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PHYLA AND MOONDRAGON FOR GUARDIANS 2!!!!
They should do something to make up for how dirty they did Phyla.
So dirty...
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The one thing you can't be in the Marvel Cinematic Universe -- Gay
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I wanted Phylla Vell in UMVC3 :-(
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If they don't follow through after all the hinting, I'm gonna be really upset.
This is incorrect.
Nearly 1 in 5 Americans have disabilities. As someone in a wheelchair, my rolemodels are limited and usually not truly disabled in real life.
I am envious of what's coming in Jessica. My people don't even get romantic relationships
........it's been a bad week.
No, because the reason for his refusal to see them isn't ambiguous enough to imply homosexuality. It's clearly stated that he's uncomfortable in the 21st century and has trouble connecting. I mean, you can ignore that and insist the subtext implies that he's actually gay (despite his clear interest in women and lack of interest in men throughout all his movies), but by that's shakey logic that presumes the notion that the only reason a man wouldn't want to constantly be sexing up a women is if he's not heterosexual.
But that wasn't the point. The point was, in some ways or another, their sexuality is generally made explicit that they aren't gay, and their sexuality can be an casual part of their character, even if it isn't a big part of it, like Banner. That should be the status for gay people. That their sexuality is just a casual part of their identity, where Black Widow can matchmake two guys just as easily as she tries to match make someone with Steve.
Them being friends would actually be interesting. Men as well as men/women having a deep friendship is kind of taboo for some reason.
Is it "token" to have a character simply be gay? does it really need to be meaningful? not exactly asking for a gay plotline here, just having a character is enough, and it doesn't even need to be obvious.
The idea that a sexual/racial minority has to have justification to exist in media is a troubling one.
Does a straight character have to be meaningful to exist? does a white one? what a ridiculous double standard.
I don't know maybe they had some source material to work from? I think the movies are adapted from a bunch of comics? That's what I've been told.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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No, they're just best bros. Bros til the end, yo. That's the depth of their love.
Plus, clearly
Wesley liked Vanessa and knew she was good for Fisk. He pretty much cheered that relationship on.
DonasaurusRex
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Vindicator , Phyla probably bi, Daken, Moondragon, didn't 2 xmen just get married a few years ago. There are gay characters they just havent been in the movies yet , have no idea what studio owns what.
I knew it was alpha flight , its Northstar not Vindicator. Isn't Mystique bi?
Also Scarlet Witches son Wiccan, Hulkling, Shatterstar
BronsonLee
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Yo you Daredevil spoiler bastards better beat it, I'll lay you all out in a second 
Hmm. This is making me want to go through all the movies and all the TV stuff so far and calculate the number of major, minor and background characters shown in heterosexual interactions and see if there's enough of them shown so far that statistically we ought to have seen more gays than we have; but I don't have the time or resources.
I will argue with the idea that 2% of people identifying as openly LGBT means that only 2% of romantic interaction ought to be between a man and a woman though. I mean, we don't have any real data on what percent of real world romantic interaction is same sex due to the number of closeted people and people who don't identify as LGBT but engage in homosexual acts. But this is getting kinda off topic.
The only LGBT character in The Flash show that I can think of is the police chief. And in the Arrow it is Canary and Nissa. Am I forgetting any?
It has been 7 years. And Marvel having a problem with representation in general, doesn't diminish its problems in this particular case. Since we are at it, were comes your complaining about entiztement from? Marvel caters to the most entitled group on the planet.
BronsonLee
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Those are the ones I'm thinking of as well.
Pied Piper is also gay on The Flash
No exactly main characters, wouldn't expect them in the Avengers for example.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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TV has been different but for the most part, this.
My sister and her friend were once fangirling over seeing certain relationships from the comics in the movies/tv, both hetero canon and gay fanfiction, and after thinking about it, even straight relationships are hardly even a thing that is acknowledged in the MCU, canon or not.
Like even Black Widow who almost plays surrogate love interest at times isn't to add anything more than a little sexual tension where needed then everyone goes back to acting like that didn't happen. Even the AoU trailers seem to tease something a little more going on between Banner and Romanov but I bet it doesn't even pan out to them even kissing or anything more than a mostly platonic connection.
My guess is that besides few established relationships, Pepper/Tony, Jane/Thor, etc., is that they feel working those relationships into storylines can get too messy and restricting in the movies. TV can be different since the long form storytelling lends itself more to that in combination with being the sort of drama that TV viewing audiences like to get invested in.
At least that has been my thoughts on sexuality in general in the MCU.
SuperEpicMan
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Wtf, it isn't incessant whining expecting realistic representation. I don't think it is an excuse either that the MCU is relatively young. They don't need to outright label a character as gay or what ever, but it can be inferred really easily. They have so many characters that they don't really have an excuse.
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There are quite a few LBGT Marvel characters, but most of them are part of the more recent and younger characters and aren't very known yet. I think we'll eventually get to them as the current cast ages, but it may take a while.
They should do a Runaways movie or series sooner rather than later.
They should do a Runaways movie or series sooner rather than later.
Since win?
From what I understand though, the OP wants a character that is explicitly gay. Can't be subtle or not obvious.
BronsonLee
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Pied Piper you son of a bitch! You evil hipster douchebag Harry Potter looking mofucka
..that's what I think of before his sexual orientation, because it's what should come up first
..that's what I think of before his sexual orientation, because it's what should come up first
StalkerUKCG
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Wouldn't making an existing character who is already straight gay to please a crowd be worse. They then imply it's a choice.
MCU doesn't have any gay characters because it doesn't have any gay characters there isn't some big fucking agenda here. My workplace has no gay staff. It's entirely the same.
MCU is introducing a lesbian relationship in AKA JJ.
Article is basically a quote from Steven that then gets malformed for the authors cause.
Ridiculous.
This whole topic stinks of making a scandal and pushing an agenda to conform beyond logic by adding a gay character to every single large franchise just for the sake of it.
MCU doesn't have any gay characters because it doesn't have any gay characters there isn't some big fucking agenda here. My workplace has no gay staff. It's entirely the same.
MCU is introducing a lesbian relationship in AKA JJ.
Article is basically a quote from Steven that then gets malformed for the authors cause.
Ridiculous.
This whole topic stinks of making a scandal and pushing an agenda to conform beyond logic by adding a gay character to every single large franchise just for the sake of it.
But was he explicit about it like the OP wants or do we just know that from the comics?
I disagree. This is a ludicrous double standard. If a bad guy is blowing stuff up and some dude is like 'please Hulk save my wife' that's cool, but for him to say 'please Hulk save my husband' would be cheap? That's crazy. The world doesn't, like, default to hetrosexuality. My existance in aspects of my life involving hetrosexuals doesn't require me to be intricately woven in.
Gotham should have been a Question series starring Renee Montoya.
He flirts with the Flash and his parents disowned him because of his sexuality.
Flash's boss Captain Singh is also gay and currently engaged to his partner.
DonasaurusRex
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You're right its Northstar
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Don't think anyone wants that but you can have "tasteful" representations like Captain Singh on the Flash.
The problem with the MCU is that it's pretty chaste. You can't compare AoS with the DC shows. They're on the CW. Is there any show on the network that doesn't have multiple relationship subplots?
Northstar
Shatterstar
Rictor
Wiccan
Hulkling
Those are some of the better known characters that I can think off the top of my head that identify as gay or lesbian. I think there's some that are bisexual, too. Whether they make it to the big screen is an entirely different thing though.
Shatterstar
Rictor
Wiccan
Hulkling
Those are some of the better known characters that I can think off the top of my head that identify as gay or lesbian. I think there's some that are bisexual, too. Whether they make it to the big screen is an entirely different thing though.
turn someone gay.
if hey can ignore basic stuff like Devil in a Bottle to a deleted scene, a less important feature like how they use their genitals in scenes that they can't show shouldn't be that unchangeable
I vote for Peter Parker to be gay. Now nerds are popular and they want him to be white, so he needs something for the bullying
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In today's cultural context YES, a gay character does need to be introduced in a meaningful (and to be frank: careful) way. When a gay character appears in media today, people take notice, and if it isn't handled properly, people will reject it. I'm not talking about haters, I'm talking about LGBT activism as well. They are going to want to see a gay character who is portrayed with care.
Once gay characters have been normalized in mass media, then you can just have people show up and be gay without having to portray it carefully.
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Serious question. Given the percentage of the population that is openly LGBT, isn't there largely an overrepresentation in modern media?
I mean, if someone's sexuality is literally boiled down 1 single sentence, one word, is it meaningful? I'd rather have them take time and effort in treating someone's sexuality as something worth paying attention to than a "oh yeah, he's gay, now BACK TO THE ACTION!" Make it important.
And I don't feel it is far that there aren't any LGBT characters.
1. The MCU is nearly seven years old, that is not "young" especially not when you are talking about films and TV. The reluctance towards LGBt characters is shown with their absence.
2. Disney aren't all that when
The MCU is nearly seven years old, there have been released ten feature films and four seasons of TV series. So no this isn't "too soon" and whilst you may not doubt Marvel I see no reason to trust them either.
I talk about this in the OP, that is a bad argument. They already have changed a lot from the comics so clearly slavishly following them to the letter isn't a requirement.
The OP clearly states that allusions or implications are not satisfying enough (and people have mentioned that these exist).
That's where the sense of entitlement comes from. Yeah, 7 years is a while, but Marvel is really just hitting its stride now and becoming the powerhouse necessary to become more autonomous.
I'm not well-versed in the comics, but I can't imagine it didn't take time to give minority representation there, either.
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They really should just have Captain America come out the closet for a twist at the end. Audience be like.
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No, this is a perfect reason. None of these characters are originally any part of the LGBT community. And your argument about Nick Fury is mute because he is black in some of the comics.
Sticking to the source at much as possible, especially for main characters, is what people want and expect.
Not only that but there aren't even that many good LGBT characters to begin with, and it will turn into a complete mess is they force it in just to say they did it. Then people would start bitching that the LGBT character was misrepresented or makes the community look bad
These are stories that don't revolve around characters that are part of the LGBT community. Do you really expect every writer to try to include every different portion of the population to make people happy?
I feel like this topic is just trying to stir the controversy pot.
When the time is right, there will be an LGBT character and this character will be amazing, like the other characters in the MCU. Lets just wait for them to do it right instead of shoehorning it in.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Parker's gonna be in high school in Spider-Man, bet we'll see some gay students or something.
Bet.
Bet.
Wiccan would be hard to introduce now unless they change his origins. Maybe like phase 4 though.
Why not both? What's the harm in acknowledging sexuality a little while they work on the detailed inclusions?
Oh, I just remembered the Apple Store guy who sorta maybe had a thing for Captain America! I liked that, thought it was well handled.
Eh...
Take that pool of openly LGBTQ characters, then remove all of the ones who sexuality is literally only there to play up for laughs.
When you do THAT, it's not really.
Modern Family seems like it must be a struggle for LGBTQ people to deal with. It feels like half of that show is really heartwarming and endearing when it comes to the gay couple, and the other half is "WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE TOO GAY!"
Wiccan is a guy? Who am I thinking of then? Isn't there another girl with powers very similar to Scarlet Witch?
Did you just accuse me of pushing "the gay agenda"? Ridiculous.
Not really no.
I don't know why people are saying there are no gay Marvel characters. There are plenty. The problem is that there are no big name gay characters. Also, a ton of the bigger names on that list are from alternate universes so it's like who gives a shit.
I don't exactly agree with turning a character gay for the sake of it, but I do agree that representation does matter. I'm much more inclined to be on the "why not" side of the fence.
I don't exactly agree with turning a character gay for the sake of it, but I do agree that representation does matter. I'm much more inclined to be on the "why not" side of the fence.
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We actually do, though. For example, porn sites produce statistics on the ratio of straight to gay porn viewed; this is why estimates at the LGB population are placed at 5-6% rather than the self-reported 2-3%.
It doesn't need to be important though, that's my point. You have representation and normality for LGBT people by just showing them as normal people, not making a big deal about it.
I mean, to be fair, as this thread has shown, it seems like they've been doing the latter and are really getting ready to hit the former hard.
I just don't want a moment where they decide to make, for example, Sunfire gay, then reduce his social interactions and keep him from things like bonding or relationships because he's "the gay one" and being as such doesn't fit the rest of the script.
Sure, but it's not like race or sex where inclusion is by having that person be there. There is no correct way to "be overtly gay". Mentioning it requires the conversation, and I really don't want to have an awkward scene where someone says, out of the blue, "yeah, I'm gay" and the response is, "...okay, no one was talking about that, but let's get back to the matter at hand". And I'm not saying that every gay or Bi character has to come out on a show or a movie, but I want it to be more than a throw away line.
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List updated, and I know there are more.
How would you suggest she mention it? Do they need to awkwardly drop in a "my wife" mention to make it clear?
I'm not saying there shouldn't be representation, nor do I want to suggest that the MCU is doing fine in that regard, but I also don't think there is some outright conscious ban on it like you're saying. There are tons of characters who very well could be gay, but there hasn't really been a reason to mention their sexuality in the first place. Selvig could be gay/bi, numerous characters on Agents of Shield could be gay/bi, but their sexuality isn't inherently relevant to anything going on at any given second.
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