilliant as Billichick is, those 2 are a HUGE part of their success.
But with 3 rings in 4 years, we'll suck it up.
3 rings in 4 years? you aint won the shit yet, keep disrespecting the eagles.
Can someone please explain to me how the Falcons went from a dominating run team, #1 in the nfl, with one of the best defenses in the league to just another crappy nfc team that the eagles shouldve beaten anyway. Why cant these morons on tv at least stay consistant. How can they also still claim that our defense cannot stop the run. Its going to be a LONG 2 weeks. Please god let the patriots sit back in coverage and give Mcnabb all day to throw like they did Rothlesburger.
Fixed2BeBroken
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TheDuce22 said:
oh god, just shut up
TheDuce22 said:
...yet a few posts up you say injuries haven't hurt the eagles? stick with one story.
and shut the fuck up about your "cheap shot" already. what about 2001 when your Eagles cheapshotted Jim Miller out of the game? A legal hit, yes. But a cheap hit? yes. So you and any other Eagles fans that mention any kind of cheap shot against your team can blow me.
:lol :lol :lol :lol you're a funny guy. do you even watch football outside of Philly?
But hey, I'm sure Belichick will just give McNabb all day to throw. I mean, he did the same thing for Manning, right? And hey, it's not like the Colts offense is better than the Eagles or anything like that.
Injuries have not hurt us this year. Whats your point?
I dont think he will do it (unless he is dumb) thats why my statement was in the form of a prayer. Either way, eagles are a complete team offensively and defensively, just like the pats. Considering most of you picked both the vikings and falcons to beat the eagles forgive me if i dont bow down to your knowledge of football. The fact that your so bitter about it makes it that much sweeter. Most of you do nothing more than jump on whatever bandwagon is biggest that week.
What the hell happened when they missed the playoffs. He is probably the best coach around but he isnt out on the field making plays. He is not unbeatable. He gets way to much credit for the great play of the guys on that team. It comes down to how we match up with them, and I honestly dont know. I do know that AFC teams have given us alot of trouble over the past 4 years and great QB's who have the ability to look off defenders hurt us even worse, some of the few blowouts we have allowed over that span. On offense, the good Mcnabb is unstoppable and i cant see him being denied a championship, TO or no TO. If the bad Mcnabb shows up we lose big.
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i don't know if i would agree that the panthers defense was better than the eagles last year. run defense for sure. but the panthers pass defense last year was VERY shakey unless they were playing against creampuff receivers (like the eagles). the panthers pass defense really let them down in the superbowl and couldn't make key stops when they needed to (especially on the last pats drive on that long yardage situation they gave up a huge gain).
i have to say i was impressed by the eagles D on sunday for the first time. hollis thomas is a fucking load in the middle. if he is healthy for the game i can't really see the pats getting any kind of consistent running up the middle. and i can't see the pats getting much on the edges either because the eagles D is likely the fastest (arguably with pittsburgh obviously) that the pats will have faced this post season.
the one place i do feel the pats can attack the eagles with success is by passing the ball deep. if there is one thing the eagles do, it's give you opportunities down the field for huge plays. the key is can the pats pick up the blitz and can they recognize where the hot route is.
even though i talk a lot of shit on the pats they are no doubt the best team in the nfl this year. i don't know what kind of voodoo magic they're using, but somehow they always manage to pull out wins. their receivers seem to ALWAYS get open for brady, their blocking is superb considering the kind of pressure brought against them, and their running game is pretty dangerous to boot. all of that on top of a defense that usually confuses the shit out of most opponents.
but with all that said, with all the wins and streaks in the playoffs and mastermind and dynasty talk, i can't see the pats winning this one. call it the hopeless romantic in me, but philly is going to win this game. it is not a case of the philly D vs. the pats O, it is the other way around. i feel like philly is going to exploit the new england D.
i know what you are saying "YOU MUS BE STUPDER THEN YOU LOOK BOY! DONT YOU GET IT!? AKEKE PATS STOPPED THE #1 PASS OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE AND SHUTDOWN A TOP 5 RUNNING GAME AGAINST THE STEELERS! YOU LOSE!" but i dont see it that way. that is like saying "well, the patriots beat the colts, but they lost to the dolphins. therefore the dolphins offense is better than the colts!!" i just see philly matching up VERY well against that new england defense. mcnabb has been a true leader this year, and he has made some plays that would make vick cheesers in madden online blush. i just have to believe somehow someway that mcnabb is going to have the game of his life and pull out the win. remember, for all this talk that belicheck is a genius, andy reid isn't too bad himself. he is literally 10-15 plays away from having made the superbowl 4 years in a row, and that can't be too bad.
p.s. even though i bad mouthed T.O. after he left, i am rooting for him. GO T.O. GO! SHOW THAT SCUMBAG SALSBURY WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!
i have to say i was impressed by the eagles D on sunday for the first time. hollis thomas is a fucking load in the middle. if he is healthy for the game i can't really see the pats getting any kind of consistent running up the middle. and i can't see the pats getting much on the edges either because the eagles D is likely the fastest (arguably with pittsburgh obviously) that the pats will have faced this post season.
the one place i do feel the pats can attack the eagles with success is by passing the ball deep. if there is one thing the eagles do, it's give you opportunities down the field for huge plays. the key is can the pats pick up the blitz and can they recognize where the hot route is.
even though i talk a lot of shit on the pats they are no doubt the best team in the nfl this year. i don't know what kind of voodoo magic they're using, but somehow they always manage to pull out wins. their receivers seem to ALWAYS get open for brady, their blocking is superb considering the kind of pressure brought against them, and their running game is pretty dangerous to boot. all of that on top of a defense that usually confuses the shit out of most opponents.
but with all that said, with all the wins and streaks in the playoffs and mastermind and dynasty talk, i can't see the pats winning this one. call it the hopeless romantic in me, but philly is going to win this game. it is not a case of the philly D vs. the pats O, it is the other way around. i feel like philly is going to exploit the new england D.
i know what you are saying "YOU MUS BE STUPDER THEN YOU LOOK BOY! DONT YOU GET IT!? AKEKE PATS STOPPED THE #1 PASS OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE AND SHUTDOWN A TOP 5 RUNNING GAME AGAINST THE STEELERS! YOU LOSE!" but i dont see it that way. that is like saying "well, the patriots beat the colts, but they lost to the dolphins. therefore the dolphins offense is better than the colts!!" i just see philly matching up VERY well against that new england defense. mcnabb has been a true leader this year, and he has made some plays that would make vick cheesers in madden online blush. i just have to believe somehow someway that mcnabb is going to have the game of his life and pull out the win. remember, for all this talk that belicheck is a genius, andy reid isn't too bad himself. he is literally 10-15 plays away from having made the superbowl 4 years in a row, and that can't be too bad.
p.s. even though i bad mouthed T.O. after he left, i am rooting for him. GO T.O. GO! SHOW THAT SCUMBAG SALSBURY WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!
the bengals' undefeated title run for next year is already beginning!
ok, no it's not. I'm just trying to be optimistic since this is the shittiest superbowl ever. at least last year I could root for Carolina against the patriots. this year, well... I guess I still have to go with the eagles, only because I like chunky soup.
ok, no it's not. I'm just trying to be optimistic since this is the shittiest superbowl ever. at least last year I could root for Carolina against the patriots. this year, well... I guess I still have to go with the eagles, only because I like chunky soup.
firex said:
I think I'm gonna have to put some money down to really have a rooting interest in this game, but to be honest that's usually the life of a Cardinals fan
lol :lol) at Super Bowl time who doesn't particularly hate any team (well, maybe the Cowboys, sometimes, though I feel bad for any team with Interceptaverde). I have the interest of my pick but unless I back that up with some cash (and currently NE is giving seven to the Eagles, exactly what I picked them to beat the Eagles by in the SB before the Conference Championships were played, go figure, I was even right on on the over/under, picking a 27-20 game and the number is 47.5 right now) I would be more than happy to see the Eagles and TO win and all the fucking annoying commentators eat shit.
TheDuce22 said:
Coach B is great at focusing on an opponents weakeness and exploiting the hell out of it... and Tom Brady showed how damn good he is at looking off secondary coverage men.
I hate having to wait for the damn SB... but it's shaping up to be one hell of a game... this is one of those years when you get little argument if you say yeah the two best teams really are meeting for the SB...
TheDuce22 said:
I was mostly picking against the Eagles because fans of the Eagles like you are ridiculously obnoxious, and the less I have to hear your schtick the better. Not that it really matters, because as soon as the Eagles lost/lose, you'll get damage control underway. "Cheapshot! Injuries! Cheating refs! That guy sneezed!" And if they by some miracle win in two weeks, we'll have to put up with your gloating for another season. You act as if the Eagles are some Cinderella, underdog story, and get no respect. They were in the last three NFC Championship games, and this year added a top 5 wide receiver, and one of the better (albeit injury-proned) defensive ends in the game. Hmmm... gee, I wonder how they'll do! They were high up in everybody's Power Rankings all season long. PS me picking a team over the Eagles doesn't mean I'm jumping on their bandwagon. My team got throttled (see me making excuses?) in the Wild Card round, and everyone thought that was the best thing ever. Did you see me crying? No. Did you see me saying "Well, time to pick my second team!" No. Being a big fan of a team is one thing (I've been a Packers fan for about 18 years... so don't talk to me about bandwagons), but being a cock is something else completely. The former isn't an excuse for the latter.
a Cardinals fan? jesus, I'm a bengals fan and even I feel like I have no idea how you stick with the team.AstroLad said:I think I'm gonna have to put some money down to really have a rooting interest in this game, but to be honest that's usually the life of a Cardinals fan
I have the interest of my pick but unless I back that up with some cash (and currently NE is giving seven to the Eagles, exactly what I picked them to beat the Eagles by in the SB before the Conference Championships were played, go figure, I was even right on on the over/under, picking a 27-20 game and the number is 47.5 right now) I would be more than happy to see the Eagles and TO win and all the fucking annoying commentators eat shit.
but yeah, if I had the spare cash and the objectivity to place a bet on the game, I'd do it so I could have a motivation to root for one team. I've said to my friends I won't watch the game, but god knows I will. I really don't like either team all that much (on the Eagles, I like Mcnabb and that's it. on the pats, I like Belichek and that's it) but I guess I'd rather see the Eagles win it just so all the "pats=dynasty" talk would stop.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Lambtron said:
:lol EXACTLY how i Feel....which is the Exact reason im actually rooting for the patriots (and I hate the Patriots)
i gotta qoute NOSS88 on this when he said something like "patriots vs eagles in the superbowl.....its the annoying fans vs the annoying fans"
peace
bishoptl said:
No shame in crying. He was upset because they lost another big game and a lot of players he loved to play with are leaving. That is kind of team you want to play for and the kind of team you want to watch.
I would rather see Ward crying then Burress bitching about how he is leaving because he doesn't get thrown enough balls.
Strange, now the Steelers are saying that Roethlisberger had a bum arm and broke some toes during the game against the Pats. We also find out afterwards that Pennington had a serious shoulder injury.
I don't know the extent of Big Ben's injury as they are being purposefully vague (hopefully it is not some BS shit to escape his poor play), but you really gotta wonder about those coaching decisions of putting in a QB who is not 100% for the biggest games of your life. Oh well, it is all Monday morning quarterback now.
I wonder how a healthy Maddox would have done? Who is the Jets backup? He might have had a better game as well.
I don't know the extent of Big Ben's injury as they are being purposefully vague (hopefully it is not some BS shit to escape his poor play), but you really gotta wonder about those coaching decisions of putting in a QB who is not 100% for the biggest games of your life. Oh well, it is all Monday morning quarterback now.
I wonder how a healthy Maddox would have done? Who is the Jets backup? He might have had a better game as well.
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