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[georly]

Has Kotaku ever done any investigative reporting on a Japanese company? I don't think so. We only ever hear stories about Nintendo from Nintendo.

No investigative reporting required when you're just talking about the press release sent to you or the japanese twitter account. They report on any console just the same.

How one presents a rumor is important. If it is a rumor, don't present it as fact. Some people don't seem to have learned that, even after years of doing it over and over and being criticized for it. Take some humility and acknowledge past failures and that the rumors may be wrong. Don't become defensive.

When you know they're reporting on rumors, it's kinda implied that they heard something from a source and that they believe the source. The one assuming it's a fact is the reader.

When someone says "Overwatch sucks" they're not saying that the game is objectively awful, they're saying their opinion of the game is that it sucks. They don't have to waste time saying "My opinion of overwatch is that it is not very good" when saying "overwatch sucks" is the same exact thing.

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

Silence does make people fear the worst, and I'm not entirely sure nintendo understands this. Or if they do, they don't care.

 

[TLZ]

S E X I S M

For fuck's sake, Nate Drake actually posts here and doesn't get an iota of the same shit despite making near identical claims.

Can you please point out where Nate did what she did?

(By the time this is posted, I'm still on page 95 and have no idea how this Emily stuff progressed seeing we've reached page 101 so far, so might be outdated like my other posts. This thread has moved way too fast for me and been reading every single page)

 

[Orakio Rob]

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

I hope you're wrong, but I'm also worried about that.

 

[Nairume]

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

We've gotten leaks about them internally panicking over troubled products before, especially in cases where they were attempting radio silence. If that were happening here, we'd probably have heard as much.

 

[gafneo]

I'm not holding my breath for a reveal this week. The new president has a lot of bagadge. Death of a president at the time when company started to decline in console, new console plans on the horizon, people harrassing them to make Metroid everyday. Give the guy a break. Nintendo gave us enough. Looking forward to Pokemon, Mario Run, and Zelda BOTW. Nintendo from here on out has a powerful legacy to last a lifetime. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

 

[Okami Haundo]

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

The iPhone 8 seems to show the same signs... Apple hasn't said a word about it!

I don't think we can judge Nintendo's marketing strategy when we haven't even seen it yet. Let's just wait for them to actually show us something and try to keep things positive before then.

What does everyone think the NX will do in terms of VC and Nintendo's back-catalog of games? It feels like both Wii and Wii-U got us close to the dream of a Nintendo console that plays everything, but both fell short.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

S E X I S M

For fuck's sake, Nate Drake actually posts here and doesn't get an iota of the same shit despite making near identical claims.

Can you link me to Nate Drake's post where he said a reveal was happening this week and the post where he openly called our Toto for being wrong?

Thanks in advance! 🙏

 

[BY2K]

So I'm gonna guess NoA's tweet today will be about the VC games coming out tomorrow.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Just 4 hours and 37 minutes until Kimishima's 6am alarm goes off in Kyoto. He has a big day today maybe

 

[orthodoxy1095]

So I'm gonna guess NoA's tweet today will be about the VC games coming out tomorrow.

Better be good stuff

 

[Snarfington]

We've gotten leaks about them internally panicking over troubled products before, especially in cases where they were attempting radio silence. If that were happening here, we'd probably have heard as much.

Really? Like what?
Genuine question, I'm super curious about when that has happened in the past.

 

[BY2K]

Better be good stuff

Breath of Fire on 3DS and Spirit Tracks on Wii U.

 

[TheMagician]

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

Something does feel 'off', that's for sure.

Delay to be announced at the briefing next week?

*attempting reverse jinx*

 

[LordKano]

So much despair in this thread, its delicious...upupupupupu

Now that you mention it, I just remembered that Spike Chunsoft exprimed interest in NX a while back. I wonder if Danganronpa 1+2 Reload could land on it ? It would be a pretty easy port.

 

[Malus]

Even Nate Drake is wondering why Emily is getting hate and nobody else including himself.

Direct-Feed Games
Direct-Feed Games‏ @DirectFeedGames
@InadaCelstice It's crazy. Why is no one hating on the analyst firm? The Oct 21 reveal rumors? Myself or the others? Why is she targeted?
Oct 19, 2016, 6:50 AM

Well, she was the one who posted the tweet about it possibly not being this week after being the first to post about it in the first place, she's a much more well known leaker than NateDrake/Neal with more examples of being wrong before (so there's a lot of "this is the last straw! stuff), and hardly anybody cares about a faceless analyst firm. Plus people often discredit speculation from analysts immediately as nothing more than educated guesses. The October 21st stuff came from some rando site and hardly gained any traction in the first place.

Obviously personal attacks are bad and some are getting super angry because it's the internet and people love to outrage anonymously without consequence, but these are the reasons I assume. I am a bit confused at some people treating NateDrake like he has more credibility, he hasn't been wrong as much but he's doesn't have any real posiitive track record either that I'm aware of.

I really have a hard time believing it's sexism or persecution like some are saying. Have you guys seen the hilarious amounts of shots taken at 10k, SMD and HappyNintendoFan around here? There was also a lot of hate for Kevin Pereira when he trolled about NX, and Tamaki/Doctor cupcakes over some of his previous statements.

Given that she, natedrake, french dude, and neal all posted about a potential reveal soon, she's almost certainly not just bullshitting like some have accused. In the end it's all just rumor and nothing is confirmed until Nintendo confirms it.

 

[bomblord1]

Can you link me to Nate Drake's post where he said a reveal was happening this week and the post where he openly called our Toto for being wrong?

Thanks in advance! ��

He hasn't directly confronted anyone but he did post this right after Emily's initial tweet

DirectFeedGames: The Time Has Come #NX

KingBroly: Are we sure this time?

DirectFeedGames: The madness shall end.

dwayne_the_lame: What if Nintendo delays the announcement to spite leakers.

DirectFeedGames: They can't. It's planned in advance and third-party partners set marketing expectations.

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/788201689937575936

 

[Skittzo0413]

To try to drag this discussion in a slightly more productive direction, here's a prediction:

The NX SoC will be fabricated on TSMC's new 16FFC process
(the same as the Apple A10 and just announced Kirin 960)

My reasons for believing this are as follows:

• The new 16FFC process is actually cheaper than the older 16FF/16FF+ processes. This is due to a decreased number of mask layers and improved density (meaning more dies per wafer).
• 16FFC improves power efficiency over the older processes, making it particularly useful for a handheld SoC.
• It's already being used in shipping products, meaning there shouldn't be any of the yield issues that come with being the first run on a new process.
• It may help explain any internal delay from late 2016 to March 2017, as the process would have been ready for a late 2016 launch, but with Apple sourcing the A10 entirely from TSMC (as opposed to the A9 which was dual-sourced with Samsung), Nintendo would have had to enter a bidding war with Apple to ensure sufficient supply for launch, potentially increasing costs substantially. A March 2017 launch allows them to wait until TSMC have sufficient 16FFC capacity, allowing them to pay a much more reasonable price per wafer.
• It may help explain why we haven't heard anything from third parties with final hardware. On a 28nm/20nm/16FF+ process Nintendo should have been able to get a decent number of engineering samples off the production line by this point to start using them in their party dev kits. A new process such as 16FFC would make it more difficult (and expensive) to get a sufficient number of high-quality engineering samples this early to be using them in dev kits.

It doesn't really give us any new info over what we already assumed regarding Pascal (in theory it should allow them to squeeze a bit more onto the die and operate at slightly higher clocks, but my expectations in both regards had such a high margin of error that I can't really say they've changed much), but I find it kind of interesting from my own tech-nerd point of view.

Thanks for contributing to actual, interesting discussion! I love semiconductor fab talk, I actually understand it at basic levels!

A few questions:

The 16FFC process results in the same product, it's just a different process for fabricating it, right? So essentially the same as they would have with FF or FF+, but slightly cheaper?

I'm confused about what you're saying when you say it's already been used in shipping products but you don't think Nintendo could get any final samples for third party devkits. I guess you mean that Nintendo would have had to compete with Apple to even get a reasonable amount of samples for devkits?

This could be a reason why Emily Rogers is still adamant about active cooling, if final devkits still aren't ready. (Wait, that wasn't a question)

 

[oreomunsta]

Being serious for a moment, I think NX is in trouble. This doesn't feel like some new compressed marketing strategy, it has the hallmarks of a company struggling behind the scenes with a product that they feel is potentially a real clunker but is too late in development change course.

I disagree with your speculation. Nintendo, at this point, has to figure out how to market this thing as perfectly as possible. This is a company that goes from financially having big wins (Wii/DS) to big lows (Wii U/3DS release). The NX won't be an exception. It'd be a really stressful job right now to determine what marketing routes the NX will go down because that will make our break Nintendo's next few years

 

[Bagage]

Is a delay is unthinkable right now?

 

[Schnozberry]

Can you link me to Nate Drake's post where he said a reveal was happening this week and the post where he openly called our Toto for being wrong?

Thanks in advance! 🙏

Nobody said there was a reveal this week, just news. And I believe Emily's response to Toto was that she "respectfully disagreed", and Toto himself even said his source on the NX news may not be reliable. Is that really calling someone out? But again, let's continue this fantasy narrative that Emily has turned the dreams of Gaffers into her personal Westworld.

 

[Retrobox]

What does everyone think the NX will do in terms of VC and Nintendo's back-catalog of games? It feels like both Wii and Wii-U got us close to the dream of a Nintendo console that plays everything, but both fell short.

I think the NX should be designed with a lot of future-proofing in mind. That also means finally nailing the VC dream. Third time's a charm.

 

[TunaLover]

So I'm gonna guess NoA's tweet today will be about the VC games coming out tomorrow.

Majora's Mask VC, please ;__;

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Breath of Fire on 3DS and Spirit Tracks on Wii U.

Works for me.

 

[asagami_]

I think the NX should be designed with a lot of future-proofing in mind. That also means finally nailing the VC dream. Third time's a charm.

I hope so. I am waiting this since the Wii rumors.

 

[jacksrb]

To try to drag this discussion in a slightly more productive direction, here's a prediction:

The NX SoC will be fabricated on TSMC's new 16FFC process
(the same as the Apple A10 and just announced Kirin 960)

My reasons for believing this are as follows:

• The new 16FFC process is actually cheaper than the older 16FF/16FF+ processes. This is due to a decreased number of mask layers and improved density (meaning more dies per wafer).
• 16FFC improves power efficiency over the older processes, making it particularly useful for a handheld SoC.
• It's already being used in shipping products, meaning there shouldn't be any of the yield issues that come with being the first run on a new process.
• It may help explain any internal delay from late 2016 to March 2017, as the process would have been ready for a late 2016 launch, but with Apple sourcing the A10 entirely from TSMC (as opposed to the A9 which was dual-sourced with Samsung), Nintendo would have had to enter a bidding war with Apple to ensure sufficient supply for launch, potentially increasing costs substantially. A March 2017 launch allows them to wait until TSMC have sufficient 16FFC capacity, allowing them to pay a much more reasonable price per wafer.
• It may help explain why we haven't heard anything from third parties with final hardware. On a 28nm/20nm/16FF+ process Nintendo should have been able to get a decent number of engineering samples off the production line by this point to start using them in their party dev kits. A new process such as 16FFC would make it more difficult (and expensive) to get a sufficient number of high-quality engineering samples this early to be using them in dev kits.

It doesn't really give us any new info over what we already assumed regarding Pascal (in theory it should allow them to squeeze a bit more onto the die and operate at slightly higher clocks, but my expectations in both regards had such a high margin of error that I can't really say they've changed much), but I find it kind of interesting from my own tech-nerd point of view.

Very interesting. Seems like a Nintendo-like solution that solves two issues, cost and performance.

Thanks for continuing to raise the level of discussion here. Your post the other day about the processing power per targeted pixels made me hopeful about how modern the NX games could look.

To everyone else:
1 - stop your wild swings, despair, and b*tching - you did it to yourself
2 - keep up the wild swings, despair, and b*tching - it is weirdly entertaining

 

[bomblord1]

Nobody said there was a reveal this week, just news. And I believe Emily's response to Toto was that she "respectfully disagreed", and Toto himself even said his source on the NX news may not be reliable. Is that really calling someone out? But again, let's continue this fantasy narrative that Emily has turned the dreams of Gaffers into her personal Westworld.

To further add context the "I respectfully disagree" was in response to a flurry of people tweeting links to his "Nothing this week" tweet at her.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Nobody said there was a reveal this week, just news. And I believe Emily's response to Toto was that she "respectfully disagreed", and Toto himself even said his source on the NX news may not be reliable. Is that really calling someone out? But again, let's continue this fantasy narrative that Emily has turned the dreams of Gaffers into her personal Westworld.

BZZTTT.

Wrong. Try again.

 

[gafneo]

Nobody said there was a reveal this week, just news. And I believe Emily's response to Toto was that she "respectfully disagreed", and Toto himself even said his source on the NX news may not be reliable. Is that really calling someone out? But again, let's continue this fantasy narrative that Emily has turned the dreams of Gaffers into her personal Westworld.

I'd compare it to the movie Gamer. Emily's avatar looks like the sim women in that movie, the one rescued by Gerald Butler.

 

[EVH]

So I would swear that an hour ago, Nintendo of America had a tweet pinned and now its not there. Maybe making space for a more important one.

Sorry not sorry. Maybe its the NoE pinned tweet the one I remember.

 

[jmizzal]

Is a delay is unthinkable right now?

No reason to think that, Nintendo has always said they will talk about NX in the fall and it will launch in March, regardless of what rumors have said, nothing official has changed.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I think the NX should be designed with a lot of future-proofing in mind. That also means finally nailing the VC dream. Third time's a charm.

I don't dare to let myself believe that this time will nail it.

But it'd be really great if it did.

 

[LordKano]

I'd compare it to the movie Gamer. Emily's avatar looks like the sim women in that movie, the one rescued by Gerald Butler.

It's from Rhythm Fever on Wii, ICYMI

 

[Nibel]

Is a delay is unthinkable right now?

There is no basis for a delay; Nintendo has been technically right since announcing the NX.

All they said is that they will talk more about it "at the end of the year" and that it will launch in March 2017.

Everything else - the September/October timeframes - are speculations from different persons. Just because these speculations didn't turn out to be true doesn't mean that anything that Nintendo has planned has changed.

The by far most reliable person in all of this is that Foxconn dude who said that there is a PSP-like device in production which is probably the NX and which is therefore in early pre-production and on schedule. The same person revealed the Pro/Slim or both, I don't remember it right now

So no, I don't see any reason for a delay happening just because some speculation has been fruitless.

 

[Serenitynow]

Nobody said there was a reveal this week, just news. And I believe Emily's response to Toto was that she "respectfully disagreed", and Toto himself even said his source on the NX news may not be reliable. Is that really calling someone out? But again, let's continue this fantasy narrative that Emily has turned the dreams of Gaffers into her personal Westworld.

"No NX reveal this week."

"I respectfully disagree."

Maybe Emily never said there would be a reveal this week, but that response tweet implied it. And I think vagueness is one of the huge problems a lot of people have with Emily.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Is a delay is unthinkable right now?

If we get to that meeting and they don't say anything then, I guess you could fret.

But as of now, we're not off track of the way Nintendo planned to talk about it. So it's all good.

 

[GinoFelino]

There is no basis for a delay; Nintendo has been technically right since announcing the NX.

All they said is that they will talk more about it "at the end of the year" and that it will launch in March 2017.

Everything else - the September/October timeframes - are speculations from different persons. Just because these speculations didn't turn out to be true doesn't mean that anything that Nintendo has planned has changed.

The by far most reliable person in all of this is that Foxconn dude who said that there is a PSP-like device in production which is probably the NX and which is therefore in early pre-production and on schedule. The same person revealed the Pro/Slim or both, I don't remember it right now

So no, I don't see any reason for a delay happening just because some speculation has been fruitless.

Or they just changed their plans about when the reveal would take place.

Either way, it means nothing and certainly isn't any indication of a delay.

 

[bomblord1]

Nintendo's skipping the upcoming corporate strategy meeting (this is separate from the briefing)

 

[xochipiltontli]

Any examples

If I remember correctly, the Eurogamer article that said NX was going to be a hybrid went up shortly after she said that it was going to be one (like the day after or later that day). I think she said something before Eurogamer with Mother 3 too. Whether either of these are actually true remains to be seen though.

As for her saying much of nothing, I don't think its fair to say that. She's been somewhat consistent on her NX claims for like a year now, as she was one of the few people to suggest that it'd be weaker than the Xbox One back when everyone was guessing it'd be some AMD powerhouse. She was also one of the first to suggest Nvidia was involved if I remember correctly. Her blog also has a pretty straight to the point list of NX features, and she continues to insist that it has not been delayed. She's been pretty concrete on her claims and continues to insist that she's right in terms of what NX is, so I don't think her backtracking on the reveal date makes her vague.

 

[CharminUltra]

Is a delay is unthinkable right now?

Your post literally made me think about it.

 

[gafneo]

It's from Rhythm Fever on Wii, ICYMI

Oh, never played that. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Nibel]

Or they just changed their plans about when the reveal would take place.

This is a possibility, but remember that their radius of operation grows smaller and smaller as time goes on; they can't wait too long with the reveal because they have nothing in 2017.

I assume that either this week or next week we'll get some kind of news; at this point, I expect them to announce a reveal timeframe to investors on the 26th and then have another investor's meeting after the actual reveal

 

[Guevara]

Nintendo's skipping the upcoming corporate strategy meeting (this is separate from the briefing)

This has been posted a couple times, but no worries.

I actually think it might deserve its own thread, given it is lost in here.

 

[Retrobox]

I hope so. I am waiting this since the Wii rumors.

I don't dare to let myself believe that this time will nail it.

But it'd be really great if it did.

Maybe we should briefly clarify what "nailing it" means? They can't get every single game of any given platform, right? So basically, simply giving us access to every single Nintendo console and handheld with as vast a selection as they can possibly achieve sounds good, yeah?

 

[Coolsambob]

I just read a rumour (possibly the most ridiculous one so far) that people who have registered a Wii U and 10 specific but unconfirmed games get 90% off the NX at launch.

I mean, it's plausible up until the 90% part.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Beginning to feel that this thread should be locked.

As I said in the beginning of the thread, we really need to disallow NX discussion until Nintendo officially has something to say.

Or just don't come in the thread ffs. Nobody tells you to come here. Just go away if you have a problem.

 

[Nairume]

Really? Like what?
Genuine question, I'm super curious about when that has happened in the past.

Most recent example is Star Fox Zero, where leaks pinned them as panicking over the controls because they knew it was going to get slagged over them but it was far too late to change things.

Also recent was Devil's Third, which, even if the XSEED thing didn't pan out, we still had info coming out about them struggling to figure out what to do with the game.

 

[Father_Brain]

This has been posted a couple times, but no worries.

I actually think it might deserve its own thread, given it is lost in here.

It really doesn't. There's nothing to be meaningfully inferred from it.

 

[KAL2006]

If I remember correctly, the Eurogamer article that said NX was going to be a hybrid went up shortly after she said that it was going to be one (like the day after or later that day). I think she said something before Eurogamer with Mother 3 too. Whether either of these are actually true remains to be seen though.

As for her saying much of nothing, I don't think its fair to say that. She's been somewhat consistent on her NX claims for like a year now, as she was one of the few people to suggest that it'd be weaker than the Xbox One back when everyone was guessing it'd be some AMD powerhouse. She was also one of the first to suggest Nvidia was involved if I remember correctly. Her blog also has a pretty straight to the point list of NX features, and she continues to insist that it has not been delayed. She's been pretty concrete on her claims and continues to insist that she's right in terms of what NX is, so I don't think her backtracking on the reveal date makes her vague.

Did Eurogamer leak happen a day day or 2 before Emily Rogers

 

[purseowner]

I just read a rumour (possibly the most ridiculous one so far) that people who have registered a Wii U and 10 specific but unconfirmed games get 90% off the NX at launch.

I mean, it's plausible up until the 90% part.

Oh I remember that one from months ago.

 

[perfectchaos007]

This has been posted a couple times, but no worries.

I actually think it might deserve its own thread, given it is lost in here.

"Nintendo skipping Corporate Strategy Meeting. Next weeks supposed Investors Meeting still not scheduled"

That will get some clicks!