Chuck Norris
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I'm sorry but I don't see what sexual orientation has to do with fictional superhero characters
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The one thing you can't be in the Marvel Cinematic Universe -- Gay
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It doesn't have anything to do with fictional super hero characters.
Which means they can theoretically be of any sexuality.
Which makes the fact they're all straight a little disappointing to gay fans.
Honestly as a minority group, all I want most is to adhere to the comics as much as possible. I really dislike it when they dont (guess who didn't like iron man 3).
PHYLA AND MOONDRAGON FOR GUARDIANS 2!!!!
They should do something to make up for how dirty they did Phyla.
So dirty...
My current wish is that it turns out that Gamora is gay (or at least bi) and they make her love interest Moondragon. I like Phyla-Vell but it's pretty unlikely we'll see her any time in the foreseeable future.
Napoleonthechimp
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This is my point too.
In real life most people don't explicitly announce themselves as gay or straight as soon as they meet a new person. Also, why does every character need to be one or the other. Can't they just not have relationships, or refer to past ones, during the course of the movie or series?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think it's important to realize that we are basically only ~15 years into having normalized gay characters in mass media (I'm dating that to when Ellen came out as gay in her sitcom, and it was a big deal).
I wonder if really young people grasp that this is literally the beginning ... And unfortunately we still have steps to take to ease the audience into it being seen as normal (invisible).
I think right now you have to acknowledge the homosexuality and write it with care, rather than trying to sneak it past the audience and just pretend like no one's going to notice.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
None.
The Stryker in the films is based on Reverend Stryker from X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills. Striker in Avengers Academy is a code name.
Whenever I first meet some one for the first time I am hoping my friends will lean over and go "pssst that person is *insert sexual orientation here*" just so I know.
no omfg
are you joking
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why would you even qualify your post with 'openly'? what does that have to do with anything? jaslfkja i cant
Messofanego
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I haven't rewatched the scenes with Captain America in the Marvel movies, but from what I remember, he could be gay. There are quite a few queries and blog posts about the possibility.
I haven't rewatched the scenes with Captain America in the Marvel movies, but from what I remember, he could be gay. There are quite a few queries and blog posts about the possibility.
I am telling you...read my post at #200 in this thread. With the success of Empire I bet this will be the post credit scene for Civil War.
I don't agree in the slightest. Being absolute fundamentalists with regards to the comics is according to me.
Nope, but I'm free to criticise them if I feel they're doing something wrong.
Yes and the personality and those traits would remain mostly the same if that character was gay. The MCU has already changed a lot from the comics so that isn't really an excuse.
But they've yet to make a new one either which is part of the problem
Like you say there are ways they could have done it without making it awkward, but yes cramming it in a scene where it doesn't really belong could have made it awkward.
TheKaeptain
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I haven't rewatched the scenes with Captain America in the Marvel movies, but from what I remember, he could be gay. There are quite a few queries and blog posts about the possibility.
I hate these types of articles so fucking much.
It's like they didn't even watch Cap 1.
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Because there's a big difference between the openly LGB population and the complete LGB population? That has quite a lot to do with how many LGB individuals you'd expect in a given group.
I'd genuinely actually be interested in what the breakdown of sexual orientation in dramas across the major American networks is.
Chuck Norris
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I suppose when I think on it a lot of the characters have been characterised by their relationship with women - in fact a lot of them have been given that playboy character - tony stark, professor x, star lord, even Captain America on pure looks
I suppose a gay character would add something fresh, but it feels off to hammer it into an existing character. Overall I don't think Marvel need to be persecuted for it, they work with mostly pre-existing material
Umm, they had Isabel (Hand's ex-GF in the comics) on the show. If they hadn't have decided to kill her off to after one episode, that's how you bring it in. It plays into her motivation, or she has a conversation with someone where it comes up. You can do it without it being "forced," just like all of the non-forced heterosexual conversations that we've seen in various things.
I haven't rewatched the scenes with Captain America in the Marvel movies, but from what I remember, he could be gay. There are quite a few queries and blog posts about the possibility.
This screams fan-fiction and desperate thinking.
Messofanego
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bahaha
there are things which you have to change when you are adapting from one medium to another. But things like race and sexuality are easy to get right.
I haven't rewatched the scenes with Captain America in the Marvel movies, but from what I remember, he could be gay. There are quite a few queries and blog posts about the possibility.
I really do hate that men aren't allowed to have close friendships without people insinuating that they're gay.
Prime crotch
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I too as a casual friend of gay people, would like to co-opt their struggle
The thing is, most men are can have close friends. It is just the vocal few out there that make it seem like one cannot. Same goes for a straight guy being friends with a straight woman. Just idiotic.
So, we've used sexual tension to establish that characters are hetero, right? Does that mean the same can be used to establish that characters are gay? That would mean that Fitz is as least bi, and Wesley and Mack are gay.
Otherwise, according to Marvel themselves, both Justin Hammer and Victoria Hand are gay. Obviously other characters in future projects will also be gay (such as the ones in AKA Jessica Jones).
Obviously Marvel isn't preventing gay characters in the MCU. Is this thread about how there isn't a superhero for whom 'gay' is a defining trait?
Otherwise, according to Marvel themselves, both Justin Hammer and Victoria Hand are gay. Obviously other characters in future projects will also be gay (such as the ones in AKA Jessica Jones).
Obviously Marvel isn't preventing gay characters in the MCU. Is this thread about how there isn't a superhero for whom 'gay' is a defining trait?
Joeys_Rattata
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In regards to the percentage of people who are LGBT in real life, there are lot of factors going into that. Most people seem to accept that 5% of the population is LGBT based on the US national average being around 3.5% and the remaining 1.5% are still in the closet.
I don't know if I exactly agree with that. Gallup polled every state in 2013 and found the national average was 3.5%. In more liberal states like Hawaii, California, Vermont, Washington, Oregon, etc. where the LGBT community is more accepted, that number hovered between 4 and 5%. But you have to take into account that even in the more liberal states, you still have people living in the closet, whether that be the older generation or young people who grew up in religious, conservative environments. Not as many people in the closet as say, Mississippi, but people still live in the closet in those states.
I think the best measure of the LGBT population comes from a recent survey by the Public Religion Institute because it only polled young people, who tend to be more open about their sexuality than older generations. Other findings from this poll were posted on GAF in its own topic. This poll found that 7% of people 18 to 35 identified as LGBT with 3% refusing to answer.
Among irreligious young people, that number jumped to 12% identifying as LGBT and among young democrats, the number was 10%. I think both of those numbers are slightly inflated due to the Republican party and religious organizations driving out the LGBT community, but still.
Also, 14% of young women regardless of how they identify said they were sexually attracted to other women, and 7% of young men said the same thing about men.
I don't think the number of LGBT people is quite at 10%, but I think it's higher than 5% considering the Gallup poll and the PRI poll. Unless you're telling me that every gay person in Hawaii, Oregon, and Maine is out of the closet.
Plus, 2012 exit polls showed that 5% of people who voted self identified as LGBT. I think it's pretty safe to say there were people in 2012 who voted who are LGBT but are still in the closet or in denial of their sexuality.
I don't know if I exactly agree with that. Gallup polled every state in 2013 and found the national average was 3.5%. In more liberal states like Hawaii, California, Vermont, Washington, Oregon, etc. where the LGBT community is more accepted, that number hovered between 4 and 5%. But you have to take into account that even in the more liberal states, you still have people living in the closet, whether that be the older generation or young people who grew up in religious, conservative environments. Not as many people in the closet as say, Mississippi, but people still live in the closet in those states.
I think the best measure of the LGBT population comes from a recent survey by the Public Religion Institute because it only polled young people, who tend to be more open about their sexuality than older generations. Other findings from this poll were posted on GAF in its own topic. This poll found that 7% of people 18 to 35 identified as LGBT with 3% refusing to answer.
Among irreligious young people, that number jumped to 12% identifying as LGBT and among young democrats, the number was 10%. I think both of those numbers are slightly inflated due to the Republican party and religious organizations driving out the LGBT community, but still.
Also, 14% of young women regardless of how they identify said they were sexually attracted to other women, and 7% of young men said the same thing about men.
I don't think the number of LGBT people is quite at 10%, but I think it's higher than 5% considering the Gallup poll and the PRI poll. Unless you're telling me that every gay person in Hawaii, Oregon, and Maine is out of the closet.
Plus, 2012 exit polls showed that 5% of people who voted self identified as LGBT. I think it's pretty safe to say there were people in 2012 who voted who are LGBT but are still in the closet or in denial of their sexuality.
They really should just have Captain America come out the closet for a twist at the end. Audience be like.
Twist? He was obvs in love with Bucky.
Captain: I'm not gonna fight you. You're my friend.
Bucky: You're my mission! You are my mission!
Captain: Then finish it. 'Cause I'm with you 'til the end of the line.
They are totally allowed and appreciated by people. Many people love platonic bromances. The just don't keep gushing about them.
Just a select minority population of the internet wants to project all their fantasy out from relations of attractive male characters.
I guess we just disagree on white and straight being "right".
Huh? I'm part of the LGBT community. I really don't understand what the fuck you're trying to say.
Maybe, maybe not. She will still kick your ass.
closeted lgbt people are still affected by queer representation as much as openly lgbt people
edit: I guess I read bornstellar's post as two separate statements. my point still stands, that there is NOT an overrepresentation and it's delusional to think so.
Great duo. But the fans of them also come in the pro-incest variety.
So bad that the brothers can't even have friends.
BKatastrophe
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They have some of the worst fans on the internet and that's saying something.
no what is right is characters being depicted as they are
I don't think so unless something's changed between the time he got it on with Abigail Brand and now. And in all-new x-men he was in love with Jean Grey.
No he said that to fuck with a reporter.
Napoleonthechimp
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Who is fucking who? Every character's sexual preferences must be known!
The characters in the MCU and the characters in the comics are separate entities. So if a character is white in the comics then that is how they are, if they are black in the films then that too is how they are.
Meanwhile, The Flash has had three gay characters, two of which were introduced as a couple and nonchalantly treated as no big deal (Singh and his partner), and the other whose sexuality was revealed only as an essential plot point to his backstory and not in any exploitative or tokenistic way (Pied Piper).
It also has a Hispanic supporting character (Cisco), and two black characters in major roles (Iris and Joe West), and its early flashbacks feature Barry being adopted into a black family (and again it's treated like no big deal). Some people had doubts about Iris' race being different from the comics, and now no one cares because the show is awesome.
It's not that hard, Marvel.
It also has a Hispanic supporting character (Cisco), and two black characters in major roles (Iris and Joe West), and its early flashbacks feature Barry being adopted into a black family (and again it's treated like no big deal). Some people had doubts about Iris' race being different from the comics, and now no one cares because the show is awesome.
It's not that hard, Marvel.
wow, surprise, representation actually matters to people who are marginalized and often left out
Then you should read the thread because people have broke that shit down real fucking simple
NobleXenon
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I noticed this a while ago watching "Agents of Shield." It was the episode title "Yes Man" where Lorelei was seducing a bunch of men for her army with her powers. The problem I found with it was that ALL of the men she was seducing happened to be heterosexual, which given statistics is extremely unlikely they were all straight. Thus having one or two men not fall to her powers. I was even half-expecting a one-off gay-joke but neither happened.
It was a very terrible episode regardless.
It was a very terrible episode regardless.
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