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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas
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Dunno exactly what they changed about PC, but in vanilla the hitbox was very far up so a bunch of weird shit can knock him out of it/trade (even in his ultra as well, see the akuma glitch or gief's lariat)haunts said:
For EX PC it has super armor in some spots (bison is fully extended but only for like 1 rotation) , invincibility frames in others (hit [but not throw] invulnerability right at startup), and flat out will lose in others (everywhere else). From what I've seen they've made it so it has super armor in all frames, like rog's ex dash punches.
Rice-Eater
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qcf x2 said:
Yeah it seems like 510 is as good as it gets compared to 600 in vanilla. I think that's what was said about Sagat's, Akuma, and Giefs Ultra 1. And those were the 3 of the 4 most damaging Ultras in SF4 I believe. So I just don't see anything doing more then 510 damage as far as Ultras are concerned.
sixteen-bit
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Rice-Eater said:
Yeah. At first I was looking at Makoto's 602 dmg combo that involves her super + ultra and I was like eh....you're giving up everything for damage that Viper could do while retaining 3 EX bars....
But then I put it in perspective. 602 dmg in SSF4 is like, I dunno, 750 or approaching 800 dmg in SSF4, from what I've seen.
I haven't seen solid stats, but from watching match videos and reading impressions, it's clear that the ultras deal lower damage all around.
FindMyFarms
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Threi said:
Bait reversals. just walk back and punish the whiff and keep goin. U 2 scurred of mashable reversals dawg. Japanese bisons have no probably stayin up in it even if they got meter. Plus if you're doing scissors trap and you got ultra and some tool mashes out a fierce uppercut, you get a phat punish.
Bison is VERY ground game dependent and you need to have a really strong footsie base to play him right, which is why you're probably having such a hard time with him.
sixteen-bit
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god forbid honda have something to deal with a formerly 7-3 matchuphaunts said:
Why did I know someone would say this...FindMyFarms said:
Baiting a reversal eases up on the pressure first of all, and is completely irrelevant to my point. You can bait any move of any character in the game, that is not what I am talking about. The point I am trying to make is every char is dangerous when they have EX bar because they can break pressure instantly, except for characters with a DP that can do it at any time. Taking the human element out of the game, the system skews very heavily towards those that have high priority mashable specials. Defensively the game is lopsided and I think the DP priority nerf rumor evens the playing field. This has nothing to do with any supposed "frustration" I have with bison or anything like that. All I am saying is the offensive threat of shotos and the like should happen when they have EX meter, just like everyone else in the game.
Saying "play better" is irrelevant to my point. Claw players can whoop on Sagat players all day if they "play better", that doesn't change the fact that those two are on opposite ends of the tier list for valid reasons.
SouthernDragon
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Can't Sagat just throw high tiger shots against Honda?
I really don't get the difference between the two types of ts
I really don't get the difference between the two types of ts
Lol,I think Honda used to be able to go over low tiger shot in older SF game as well.It's just that he couldn't do it in SF IV because of the hitbox or something.
I wanna main Juri,but it seem like she's going to require a lot of work and I mean a lot. :/
In theory there was a lot of things that sounded really good about her but if you take it into perspective and context of the game engine she's going to get beat out by some pretty retarded BS. At least that's the way I'm viewing it at the moment. Nothing is concrete with Juri until a good 3-6 months in the games release, imo. She's a potential character like Viper but its going to take time before we see anything incredibly good with her. I expect her placement on the tier list to fluctuate much like Viper.
It seem she probably won't end up top tier or have a hard time reaching it.She was probably nerfed several time over since they revealed her. :lol If anything,it's going to be fun to train and discover all that potential.
I wanna main Juri,but it seem like she's going to require a lot of work and I mean a lot. :/
In theory there was a lot of things that sounded really good about her but if you take it into perspective and context of the game engine she's going to get beat out by some pretty retarded BS. At least that's the way I'm viewing it at the moment. Nothing is concrete with Juri until a good 3-6 months in the games release, imo. She's a potential character like Viper but its going to take time before we see anything incredibly good with her. I expect her placement on the tier list to fluctuate much like Viper.
It seem she probably won't end up top tier or have a hard time reaching it.She was probably nerfed several time over since they revealed her. :lol If anything,it's going to be fun to train and discover all that potential.
Snapshot King
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I remember upon seeing the crazy shenanigans Sagat could do back in the day, telling a buddy of mine who loves Sagat "Man, you better play the SHIT out of him before a new version or a sequel comes out."
Oh, I want to drink the tears of all the Sagat players in the world. Free wins against Zangief is not fair =(
Oh, I want to drink the tears of all the Sagat players in the world. Free wins against Zangief is not fair =(
One thing she has going for her, it seems, is that she has an amazing crossup.kitzkozan said:It seem she probably won't end up top tier or have a hard time reaching it.She was probably nerfed several time over since they revealed her. :lol If anything,it's going to be fun to train and discover all that potential.
haunts said:
Don't worry Haunts; Juri's heavy hangers will comfort you.
I'm sure Magus is loving these Sagat changes.
Please tell me you guys are doing a stream this weekend or today. I always watch Keystone shit on my Plasma full screen. :lol
One of the best Evo interviews. Mag laying down the truth. :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kgg-hHjBFE
He went down to Saqs rose if I recall. :lol
gutabo said:Thanks! Well besides the 7-3 thing, I guess you won't be able to low tiger me that often and I won't be able to buttslam you that often either... it's almost fair
Headbutt invincibility wont save you from my Kara-Tickle Uppercuts on block tho!
edit: didnt see anything in the threads but on irc they said it was -5... Makes sense I guess? Either way I guess they are all unsafe now if they were -2 before...
CO_Andy said:
Nope.
GeoNeo said:
Oh yeah he knew Sagat nerf stick was coming for a while so hes been ragging on me about it for a long time now. :lol
No stream tonight or tomm tho, im kinda sick and no keystone tomm for some reason. X(
Get better soon, Bro.
Man, since Super is coming out here a few days after U.S. I hope you guys get a SSFIV launch stream going.
Anyways, Just wanted to say thanks again to all the Norcal KSII crew you guys are fucking funny as hell. And, Mag = my favorite commentator dude drops hella knowledge while commentating.
Man, since Super is coming out here a few days after U.S. I hope you guys get a SSFIV launch stream going.
Anyways, Just wanted to say thanks again to all the Norcal KSII crew you guys are fucking funny as hell. And, Mag = my favorite commentator dude drops hella knowledge while commentating.
~Devil Trigger~
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thats why Honda is the toughest SF character to balance out IMOHitokage said:
sixteen-bit
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"let's say Street Fighter IV doesn't get an update for like, 2 years..."GeoNeo said:
:lol
there's 1up game night at leasthaunts said:
record pls
gutter_trash
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just like in SF2... I see no problems with thathaunts said:
_dementia said:
i think they record all their broadcasts? not sure but i hope so.
gutter_trash said:
tbh i think the match will be more interesting now that he can do that but buttslams are unsafe. id rather deal with a headbutt spammer than someone who spams buttslams. that shit is so annoying even if you know how to get around it.
sixteen-bit
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maybe they'll patch a way for makoto to combo into UC2
Motion Picture Soundtrack
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Hitokage said:
The thread basically has no set topic with a bit of discussion about the newly released/announced songs every now and then.
Teknopathetic
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"maybe they'll patch a way for makoto to combo into UC2"
Weren't people saying that connects off AA fukiage?
Weren't people saying that connects off AA fukiage?
Motion Picture Soundtrack
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Ultra counter is so bad :lol. Gen's new mantis ultra looks kinda pointless too.
mjemirzian
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Motion Picture Soundtrack said:
I'm far from good at SF, but what's the point of a counter if it's choreographed ahead of time?
_dementia said:
I'm not sure she needs it. It seems fast enough to be a reliable punish ultra, and I think the combo involving her second ultra does more damage than combos involving her first, excluding the full super bar powerup (which IMO is not very practical).
From what I've seen I'd prefer the second ultra. It should be able to force opponents to keep honest at mid to long range. In close she's fine, from afar she's weak, so I'll take the ultra that helps her there.
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