Neuromancer
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The Order 1886 Review Thread
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User 73706
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On the subject of HipHopGamer's race thing:
Isn't it pretty weird that they decided not to include a black Knight of the Round, though? I mean, Sir Morien probably would have made a pretty badass dude if he was slicing oncoming spears in half and shit. Guy was described as looking as "black as his armor." Could be a pretty awesome character design if Ready at Dawn had their hands on it. Are there any people of color at all in The Order? I sure as hell know they were around in Victorian England.
Isn't it pretty weird that they decided not to include a black Knight of the Round, though? I mean, Sir Morien probably would have made a pretty badass dude if he was slicing oncoming spears in half and shit. Guy was described as looking as "black as his armor." Could be a pretty awesome character design if Ready at Dawn had their hands on it. Are there any people of color at all in The Order? I sure as hell know they were around in Victorian England.
NullPointer
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How often does a game with God-tier graphics and backed by strong marketing bomb in terms of sales? I'd guess this game will do pretty damn well.
Whether they make enough to cover the costs of the game's long development cycle is another question.
Reminds me of some of the dumb shit he was saying when Destiny launched.
Lolwut?
Of all the things arthur should answer...
Disappointing, but perhaps only surprising to the extent of how low these scores have gotten for a "big budget exclusive". The previews and general impressions never really painted The Order as something that was going to set a new standard for third person shooters, but at the very least, I was expecting something that would average scores in the 70's to low 80's. And by that I mean a game that would be decently fun to play with a least some niche that made it stand out in the very crowded shooter genre. But the general vibe I've gotten from these reviews is "you've already played better games in this genre, and this game doesn't bring anything new to the table". Obviously I haven't played the game to confirm that, but if true, that's a damn shame.
He could be. An endless stream of platitudes without any critical faculties strikes me as a particularly lucrative line of work in the video game industry.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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On the subject of HipHopGamer's race thing:
Isn't it pretty weird that they decided not to include a black Knight of the Round, though? I mean, Sir Morien probably would have made a pretty badass dude if he was slicing oncoming spears in half and shit. Guy was described as looking as "black as his armor." Could be a pretty awesome character design if Ready at Dawn had their hands on it. Are there any people of color at all in The Order? I sure as hell know they were around in Victorian England.
I was hoping they'd have a badass Sikh knight, but I guess I'll have to wait for The Order: 1914 or The Order: 1945
Orthogonal
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By far, the best. Sunhi always delivers.
I haven't played the game yet and am still excited to do it, but this is brilliantly executed.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Isn't that the very job of game reviewers? At the end of their reviews they often say whether they think it's worth buying or not. That doesn't mean everyone has to follow what they say.
Baddass. The mustaches would be perfect.I was hoping they'd have a badass Sikh knight, but I guess I'll have to wait for The Order: 1914 or The Order: 1945
Gross and unprofessional:
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What an absolute dickish way to go about it.
Wait? McElroy?
Well then...
haha damn Opiate, that was an unusually razor edged comment from you lol
you cut deep as hell too when you do it hehe
I think it's fair to say when a game has terrible gameplay then the reviews are not going to be good. Historically speaking. Secondly a lot of the previews have shown pretty basic TPS elements and QTEs which the general gaming community are not very fond of. Yet The Order is full of these things. And I think these are things that someone at the top should have said "hey I don't think gamers like these things" and that they are probably going to have a negative reaction. These are things that could have easily been redesigned and saved The Order a long time before the game actually came out.
This has to be a joke.
CassidyIzABeast
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joecanada
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I have no love or hate for the game but what I definitely won't look forward to if it sells well are the destiny - esque threads about why did destiny sell so well?
And the usual shit tier posts
"people are stupid "
" f2p addiction complex"
" dudebros"
" bungie + acti "
These are actual responses just off the top of my head
Why not?
Freedom of speech; if you feel compelled to state your opinion on the low value proposition of a product, then you should be able to.
User 73706
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I was hoping they'd have a badass Sikh knight, but I guess I'll have to wait for The Order: 1914 or The Order: 1945
Maybe we'll get a cyborg George Washington Carver in The Order: 1776.
EDIT: well shit, Carver was actually alive during the events of 1886. Looks like that ship has sailed.
James Sawyer Ford
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And it's not? To be honest, a straightforward game of this type seems a bit rare these days. The vibe I'm getting from people playing the game (not necessarily critics, but also impressions here) is that it's a gorgeous game that sets a new visual standard, features quality production values, has fun core mechanics, but is still a little rough around the edges and not fleshed out enough. Overall, a strong core that with (hopefully) a sequel they can greatly expand and improve.
This gen more than ever my tastes have greatly diverged from what the critics have liked. They're pretty eager to be overly dismissive, yet the most fun I've had are from games like Destiny and DriveClub, that were generally panned by the critics.
Seems like new IPs in general have a ton of difficulty this generation. Critics have an impossibly high standard for them to come out of the gate and be best in class, meanwhile games that have stagnated for years continue to come out and receive positive review scores. Why the double standard exists, I have no clue, but it's a bit frustrating witnessing it.
Sho_Nuff82
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He's saying that game criticism is a terrible thing, because people make games to make a living. So saying bad things about games that make people not want to buy them is taking food out of children's mouths. Won't someone please think of the children?
It's only when you step back and realize that this kind of bland consumer cowardice can be applied to anything, that you realize he's just extremely sensitive about anyone knocking his favorite games.
MastaKilla
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the true shame in this is Sony finally spent money to put some damn tv ads out there.. and well it doesn't look like it was warranted. i pre-ordered and look forward to playing the game tomorrow nonetheless.
Not to get too spoilery, but yeah there actually are women of color that play a prominent role.
Hip hop gamer trying harder for that complimentary review copy than you're working on being remodded.
I kinda like HH's quote. I get what he is arguing now. Thanks for posting that.
MrCompletely
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which is hilarious, considering his whole (extremely thin) argument is hinged on his misinterpretation of a Polygon article from last November and a misunderstanding of the definition of critical.
Absolutely. People are out there making a living making toilet paper; people are out there making a living putting tea bags together; people are out there putting dell computers together; people are out there making soap operas.
Any time you publicly state that any of these products is poorly manufactured, you endanger the jobs of those who make them. By this logic, you should literally never criticize anything ever, because it could potentially endanger the job of whoever made that thing.
As you state, this attitude is indistinguishable from a corporate shill.
The first step should always be coming up with a gameplay concept that you are confident is enjoyable. Once that foundation is established you can start thinking of all the other stuff.
The Sarcastic Dude
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A reviewer's job is to evaluate the game. Analyze the pros and cons. The reader can then make their judgement based off of the content of the review whether or not they should buy the game.
I know this is just a congenial jab, but Amirox and I have been friends for quite some time now. Since before I was a mod, let alone before he lost his own moderator status.
I didn't mean to offend. Just generate some laughs.
User 73706
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Oh, that's cool. I look forward to seeing their in-game contributions when that sort of stuff ends up online.
Monster Zero
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Lol, this hip hop gamer knows his audience, I give him that
What an absolute dickish way to go about it.
Wait? McElroy?
Well then...
I don't disagree with this general sentiment, but I find that many people are only "lol games journalism" when games journalism is intensely critical of a game they like or a game they haven't played yet but which they are greatly anticipating.
I would argue that whatever problems game journalism has are significantly fueled by precisely this behavior; when the audience that consumes game journalism becomes intensely hostile whenever they review a game poorly -- the Nintendo fans get upset any time a big Nintendo IP gets a bad review, the Sony fans get upset whenever a big Sony IP gets a bad review, and so forth -- then the logical end result will be muted criticism.
And that, I think, is the most reasonable criticism of games journalism, if there is any criticism at all; they are reluctant to harshly review and preview games, particularly games that have a lot of hype, because many people who have been anticipating a particular game for years don't want to have their parade rained on.
You didn't offend. I like your posts a great deal.
What an absolute dickish way to go about it.
Wait? McElroy?
Well then...
Clearly a joke. He runs a comedy podcast on the side; the guys knows a thing or two about goofs. Personally, I think that tweet's hilarious, especially because if you listen to the episode of Quality Control where he talks about his review of it or read is review, the game's length isn't even close to the top of his list with problems with the game.
Sho_Nuff82
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A review of a consumer product is to tell you if the product is worth buying, full stop. This goes for phones, TVs, computers, movies, books, cars, hell, even yelp restaurant reviews.
Analyze the pros and cons. Then, in the conclusion, state whether they think it's worth a purchase.
oneils
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Gross and unprofessional:
Journalists are taking the piss now at this stage. Not fair on the devs who spent 5 years of their lives creating this game.
Huh? They are not allowed to tell a joke? Besides have you ever seen a 2 minute movie trailer that manages to spoil the entire movie? Maybe he actually isn't telling a joke but properly warning everyone.
While I might argue that some sites definitely do suffer from this (IGN in particular, as much as I like a lot of the people there, seem to give most big games a pass just on the merit of being big games), I think that some sites, and Polygon in particular, AREN'T afraid to be intensely critical of a game, no matter its popularity. Honestly, I think that's why a lot of people don't like Gies; he says criticisms that I usually find really valid once I think about them that a lot of people are afraid to say.
Pleae don't let ignorance speak on behalf of us. I apologize as a fan of Hip Hop for this cretin.
cleveridea
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I see the value of YouTube 1080p now
It is a good thing something unambitious like this is rare. If it were common the industry would be worse of.
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