The Nostalgia Critic |OT| He Remembers It So You Don't Have To

Cheerilee said:
By "all of this" are you referring to Nostalgia Critic, or the current discussion?

Because I initially disliked NC, but I've been giving it some more chances, and I enjoyed Doug's VLogs, and I'm enjoying Disneycember, and even NC seems to be growing on me, although Nostalgia Chick still seems better (which isn't a slight against the Critic).

As for the current discussion, I think that Ani and Kal are on to something, although I don't think I find it as annoying as they do.
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You truly have to see some classics you laugh out loud and if you don't at those then you never like the NC really because it never got better then those.

Examples:
Cold as ice
Batman and Robin.
Goodburger
Moulain Rouge.

I think are one of the best.
 
firehawk12 said:
He quit and then came back when no one would watch his new show.
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Ahahaah, I remember that and I knew that he would be back doing the Nostalgia Critic, I just didn't think it would be so soon.

The "end" only lasted for a month if I recall correctly.

Eh not that it matters, I quit watching his show when it got Simpsons' syndrome.
 
I must admit NT is my guilty pleasure.

AniHawk said:
i don't know what rolfe did with the rob invasion thing, but more than have the critic 'character' as the center of the universe, there's a prolonged segment in which the critic is interacting with doug walker, making doug some sort of god character. it continues in the review must go on for a total of what, 30-35 minutes on this sort of thing? at that point it's not a sketch. it's longer than a standard episode of television.
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And yet this isn't something new.

He did similar things before (the Ma-Ti character being killed because the actual person is leaving, etc.). But that doesn't mean it goes outside the boundary of his sketches. Like I said, people are thinking too much about it, rather than seeing it as a show.

KalBalboa said:
Precisely. Heck, To Boldly Flee was three hours.

It's an intimate exploration of his material and his relationship with it. I doubt he'd argue against that, as the goal of those scenes was to convey to his audience why he wanted to end (and then resurrect) the Nostalgia Critic.
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To Boldly Flee was also shorter than his older anniversary skit. It's nothing new. You act as though this is something new.

And yes it was set up to end the show, but it didn't end. So what is the problem again?

KalBalboa said:
What is this "PSA thread" you keep referring to in your attacks on me? PlayStation All-Stars?

I'm criticising more than production value. I've specifically cited many recent works of Doug's and pointed out vanity issues he seems to carry (other posters on this very page agree with me and have cited other examples). I've also taken issue with his basic abilities as a writer in my posts. I think that he shouldn't bother with skits if he can't pull them off.

He could do better and I'd like to see him achieve that.

If you can't see what NC means to Doug after watching To Boldly Flee and claim "it's just a story," I'd ask you just why filmmakers like him tell stories in the first place. It was clearly a farewell and meant a great deal to him.
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May I suggest you watching his other specials? This isn't something new. And yes it was meant to be a farewell, but it didn't. So... what?

Yes Doug has had terrible episodes, a lot of people here agree on that and hell, the tail end before the "closure" has been subpar, but with the way you make your points, you sound like you're only basing his whole work through said terrible episodes. His writing is actually pretty good in his best episodes (stuff like The Last Airbender) and he is at his worst when he's merely given a title without any actual experience (like Sailor Moon).

What I don't agree is this ego thing since people are purely basing it on skits.
 
If there's one thing that Doug Walker is really good at it's going on way the fuck too long about something. His longer personal review videos (ie. the ones that aren't disneycemberish) are practically an ice age long. I don't think any of that shit was meant to be taken all that seriously at all.
 
National Treasure makes me feel american for some reason. lol I really like it, and still watch, and its music is just beautiful, the score was just amazing
 
I can't imagine watching another NC special longer than three hours with the writing and production quality I've seen... I like Doug, but that'd be a significant waste of time.

He'd be better at doing stronger 15 minute pieces then directionless 45-200 minute fodder.

Doggie, you never answered me- what "PSA thread" were you referring to again? The one where you claimed I was doing something that somehow invalidated my opinion on Nostalgia Critic?
 
Here's hoping for reviews of The Wicker Man and Deadfall. Those are Cage at his Cage-iest.
 
KalBalboa said:
I can't imagine watching another NC special longer than three hours with the writing and production quality I've seen... I like Doug, but that'd be a significant waste of time.

He'd be better at doing stronger 15 minute pieces then directionless 45-200 minute fodder.

Doggie, you never answered me- what "PSA thread" were you referring to again? The one where you claimed I was doing something that somehow invalidated my opinion on Nostalgia Critic?
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His 15 minute stuff is usually so full of weird and pointless equivocation that they come off as mushy. His long stuff does, too, but it's particularly wasteful in the short stuff. I remember when he first started doing non-in-character reviews seriously you could do a drinking game on the number of times he said "but that's just my opinion, you can have your own." I know I can, Doug, I don't need your permission thanks. He's since cut that down to shorter statements of wishy-washiness, but they're usually there every 3-4 sentences.

Really whenever Doug tries to do real review it becomes clear how little background he has in film as anything other than a comedy fanboy. He can articulate arguments about why comedy works or doesn't work, but when it comes to broader aspects of film or television he really doesn't have much to say and it shows.
 
maharg said:
His 15 minute stuff is usually so full of weird and pointless equivocation that they come off as mushy. His long stuff does, too, but it's particularly wasteful in the short stuff. I remember when he first started doing non-in-character reviews seriously you could do a drinking game on the number of times he said "but that's just my opinion, you can have your own." I know I can, Doug, I don't need your permission thanks. He's since cut that down to shorter statements of wishy-washiness, but they're usually there every 3-4 sentences.

Really whenever Doug tries to do real review it becomes clear how little background he has in film as anything other than a comedy fanboy. He can articulate arguments about why comedy works or doesn't work, but when it comes to broader aspects of film or television he really doesn't have much to say and it shows.
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True. He once broke down a Tom and Jerry gag really well into what made it work so well. It gave me a good idea on what he considered important and I found it to be insightful.
 
maharg said:
His 15 minute stuff is usually so full of weird and pointless equivocation that they come off as mushy. His long stuff does, too, but it's particularly wasteful in the short stuff. I remember when he first started doing non-in-character reviews seriously you could do a drinking game on the number of times he said "but that's just my opinion, you can have your own." I know I can, Doug, I don't need your permission thanks. He's since cut that down to shorter statements of wishy-washiness, but they're usually there every 3-4 sentences.

Really whenever Doug tries to do real review it becomes clear how little background he has in film as anything other than a comedy fanboy. He can articulate arguments about why comedy works or doesn't work, but when it comes to broader aspects of film or television he really doesn't have much to say and it shows.
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What happened to you? You used to be red!
 
People should buy Arthur Christmas bluray.

KalBalboa said:
I can't imagine watching another NC special longer than three hours with the writing and production quality I've seen... I like Doug, but that'd be a significant waste of time.

He'd be better at doing stronger 15 minute pieces then directionless 45-200 minute fodder.

Doggie, you never answered me- what "PSA thread" were you referring to again? The one where you claimed I was doing something that somehow invalidated my opinion on Nostalgia Critic?
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He's usually 30 mins though (the best eps go 15-20 mins). I agree on the longwindedness of his reviews, but most of the time a good review tends to make you forget how long it is (see: The Last Airbender) whereas the bad ones tend to make you cringe regardless (see: The Pokemon Movie review).

And it's any given PSASBR thread. The way you craft your arguments are kinda predictable.

maharg said:
His 15 minute stuff is usually so full of weird and pointless equivocation that they come off as mushy. His long stuff does, too, but it's particularly wasteful in the short stuff. I remember when he first started doing non-in-character reviews seriously you could do a drinking game on the number of times he said "but that's just my opinion, you can have your own." I know I can, Doug, I don't need your permission thanks. He's since cut that down to shorter statements of wishy-washiness, but they're usually there every 3-4 sentences.

Really whenever Doug tries to do real review it becomes clear how little background he has in film as anything other than a comedy fanboy. He can articulate arguments about why comedy works or doesn't work, but when it comes to broader aspects of film or television he really doesn't have much to say and it shows.
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That's more of a perspective thing really. If you want a more technical analysis as well as a deeper insight on films, Chick is something you should watch. His approach is mostly in how a movie affects the person. Their differences are more than just subject matter. Even if Critic would review, say, Kate and Leopold, he'd have a different output vs. Chick's review on Kate and Leopold.

And you'd be surprised - I like Doug but his fanbase is very terrible. It wouldn't surprise me that he needs to repeat that because of the fanbase.
 
Boss Doggie said:
That's more of a perspective thing really. If you want a more technical analysis as well as a deeper insight on films, Chick is something you should watch. His approach is mostly in how a movie affects the person. Their differences are more than just subject matter. Even if Critic would review, say, Kate and Leopold, he'd have a different output vs. Chick's review on Kate and Leopold.

And you'd be surprised - I like Doug but his fanbase is very terrible. It wouldn't surprise me that he needs to repeat that because of the fanbase.
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Sure, it's a perspective thing. But it's also that he tries to do it and he's not very good at it.

I watch Lindsay's as well, and am definitely more willing to watch her ramble about film or literary theory for an hour than Doug. Also Cinema Snob, who's expertise is horror/noire films and he knows it. I'm well aware of the breadth of talent on TGWTG.

As for the equivocation, it doesn't really matter if he says it or not they'll still be jackasses. Much better not to say it and ignore them so the rest of us don't have to deal with the consequences.
 
maharg said:
If there's one thing that Doug Walker is really good at it's going on way the fuck too long about something. His longer personal review videos (ie. the ones that aren't disneycemberish) are practically an ice age long. I don't think any of that shit was meant to be taken all that seriously at all.
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That's not a bad thing, he basically goes through the movies plot. Most aren't going to watch those videos again can appreciate that.
 
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Cage and Travolta look full-blown nuts in this movie. It's wonderful.
 
I wonder if Lord of War will be discussed. I mean it's got two things that will make almost any movie awesome, Ethan Hawke as a police officer of some sort, and a character that will make his life hell.
 
I'm willing to bet that one of the reviews or editorials will be about Kick-Ass, since Doug put the film on his list of "Worst Movies of 2010" and seemed to want to say more about it than he could in such a fragmented video.

I really, really hope that he covers The Wicker Man though. That movie is hilarious and I would love to see what Doug can do with it.
 
So far I think

Arnold Month > Cage Month > Sequel Month > Nickelodeon Month

Did I miss anything?

ScraftyDevil said:
I'm willing to bet that one of the reviews or editorials will be about Kick-Ass, since Doug put the film on his list of "Worst Movies of 2010" and seemed to want to say more about it than he could in such a fragmented video.

I really, really hope that he covers The Wicker Man though. That movie is hilarious and I would love to see what Doug can do with it.
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Yeah I hope Wicker Man is in it.
 
Boss Doggie said:
So far I think

Arnold Month > Cage Month > Sequel Month > Nickelodeon Month

Did I miss anything?



Yeah I hope Wicker Man is in it.
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Star Trek Month with the odd-numbered movies.

Technically the Month of Love as well, even though it was in February.
 
BatDan said:
Star Trek Month with the odd-numbered movies.

Technically the Month of Love as well, even though it was in February.
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Ah yeah forgot about Star Trek.

Probably better than Nick month but Sequel Month is better than it.
 
ScraftyDevil said:
I don't agree with the sentiment, but yeah, he actually put it on the list. See for yourself.
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I'll have to check that out. I actually disliked Kick Ass. Not sure I would ever list it as a "worst", but I was really surprised that so many people praised it to the levels that they did. To me, it came off as a very confused movie (from a tone perspective). At times it was a really gritty over the top action/super hero film. Other times it felt like a really shitty/cheap teen comedy.

Felt like they were taking Superbad and trying to make a raw hero film out of it. Granted, I know Millar's writing style (I kind of think he's shitty too). Don't get me wrong, there were things I did like about the film. But there were things I also really hated about it. And ultimately, I kind of hated the main character. The movie starts out
preaching a certain message, and the main character pushes that. But then by the end of the film he just becomes the same kind of asshole he hated in the beginning. But it's okay, he has a hot gf now
. Anyways, I'm going to watch Doug's take on it and see what he says.

EDIT: also, I actually thought the Face/Off review was great.
 
Just want to say that the face off review was god damn flawless just about.
One of my favorites in a long time.


"You better pull the trigger, because I don't give a fuck, I'm ready for round baby!"

Had that part on A-B repeat for 5 minutes.
 
Jawmuncher said:
Just want to say that the face off review was god damn flawless just about.
One of my favorites in a long time.


"You better pull the trigger, because I don't give a fuck, I'm ready for round baby!"

Had that part on A-B repeat for 5 minutes.
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The part where he misses the shots was pretty hilarious. Guy does a good Cage impression.
 
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