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[Hitokage]

It's funny because you can really tell how much of a battle of attrition it is for Sagat in those Daigo vs Pie/Mago/Bonchan vids.
And really, nerfing the high tier is supposed to make lower tier characters "more" viable against them, but I think what they should have done is buff the lower tier characters to make them better overall.

To some extent they did do this...


...but not for Gen or Guile, apparently.

 

[Augemitbutter]

they nerfed Ryu too.

of course they did, but not as hard.

that's the point.

 

[Arde5643]

hrrmm... im not a vega player so not sure how this affects his game. ill have to see it in action i guess.





Really? Isn't the ultra initiated after he jumps to the wall? I thought you could choose whether or not you wanted to do it when you got to the wall.

You might be thinking about his super.

With the buffed ultra 1, Claw now basically doesn't fear fireballs at all since ultra 1 goes through fireballs and will juggle the fireballer as he dives into the wall then doing full ultra.

Other than that, with the speed of the wall dive from ultra 1, it can also be used to punish whiffs and blocks from big moves.

 

[PhatSaqs]

And with all the nerfing, Sagat will still likely only have 1 for sure (Akuma) and maybe two close losing matchups from the vanilla cast. Sagat will be fine.

 

[sixteen-bit]

of course they did, but not as hard.

that's the point.

So they nerfed an S-tier character harder than an A-tier character. Their logic isn't flawed here.

 

[Rice-Eater]

Does Sagat's uppercuts still have good invincibility? If they do then I guess that's the trade off for having a more damaging uppercut. Ryu's fierce DP does more damage, but only a well timed DP will not trade or get beaten from the looks of it now. Maybe the same will apply to other characters with more damaging multi hitting DP's like Dudley. At least I hope that's the case because it would suck if Sagat has a low damage DP and Ryu has a DP with less invincibility, but then someone like Dudley gets the best of both worlds :-/

 

[arstal]

of course they did, but not as hard.

that's the point.

Hardly a nerf period to me. He needed a massive nerf- like 2i to 3s Sean.

And Ryu was S-tier same as Sagat.

 

[sixteen-bit]

A bit OT but the Scott Pilgrim (cool graphic novel with lots of game references) trailer looks badass http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/universal/scottpilgrimvstheworld/

Catch the Street Fighter reference?

Alpha 3 "KO" sample.

 

[ScOULaris]

What's this on the previous page about setting the language for individual characters? You couldn't do that in Vanilla, could you?

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

so is the game out yet?

 

[NeoUltima]

What's this on the previous page about setting the language for individual characters? You couldn't do that in Vanilla, could you?

You could. Had to unlock it though.

 

[Mileena]

Hardly a nerf period to me. He needed a massive nerf- like 2i to 3s Sean.

And Ryu was S-tier same as Sagat.

Keep dreaming :lol

 

[Augemitbutter]

So they nerfed an S-tier character harder than an A-tier character. Their logic isn't flawed here.

i'd like to see the whole top tier nerfed equally and low tier buffed up some, that would be perfect logic. it's not like sagat was an unbeatable beast, when apparently only a smaller percentage of players could tap his full potential. that's why you see the typical ryu spam in everydays street fighting.

 

[ScOULaris]

Well I'll be damned. Learn somethin' new every day.

 

[haunts]

main: cody

sub: ryu with metsu shoryuken!!!!! i love the crunchy sound

 

[bentllama]

squeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[Teknopathetic]

"main: cody"

Prison Brothers. *fist bump*

I'm not the bitch, though.

 

[haunts]

"main: cody"

Prison Brothers. *fist bump*

I'm not the bitch, though.

:lol

we'll see who's the bitch when we play mirror online!!!!


ohhhhh...

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

main: cody

sub: ryu with metsu shoryuken!!!!! i love the crunchy sound

 

[haunts]

i <3 sluts but I kick em to the curb when the fight starts

 

[the_log_ride]

so is the game out yet?

Almost, man. Almost. Less than 2,851,200 seconds until you'll be followin' up karakusas with hayates, and complaining along with me about how the Sagat and Ryu nerfs aren't nerfy enough. Yep, not long from now.

 

[haunts]

hey at least now when ppl say sagat is OP you'll know they are a scrub.

 

[XenoRaven]

I always thought Sagat was pretty free in Vanilla. I think it's a side-effect of watching too many Keystone streams.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

I hear you, no disrespect intended. I am suggesting that forming an opinion based on NEVER (or like, a few times before moving on) playing as a character is a bad thing and a poor basis for opinion.

Experience against a character is all you need to discuss specific match-ups provided your opponents make good use of their options though. By your logic people who main single characters are inept to discuss the rest of the cast. :/

 

[the_log_ride]

hey at least now when ppl say sagat is OP you'll know they are a scrub.

It'll make the Sim/Sagat matchup easier for sure.

 

[haunts]

I always thought Sagat was pretty free in Vanilla. I think it's a side-effect of watching too many Keystone streams.

cruisin for a bruisin there buddy!!! almost every keystone ive been in the top 3 so i dont wanna hear it. :lol

 

[BitchTits]

I think it's great that Sagat got nerfed, but I admit it has to take something special to get really good with the guy, I hate using him, even the shittiest flowchart Ken has a good chance against me with Sagat. The guy moves like he's underwater AND superglued to the ground. Yuck.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I hate super jumping with my circle gate, but I hate doing half circles with a square gate. What am I supposed to do?

 

[K.Sabot]

I feel Makoto is going to be dissapointing, but I also feel she might have some secret we don't know yet...

 

[Mileena]

I hate super jumping with my circle gate, but I hate doing half circles with a square gate. What am I supposed to do?

Use an Octagon bro

 

[XenoRaven]

cruisin for a bruisin there buddy!!! almost every keystone ive been in the top 3 so i dont wanna hear it. :lol

Just be glad I'm not there. I'd totally be in like the top 10...out of 10.

 

[NeoUltima]

So Amazon pre-order bonus gives alts for Guile, Blanka, Dhalsim, Gen and Fei Long...None of whom I play regularly. Are there any other places offering different packs?

 

[LowParry]

I feel Makoto is going to be dissapointing, but I also feel she might have some secret we don't know yet...

Look at the damaaage!

 

[qcf x2]

I feel bad for Sagat players now.

Why?

1. He's still gonna be good.

2. Most of the Sagat players probably only used him because he was so win-friendly*. Watch them jump ship to whoever looks like they inflict the easiest damage. :lol


*As opposed to actually liking a character and using them for that reason.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

I'm maining Hakan and no-one else.

 

[Corky]

so are people just being facetious or sagat players abandoning him without even giving him a chance in super?

Really seems they picked him for the fun-factor and not his rank...

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

so are people just being facetious or sagat players abandoning him without even giving him a chance in super?

Really seems they picked him for the fun-factor and not his rank...

I'm bailing out, any nerf is a nerf too much, have to charge up his uppercut? I didn't pick him to be joke tier in Super.

Spoiler

I never played as Sagat in SF4

 

[haunts]

i like how people are like yeah "he will still be good sure!" but have no explanation as to why. instead you get scrubby ass answers like "ppl only pick him so they could win easier".

im done discussing this, you'll guys see soon enough.

 

[XenoRaven]

Why?

1. He's still gonna be good.

2. Most of the Sagat players probably only used him because he was so win-friendly*. Watch them jump ship to whoever looks like they inflict the easiest damage. :lol


*As opposed to actually liking a character and using them for that reason.

I guess. I'm hoping the changes turn some of his 6-4's into 5-5's. I just hope all his 5-5's don't turn into 4-6's if that makes sense. Yeah yeah, tier lists and all that. I'm just trying to look at it from the perspective of a character I use and really like losing tools and having damage cut where I don't feel it needs to be cut. Plus, everyone in the game is getting cool new tools. I'm excited about the prospects of Chun's new Ultra. Sagat gets an Ultra that seems to do crappy damage, and he gets a way to power up one TU so it will do the damage people are used to it doing but takes an EX bar. Not changes to be excited about for Sagat players.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

I think it's been said before,but most people should learn a couple of character to avoid counter pick.Sagat vs Akuma won't be fun for the King.

Except in tournaments where the character-lock rule is enforced, of course.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Use an Octagon bro

There's no octagonal gate for a seimitsu LS-32-01 :-(

 

[Threi]

-dreams- Ah yes. I can already see Vega's Leaping Kick followed with his Ultra working.

isn't leaping kick df+hk? how can you link that to ultra if you have to charge down-back?

*edit* Regarding nerfs: The most deserved nerf so far is for all the DP chars to lose to meaties on wakeup. That was very much needed.

 

[LowParry]

isn't leaping kick df+hk? how can you link that to ultra if you have to charge down-back?

You're already charged forward, so it'd be an extra slide. Like I said, tricky, but it'd be doable.

Edit: Well, actually. Now that I think of it, when I use that kick, I'm already back charged. I can see it being done without too much of a hitch.

 

[arstal]

So Amazon pre-order bonus gives alts for Guile, Blanka, Dhalsim, Gen and Fei Long...None of whom I play regularly. Are there any other places offering different packs?

It's prob going to be like SFIV. First pack free, each pac kone week later, then 2 months later everything for half price. Just wait for deal.

 

[lemon__fresh]

I guess. I'm hoping the changes turn some of his 6-4's into 5-5's. I just hope all his 5-5's don't turn into 4-6's if that makes sense. Yeah yeah, tier lists and all that. I'm just trying to look at it from the perspective of a character I use and really like losing tools and having damage cut where I don't feel it needs to be cut. Plus, everyone in the game is getting cool new tools. I'm excited about the prospects of Chun's new Ultra. Sagat gets an Ultra that seems to do crappy damage, and he gets a way to power up one TU so it will do the damage people are used to it doing but takes an EX bar. Not changes to be excited about for Sagat players.

What?! Sagat is getting a damage reduction? I thought they were only taking away lk business and lowering health... Whateva, I don't main him currently but he is still fun as hell to play as (high kick FTW!) and giving him a fireball ultra is gonna allow for even more fun opportunities.

 

[XenoRaven]

What?! Sagat is getting a damage reduction? I thought they were only taking away lk business and lowering health... Whateva, I don't main him currently but he is still fun as hell to play as (high kick FTW!) and giving him a fireball ultra is gonna allow for even more fun opportunities.

Tiger Uppercut does 100 damage now. In fact it's pretty safe to start calling it Tigger Uppercut.

 

[Threi]

let's not forget Sagat is currently the only known char that has retained most, if not all of his DP trade bullshit.

Basically, I have zero sympathy for any shotos or shoto-like chars getting nerfs. The gameplay system heavily favored them in vanilla, good to see that the playing field might be evened up. My only problem is why they decided to take out DeeJay's EX dread kick > ultra.

 

[Hitokage]

I hate super jumping with my circle gate, but I hate doing half circles with a square gate. What am I supposed to do?

Not ride the gate all the time?

 

[black_vegeta]

When SSF4 comes out and I whoop up on a Sagat, I'm going to send a message saying "those Tigger Uppercuts tickle."

 

[lemon__fresh]

Tiger Uppercut does 100 damage now. In fact it's pretty safe to start calling it Tigger Uppercut.

ohhhh! meh, if that's all I wouldn't be too worried. It wasn't exactly an integral part of his arsenal(damage wise) in the first place.