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The Official RESIDENT EVIL 5 Thread of LOOK OUT: SPOILER TAGS CONTAIN ACTUAL SPOILERS
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Christopher
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okay Resident Evil 4 was such a fresh new and bold experience of course people are going to like it more than RE5, however I feel that RE5 did something impossible and actually made a game on par with RE4...it was such an amazing game that how on earth do you even begin to tackle it? Thankfully RE5 can seriously hold its own, while RE4 will always be such a great experience.
Yeah, I'm really not sure what game Neiteio played, but it certainly wasn't my copy of RE5.
Anyways, I just got done playing co-op for the first time online. My buddy isn't particularly great at the game, but I knew we could handle Veteran since I have the L. Hawk on infinite ammo and I'd like to think I'm an experienced enough player. We tore through chapter 3 in its entirety; it was a very fun time and was definitely an improvement on the solo experience, which is both a good and bad thing. If RE6 is simply another continuation of the RE4, I hope they have the sense to better balance the solo play while still retaining the co-op aspect.
Anyways, I just got done playing co-op for the first time online. My buddy isn't particularly great at the game, but I knew we could handle Veteran since I have the L. Hawk on infinite ammo and I'd like to think I'm an experienced enough player. We tore through chapter 3 in its entirety; it was a very fun time and was definitely an improvement on the solo experience, which is both a good and bad thing. If RE6 is simply another continuation of the RE4, I hope they have the sense to better balance the solo play while still retaining the co-op aspect.
Infinite ammo should only be used to achieve unlockables and attaining grade points and money. Playing the hardest difficulty with maxed out infinites defeats the whole purpose of even playing that mode. You do it for the challenge. I set challenge goals for myself like beating the game with a the stun rod and grenades. Knife ruins are a staple of the RE franchise and I'm hoping this game is no different.USD said:
Shaheed79 said:
What sniping sections even are there? You can pretty much do any part however you want. If it helps, I shot the emblem on the 6-1 ship with the magnum. :lol
Shaheed79 said:
IIRC isn't "two in the mines" and "two in the ruins underneath the castle" the same part? If so, that's 7. The 2 female chainsaw ganado are also avoidable, but if you fight them you miss out on the Gigante fight.
And Dr. Salvador was scary at first until you learn he acts just like the Ganado, and you can then knife him to death.
The Chainsaw Majini in 5 usually had swarms of people around you so it's a lot harder to do on him, not to mention he has a lot more health and takes a lot more to stun, though his AI isn't very aggressive he still manages to be a pretty big threat on the close quarters of the Ship Deck.
Grimm Fandango
Member
Lots of nostalgia about Dr. Salvador going on. He's certainly much weaker than the bigger enemies in RE5. The vanilla shotgun could send him to the ground.
I've already beaten pro without infinite weapons. Twice. It's like playing Advanced but the enemies just take more damage.Neiteio said:
I have 122 combo in RE5 not RE4. I don't remember what my highest combo is in that game as it's between 3 different versions of the game. I do know I had some of the highest merc scores in all of GAF in the official RE4 topic.
You know the emblem at the beginning of 3-1? Ever try getting that without a partner? What weapon did you use? I mean sniping parts in general which is any battle where the enemy is further than your laser will show up on the enemy.Papercuts said:
Nope those are separate parts. Replay the game. You know the part right before the Indiana Jones Temple of Doom homage? Well its that part and then the area where you have to take the mine cart down to get the dynamite right before you fight the twin Elgigante's.
He has terribly slow reflexes in all difficulty levels. The only thing that makes him formidable is that you can't knock him down. I honestly felt the Garrador in RE4 was much more threatening for a non knockdown enemy and a pretty original weakness that took strategy to exploit efficiently. The way he killed you was more awesome as well.
ToyMachine228
Member
Just beat RE5 for a second time. This time on Veteran. And didn't get the achievement for some reason. Also, after watching the ending for the second time
it just doesn't seem right to have Wesker dead. And if he survived, then that's retarded too considering he got shot a million times, overdosed with the virus, stabbed in the heart, and fell into a fucking volcano...So either way, it kind of sucks. The Wesker part this is.
Don't forgetToyMachine228 said:
shot with twin rocket launchers while immersed in hot lava
Anyone got all the treasures yet? I've got all but like 6 and I've searched through the game at least 7 times from start to finish trying to get all platinum on all difficulties. Where in the hell could these last ones be?
Shaheed79 said:
Some of the harder ones are probably
Kill the whole horde of Majini at the early part of 1-1 instead of running, last one drops a unique treasure.
The 5-3 Wesker fight has a lot. I think in one of the back rooms there's a jewel in a pot, there's the one coffin you need both to open for a magnum and other jewels, there's another if you go up the stairs and on the right side. If you defeat Wesker based off of damage the heart of africa will be in between the steps during the Jill fight.
Shoot all of the Majini on the crane on 6-1 ahead of time. You avoid the cage drop and one of should have dropped something when you go up the ladder after you would normally be caught.
Kill the boss in 4-1 instead of running for a soul gem.
2-2 in the market area, there's a chest surrounded by stalls that you need to lob a grenade at to get to.
Shoot the right pillar on the final fight before you cross the bridge that breaks to make it fall, after the bridge falls you can jump across to it(need to be chris).
The 5-3 Wesker fight has a lot. I think in one of the back rooms there's a jewel in a pot, there's the one coffin you need both to open for a magnum and other jewels, there's another if you go up the stairs and on the right side. If you defeat Wesker based off of damage the heart of africa will be in between the steps during the Jill fight.
Shoot all of the Majini on the crane on 6-1 ahead of time. You avoid the cage drop and one of should have dropped something when you go up the ladder after you would normally be caught.
Kill the boss in 4-1 instead of running for a soul gem.
2-2 in the market area, there's a chest surrounded by stalls that you need to lob a grenade at to get to.
Shoot the right pillar on the final fight before you cross the bridge that breaks to make it fall, after the bridge falls you can jump across to it(need to be chris).
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I don't see myself doing a knife only run with this game. I might attempt a handgun only run, with the default. I dunno. I don't think I'll feel like tackling the later chapters with it. :/
Man, this convo is bringing up so many memories of RE4. Did a run with the Matilda I think. Got to the section where you had to snipe Ashley off the walls, and nailed that shit without killing her. I spent like 5 minutes on that section. Takes two seconds with the rifle.
The duo Garrador room on Pro is infinitely harder than anything I've encountered in RE5. Same with the Krauser fight and the water room. Wesker goes down like a bitch with a partner, when you abuse his one track-minded AI.
Man, this convo is bringing up so many memories of RE4. Did a run with the Matilda I think. Got to the section where you had to snipe Ashley off the walls, and nailed that shit without killing her. I spent like 5 minutes on that section. Takes two seconds with the rifle.
The duo Garrador room on Pro is infinitely harder than anything I've encountered in RE5. Same with the Krauser fight and the water room. Wesker goes down like a bitch with a partner, when you abuse his one track-minded AI.
Kill the whole horde of Majini at the early part of 1-1 instead of running, last one drops a unique treasure.
The 5-3 Wesker fight has a lot. I think in one of the back rooms there's a jewel in a pot, there's the one coffin you need both to open for a magnum and other jewels, there's another if you go up the stairs and on the right side. If you defeat Wesker based off of damage the heart of africa will be in between the steps during the Jill fight.
Shoot all of the Majini on the crane on 6-1 ahead of time. You avoid the cage drop and one of should have dropped something when you go up the ladder after you would normally be caught.
Kill the boss in 4-1 instead of running for a soul gem.
2-2 in the market area, there's a chest surrounded by stalls that you need to lob a grenade at to get to.
Shoot the right pillar on the final fight before you cross the bridge that breaks to make it fall, after the bridge falls you can jump across to it(need to be chris).
Applesauce
Boom! Bitch-slapped!
Christopher said:
Well said.
But I want the yellow herbs back along with the creepy merchant in the next game
You're making me want to beat it all over again with the Red 9. Sniping Ashley off the wall was a true test of marksmanship. The duo Garrador part was one of the hardest parts with the handgun. I died so many times in RE4 playing that way but it was oh so much damn fun finding a way to beat it because you knew it was possible.Oldschoolgamer said:
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Shaheed79 said:Don't have this one. That still leaves at leas 4 that I'm missing. Thanks for the suggestions though.
Did you get the one in
the mine with the lantern thingie? There's a diamond....pear, I think, where you can suddenly veer left near the end of the section
Other than that, there's one of each kind of 'cut' (pear, square, trilliant, brilliant, and the heart-shaped) IIRC, you should have about 4 slots open when you're done. Try searching 2-1 or 4-1 for ones embedded in the rocks/ceiling.
....uh....don't think that one exists.
/doesn't know if that's supposed to be the joke or not.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Regarding the effects of the Uroboros -
Was this explained in one of the documents or files? I thought I read them all but I still seem a little confused on this matter. It doesn't help that there are so many different viruses in the RE universe.
Also - (RE4 spoilers)
How far after RE4 is RE5 in the timeline, anyway?
I need Leon for DLC. Thrust Punch was a lot cooler than Cobra Strike, but I can kinda see how thrust punch would have been a bit broken.
Once exposed to the Uroboros virus, most humans turn into that big tentacle spaghetti thing, right? A small percentage (the "chosen" ones) evolve into some sort of superhuman, right?
That boss you fight with the flamethrower was rejected and so was Excella. Was Irving rejected too, or was he chosen? He didn't seem to turn into the normal tentacle monster.
Do we ever see examples of superhumans with the right kind of DNA who were chosen by Uroboros? Was that Jill?
That boss you fight with the flamethrower was rejected and so was Excella. Was Irving rejected too, or was he chosen? He didn't seem to turn into the normal tentacle monster.
Do we ever see examples of superhumans with the right kind of DNA who were chosen by Uroboros? Was that Jill?
Was this explained in one of the documents or files? I thought I read them all but I still seem a little confused on this matter. It doesn't help that there are so many different viruses in the RE universe.
Also - (RE4 spoilers)
The sample that Ada runs away with is a Las Plagas sample that Wesker and Tricell use to develop the Las Plagas version 2?
How far after RE4 is RE5 in the timeline, anyway?
I need Leon for DLC. Thrust Punch was a lot cooler than Cobra Strike, but I can kinda see how thrust punch would have been a bit broken.
Applesauce
Boom! Bitch-slapped!
Erico said:
Or Chris BSAA & Chris STARS.
Its like 2 Marty McFly's fighting a bunch of Biffs. Kinda weird but so awesome.
Alright everyone, I'm about to start my first PRO playthrough to get the trophy.
Now, unfortunately, none of my friends own a PS3 and so there will be no co-op partner for me, apart from randoms.
SO - please could all you masters give me the optimal infinite ammo load out for both Chris and Sheva (assuming she is AI-controlled)?
I'm thinking L-Hawk, Hydra and Rocket Launcher (all infinite) for Chris, and Sheva can have the Handcannon and M3. What do people think?
Now, unfortunately, none of my friends own a PS3 and so there will be no co-op partner for me, apart from randoms.
SO - please could all you masters give me the optimal infinite ammo load out for both Chris and Sheva (assuming she is AI-controlled)?
I'm thinking L-Hawk, Hydra and Rocket Launcher (all infinite) for Chris, and Sheva can have the Handcannon and M3. What do people think?
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Rentahamster said:
In regards to your first question,
Wesker is the only one we see whom Uruboros has successfully "bonded" with. Irving mentions that he wasn't given "the good stuff", implying that Jill via Excella gave him a different bioweapon, more similar to las plagas
In regards to your second,
Jill, IIRC, it's been a while since I've read the file, was just brainwashed by Wesker after he found remnants of Jill's partially cured T-virus (maye similar to Alice from the movies in RE:apocalypse, only not obviously as powerful) from RE3 in her system, which helped him to stabilize Uruboros. He kept her around to torment her and Chris, as well as harvest more of the 'partially cured' dormant T-virus in her system
IIRC, Neitelo said something about Tricell formerly being named Seashell, though I couldn't seem to find the file in-game or in the library. In Ada's report, she mentions that she worked for a different pharmaceutical company, "S". This may explain why
Wesker had to seduce Excella, in order for her to take over the company and steal the las plagas sample and give it to him
Shaheed79 said:Got this oneKill the whole horde of Majini at the early part of 1-1 instead of running, last one drops a unique treasure.
I have all of these except that last one. Thanx.The 5-3 Wesker fight has a lot. I think in one of the back rooms there's a jewel in a pot, there's the one coffin you need both to open for a magnum and other jewels, there's another if you go up the stairs and on the right side. If you defeat Wesker based off of damage the heart of africa will be in between the steps during the Jill fight.
Not sure about this one.Shoot all of the Majini on the crane on 6-1 ahead of time. You avoid the cage drop and one of should have dropped something when you go up the ladder after you would normally be caught.
I had no idea you could run? lol Got that one.Kill the boss in 4-1 instead of running for a soul gem.
Got that one.2-2 in the market area, there's a chest surrounded by stalls that you need to lob a grenade at to get to.
Don't have this one. That still leaves at leas 4 that I'm missing. Thanks for the suggestions though.Shoot the right pillar on the final fight before you cross the bridge that breaks to make it fall, after the bridge falls you can jump across to it(need to be chris).
You might just be missing random ones on the walls you need to shoot down, I can't really remember any of those that might be easy to miss though. By the way, there are 4 extra slots, are you including that? If not you should have them all after that.
Applesauce
Boom! Bitch-slapped!
Sidzed2 said:
Leave the launcher in your reserve.
I can play it w/ you if you want, but the RL pretty much eliminates any kind of challenge.
There isn't a treasure to fill every slot on the inventory screen. After collecting all treasures (50 total, if I remember correctly), there should be 4 slots left open.Shaheed79 said:Got this oneKill the whole horde of Majini at the early part of 1-1 instead of running, last one drops a unique treasure.
I have all of these except that last one. Thanx.The 5-3 Wesker fight has a lot. I think in one of the back rooms there's a jewel in a pot, there's the one coffin you need both to open for a magnum and other jewels, there's another if you go up the stairs and on the right side. If you defeat Wesker based off of damage the heart of africa will be in between the steps during the Jill fight.
Not sure about this one.Shoot all of the Majini on the crane on 6-1 ahead of time. You avoid the cage drop and one of should have dropped something when you go up the ladder after you would normally be caught.
I had no idea you could run? lol Got that one.Kill the boss in 4-1 instead of running for a soul gem.
Got that one.2-2 in the market area, there's a chest surrounded by stalls that you need to lob a grenade at to get to.
Don't have this one. That still leaves at leas 4 that I'm missing. Thanks for the suggestions though.Shoot the right pillar on the final fight before you cross the bridge that breaks to make it fall, after the bridge falls you can jump across to it(need to be chris).
Since you're using infinite ammo and super weapons might as well give Sheva the Bow and Arrow and the L-Hawk. Bow comes infinite out the box. For you whatever you're most comfortable with. If' it's the L-Hawk then give Sheva the Hand Cannon. She won't miss.Sidzed2 said:
Christopher
Member
What did Wekser inject himself with Urobourous or was it some kind of virus to keep him stabalized??
Rentahamster said:
Yes to the first question.
It explains in Irvings file that he injected himself with a control plagas (much like what the boss characters of 4 have.) When it comes to jill I forget exactly what the experiment done to her was but I know whatever she has only leaves her under someones control for a limited time so they had to build the device on her chest so they could constantly pump her full of the stuff
Christopher said:
It never really says exactly what it is he's injecting himself with. We just know he needs it because his virus is unstable. We know he can successfully join with uroboros because of the final battle (remember he uroboroses up for the fight.)
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Ah, I see.Kard8p3 said:
I wonder why he exhibited Uroboros-like tentacles as well?
Kard8p3 said:
Oh yeah that's right, the P03 stuff or whatever it was called.
Kard8p3 said:
That means he's been constantly injecting himself with this stuff ever since the end of RE1?
In regards to his grand scheme:
How is Wesker so certain that he would be one of the chosen ones? How could he have known beforehand that Uroboros wouldn't have horribly mutated/killed him like it does for most of its victims? Didn't one of the ingame files (the one you read after killing the flamethrower Uroboros) say that the appearance of the tentacles was a sign of rejection? Does that mean that Wesker's transformation at the end was possibly an incomplete bonding? That Wesker's superhuman powers allowed him to tame and dominate Uroboros - similar to what Jill's antibodies did?
And why the hell didn't anyone follow up on Umbrella's most successful virus - the one T-virus variant that Wesker took? The most powerful virus they have and they never follow up on it? The G and T-Veronica viruses seem weak by comparison due to all the bad side effects.
Speaking of that special Wesker T-virus variant, it says in Wesker's file that the other Wesker children took it and that there were few survivors. I wonder what happened to these characters and if they'll be the basis of RE6.
And why the hell didn't anyone follow up on Umbrella's most successful virus - the one T-virus variant that Wesker took? The most powerful virus they have and they never follow up on it? The G and T-Veronica viruses seem weak by comparison due to all the bad side effects.
Speaking of that special Wesker T-virus variant, it says in Wesker's file that the other Wesker children took it and that there were few survivors. I wonder what happened to these characters and if they'll be the basis of RE6.
I think that was from an early script of REMetroidvania said:
egeneration according to some RE wiki.Thanks for the discussion, guys.
Rentahamster said:
the virus wesker took was a virus designed only for the subjects of the wesker children project. I think theres more to it than that but It's been awhile since I read the file. I really don't know what they'll do with the wesker children in the future. The file said there were a few survivors but spencer said wesker was the only survivor. I assume the file is more current than the spencer scene so it's possible that spencer thought the others died because none of the others ever came to see him. I believe they were designed to want to seek him out at some point. Maybe they can go into more detail with the whole thing in a later game.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Nemesis556 said:
There's the possibility that she switched jobs, but even if she was still working for "the agency"....unless the "fake" sample actually wasn't fake, how did Tricell get Las Plagas then, if Ada wasn't working for them?
Christopher
Member
Tricell had to be "the orginization"
Nope. If you read the quote I was responding to, Pojo invented a little story in jest about Salvador having been the smartest guy in the village gone mad, so I had some fun imagining why Axeman carries all these hooks, needles and other sharp pointy objects. From a practical standpoint, though, they just make him look cool. Moreso than a bland, one-attack bag-head RE4 saw fit to recycle nine times (by your count).Shaheed79 said:
Really, did we need to fight Salvador that many times? You can knock him flat with one shotgun blast
What parts can't you do with a handgun? You just have to guide your shots. I mean, if youre talking about sniping the optional BSAA emblem on the tankers radar mast, thats one thing, but where enemies are concerned its perfectly feasible to use a pistol. You can adjust the aiming speed in Options, which should help.
If theres one thing Ill have a hard time believing, its that RE5 is somehow weaker than RE4 in the combat department. You can show someone the two games side-by-side and itll be clear as day that RE5 has more bite. Ground finishers alone make all the difference in the world. This is one area where I see RE5 as clearly better, but whatever. To each his own.
On the topic of bosses and enemies: I dont see how RE4 has a clear advantage. RE5 has a Majini equivalent for every Ganado in RE4, only the Majini do more and there are more ways to interact with them, whether we're talking QTE dodges during a Wetland Majinis spear-jump or taking cover and returning fire against Base Majini carrying guns, something the soldiers of RE4 never considered. Speaking of the cover system, I may be in the minority but I found it VERY satisfying, whipping around a corner and sniping a headshot like Quick-Draw McGraw (with a pistol!), or shooting between scaffoldings to hit the smidgen of red tank visible from halfway across the room. I dont know why RE4 had the ONE room in the mines where you could take cover and then Leon forgot how to shelter himself against enemy rocket fire and what-not, but Im glad they brought it back because its fun and looks tight.
But back to enemies. The Majini did more to surprise me and keep me edge. Majini can do the running lunge twice as far, and circle-strafe you nearly three-quarters. They can climb structures, without or without a ladder. I like the face-hugger attack when youre grabbed, too. And then you have the Wetland Majini, who can limbo under shots and stomp you like Mario (wtf!), and the Base Majini, who roll for cover and blind-fire. In RE4, each class of Ganado felt derivative of the one before, with mostly only the handheld weapons changing, and occasionally the plaga. In RE5, you have all these changes from class to class, plus sharp behavioral differences (for example, Wetland Majini can leap up ladders that Town Majini would climb).
The interaction extends to monsters as well. The sight-impaired Lickers, which climb walls and ceilings and have multiple ways to kill you up close or from afar, can be knocked back with a QTE uppercut or stabbed through the heart in the most badass finisher of all RE-dom. When it comes to plagas, each plaga in RE5 feels unique; while RE4 had the head-scythes, head-biters and acid-sprayers, the strategy for each was the same -- shoot it with all you got (or flash grenade) -- while RE5's plagas mix it up a bit, whether it's the armor of duvalia or the flying grapplers of kipepeo. Yes, you kill them by force too, but it feels fresh dealing with them because ones a tank and the others airborne. I love the dogs with the bifurcated heads, too.
RE4 had Regenerators, a couple Iron Maidens (which were more or less stretchy Regenerators), and Novistadors. Those are the ones I remember best. The knights were more bullet sponge than monster, collapsing in a heap after taking enough hit; nothing that struck my fancy as a monster lover. Given how much longer RE4 was, you wouldve expected more non-boss, non-ganado monsters to stave off repetition, but in the end it breaks even with RE5 and feels like monk after monk after monk after monk
Now where bosses are concerned, theres a lot to love in BOTH games. In RE4, we have Bitores Mendez, probably my favorite boss from a HORROR standpoint. The Del Lago is straight out of Moby-Dick, and theres plenty of interaction in the preferable on-foot Gigante battles. And I love Verdugo so much I bought an action figure of him. He's watching me from a shelf above my laptop as I type this.
But I also love the bosses of RE5, and I feel the game did more to keep them fresh. Off the top of my head: entreating
Jill
Wesker
Wesker
So yeah. We can debate creatures all day long, but we wont get anywhere because a lot of its preference. Its worth noting, however, that RE5 is a shorter, more streamlined (and dare I say less repetitious) experience, yet it still manages to pack as much variety as RE4. I think Capcom deserves some recognition for that, even if youre a diehard Mikami fan.
Of course, what really works in RE5s favor is co-op, which means no matter how many times you play the game itll be different each time. The only thing more fun than RE4-style gameplay is RE4-style co-op, and on this front Im just starting to scratch the surface, having played split-screen and dabbling online a bit. I think the fact I had as much fun with RE5 solo as I remember with RE4 bodes well for the game, which can only get better in multiplayer. And then you have Mercenaries, twice as big as before, and the upcoming Slayers and Survivors DLC for two to four players And who knows what else is in the pipeline
Im glad to see the game selling like hotcakes and the leaderboards bustling with activity. It means we might yet see an RE6 this generation, preferably a co-op title with action similar to RE5. Until then, Im more than happy with the two RE action titles we have now. Good times.
Kard8p3 said:
Ok I've got more to add. I just re-read the majini file and apparently
you're looking for irving because he's under suspicion of buying las plagas off the black market and bringing it to africa. Here is the part from the article that talks about it: The presence of Las Plagas in this mission has been confirmed. It is currently unknown how the parasites, discovered in Europe, came to be present in Africa. A known bioweapon smuggler, Ricardo Irving, is wanted for questioning regarding this matter.
This information was obtained by the BSAAs Alpha Team at great personal risk to themselves. Their report indicated that a Las Plagas sample was extracted from Europe and has undergone both biological and genetic modification, creating a more effective and potentially dangerous biological weapon.
This information was obtained by the BSAAs Alpha Team at great personal risk to themselves. Their report indicated that a Las Plagas sample was extracted from Europe and has undergone both biological and genetic modification, creating a more effective and potentially dangerous biological weapon.
Grimm Fandango
Member
Doing a run on normal where the only gun I'll use is the vanilla starting handgun. This should be interesting
Always-honest
Banned
nah, she's whackkamorra said: