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[Days like these...]

I've never really seen it but I'm not a fan of sitcoms. In fact I dislike most sitcoms but the ones I do like are....

Three's Company

Married with Children

All in the Family

The Jeffersons

Those four are the only ones I like and pretty much in order since Three's Company is definitely my favorite.

As for Charlie Sheen, he did get kind of weird. Was it drugs or something?

Sanford and Son was the Goat.

 

[Lord Panda]

Wait ... Astrology?! WTF.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

including some antisemitism aimed at him

As a Jew who likes Charlie Sheen, I am disappoint.

 

[Toons]

Every single SW trilogy has been centered around strong, independent, critical women. Plus, Rey achieved full actualization in the last movie - what else is left? Is there going to be an Order 67 or 68 to kill off all men entirely?
I am all for female leads, but I hope this next trilogy has more than just that leg to stand on. As it's been marketed so far, it sounds boring as hell.

It hasn't been marketed lol.

Bounding into comics is, to say the least, imcredibly biased against this sort of thing. They're gonna be running hits on this movie and anyone surrounding it for the next 2 years or so.

That aside, I dont actually see anything wrong with what she said, especially in a post weinstein perspective. She's not entirely wrong, but im hoping she can bring more than just retrospectives to the project.

Uhhh my dude last jedi was written by a male, a male who is a star wars fan since childhood. Claudia gray wrote the character in some book or something and didn't design her appearance in the film. She also didn't create the character, rian Johnson did, and Claudia wrote the character in a tie in novel that released after her development but before the release of the last jedi. that tweet is straight up misinformation. She had nothing at all to do with holdos creation lol

None of the people hate Leia or Laurie strode or anything like that. Holdo is literally written to be unlikable in the movie so you suspect she's a turncoat. She also doesn't replace akbar in the movie, akbar died with like 7 other characters on screen and is an unimportant side character only known for a meme(and showing up in clone wars and rogue one).

Those are my nephews you just conveniently ignored my post

You ... said they watched tfa. beyond d that I dont know if they'll wanna see the movie or not. But I know that star wars usually does pretty well in the BO regardless and this character was central to one of the highest grossing films of the last 15 years so its a big stretch to assume no one at all will be interested.

 

[BadBurger]

It hasn't been marketed lol.

Bounding into comics is, to say the least, imcredibly biased against this sort of thing. They're gonna be running hits on this movie and anyone surrounding it for the next 2 years or so.

That aside, I dont actually see anything wrong with what she said, especially in a post weinstein perspective. She's not entirely wrong, but im hoping she can bring more than just retrospectives to the project.



Uhhh my dude last jedi was written by a male, a male who is a star wars fan since childhood. Claudia gray wrote the character in some book or something and didn't design her appearance in the film. She also didn't create the character, rian Johnson did, and Claudia wrote the character in a tie in novel that released after her development but before the release of the last jedi. that tweet is straight up misinformation. She had nothing at all to do with holdos creation lol

None of the people hate Leia or Laurie strode or anything like that. Holdo is literally written to be unlikable in the movie so you suspect she's a turncoat. She also doesn't replace akbar in the movie, akbar died with like 7 other characters on screen and is an unimportant side character only known for a meme(and showing up in clone wars and rogue one).



You ... said they watched tfa. beyond d that I dont know if they'll wanna see the movie or not. But I know that star wars usually does pretty well in the BO regardless and this character was central to one of the highest grossing films of the last 15 years so its a big stretch to assume no one at all will be interested.

I am so glad I am not the type to fall into the trappings of outrage YouTubers and their ilk. What's really funny is most of these guys who are going crazy on YouTube would look almost exactly like this Claudia Gray if they shaved off their neckbeards - someone BTW who almost no one would even know about if they themselves weren't raging about her. The little make believe stories they make up is kind of amusing though, in a "hey look at what these dorks are raging about now" kind of way.

Anyways, looking forward to the movie, more Star Wars and all that.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Sanford and Son was the Goat.

Ya Big Dummeh!

 

[Days like these...]

Ya Big Dummeh!

 

[Dr. Claus]

It hasn't been marketed lol.

Bounding into comics is, to say the least, imcredibly biased against this sort of thing. They're gonna be running hits on this movie and anyone surrounding it for the next 2 years or so.

That aside, I dont actually see anything wrong with what she said, especially in a post weinstein perspective. She's not entirely wrong, but im hoping she can bring more than just retrospectives to the project.



Uhhh my dude last jedi was written by a male, a male who is a star wars fan since childhood. Claudia gray wrote the character in some book or something and didn't design her appearance in the film. She also didn't create the character, rian Johnson did, and Claudia wrote the character in a tie in novel that released after her development but before the release of the last jedi. that tweet is straight up misinformation. She had nothing at all to do with holdos creation lol

None of the people hate Leia or Laurie strode or anything like that. Holdo is literally written to be unlikable in the movie so you suspect she's a turncoat. She also doesn't replace akbar in the movie, akbar died with like 7 other characters on screen and is an unimportant side character only known for a meme(and showing up in clone wars and rogue one).



You ... said they watched tfa. beyond d that I dont know if they'll wanna see the movie or not. But I know that star wars usually does pretty well in the BO regardless and this character was central to one of the highest grossing films of the last 15 years so its a big stretch to assume no one at all will be interested.

 

[Days like these...]

You ... said they watched tfa. beyond d that I dont know if they'll wanna see the movie or not. But I know that star wars usually does pretty well in the BO regardless and this character was central to one of the highest grossing films of the last 15 years so its a big stretch to assume no one at all will be interested.

Yeah, that's how little interest they have in star wars that they didn't even bother with the other 2. I'm not sure what alternate reality you exist in where the sequel trilogy has a massive following but we'll just have agree to disagree.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Yeah, that's how little interest they have in star wars that they didn't even bother with the other 2. I'm not sure why alternate reality you exist in where the sequel trilogy has a massive following but we'll just have agree to disagree.

Ideology. Makes it easy to ignore reality to supplant it with their own. They don't want to admit that it was a massive failure and that their ideological views that were shoehorned into the films were the main reason why. It is like a cult. They desperately want to think that the next generation will be carrying that idiotic torch of theirs.

 

[Days like these...]

Ideology. Makes it easy to ignore reality to supplant it with their own. They don't want to admit that it was a massive failure and that their ideological views that were shoehorned into the films were the main reason why. It is like a cult. They desperately want to think that the next generation will be carrying that idiotic torch of theirs.

I know it's been repeated ad nauseum but all they had to do was not shit on the OG characters while trying to pass the baton.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So who's going to be the big bad in this?

A straight white malien.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I know it's been repeated ad nauseum but all they had to do was not shit on the OG characters while trying to pass the baton.

Not even that. I was fine if they wanted to make Luke into a bitter failure or even a gray jedi after years of contemplation - but it had to make logical sense. The issue is, nothing made logical sense. They turned the very real, generally more "realistic" threat of the Empire in the OT into a cartoony Nazi over the top joke in the ST. Luke, Han, Leia, Biggs, Wedge, Ackbar, they all felt natural in that world. No one felt natural in ST. It all felt forced.
It was all ideologically driven. They didn't care about making a well told story or even an entertaining one. They wanted to force their views and use the film as their personal soapboxes.

 

[Toons]

Yeah, that's how little interest they have in star wars that they didn't even bother with the other 2. I'm not sure what alternate reality you exist in where the sequel trilogy has a massive following but we'll just have agree to disagree.

The one where every movie made a billion dollars even after tlj supposedly ruined the entire franchise? The one where a literally theme park based around the st exists and prints money for Disney each year.

The real one.

Ideology. Makes it easy to ignore reality to supplant it with their own. They don't want to admit that it was a massive failure and that their ideological views that were shoehorned into the films were the main reason why. It is like a cult. They desperately want to think that the next generation will be carrying that idiotic torch of theirs.

See above lol.

Someone's in denial. Its just not me. The moment you guys began to do mental gymnastics so far that back to back billion dollar films, well over a billion in pure profits when all is "failure", the argument was already over.

I mean... even the audience score for rise of Skywalker, which i consider the worst of the 3, is like 86% on RT. The audience score anyone can post on. It doesn't go below a 6 on IMDB. Normies liked the movies lol. It just is what it is. You dont have to like it. But many, many many people did snd will be back for a second go in a few years.

 

[Days like these...]

The one where every movie made a billion dollars even after tlj supposedly ruined the entire franchise? The one where a literally theme park based around the st exists and prints money for Disney each year.

The real one.



See above lol.

Someone's in denial. Its just not me. The moment you guys began to do mental gymnastics so far that back to back billion dollar films, well over a billion in pure profits when all is "failure", the argument was already over.

I mean... even the audience score for rise of Skywalker, which i consider the worst of the 3, is like 86% on RT. The audience score anyone can post on. It doesn't go below a 6 on IMDB. Normies liked the movies lol. It just is what it is. You dont have to like it. But many, many many people did snd will be back for a second go in a few years.

You're word salad completely ignored the fact that the sequel trilogy does not have a massive following no one said it didn't make money no one is denying that a theme park/attraction was built. No one gives a shit about Rey, or the Asian girl, or Finn after they made him a simp nobody with the bait and switch

 

[dave_d]

Not even that. I was fine if they wanted to make Luke into a bitter failure or even a gray jedi after years of contemplation - but it had to make logical sense. The issue is, nothing made logical sense. They turned the very real, generally more "realistic" threat of the Empire in the OT into a cartoony Nazi over the top joke in the ST. Luke, Han, Leia, Biggs, Wedge, Ackbar, they all felt natural in that world. No one felt natural in ST. It all felt forced.
It was all ideologically driven. They didn't care about making a well told story or even an entertaining one. They wanted to force their views and use the film as their personal soapboxes.

Well to be fair I mean sure they could have used 30-40 minutes of the movie to go over how Luke went the way he did. You know, where he would try to re-found the Jedi order but ended up failing and going down a similar path as Yoda. (To link those characters together.) But I mean what pointless wastes of time could they have possibly cut out of the Last Jedi to get that much time to put that in?
(knock knock)
Wait a sec there's somebody at the door, I got to go talk to them
....
You sure?
....
Ok I'll tell them

Anyway a random Star Wars fan just showed up, because they show up all the time anytime anyone is discussing Star Wars, and he said (they're always guys btw) that if they cut out Canto Bight section, where nothing happened, they could have better used the time going over what Luke was doing after Return of the Jedi and failing with the new Jedi order and turning into sort of a Yoda like character.

 

[Dr. Claus]

The one where every movie made a billion dollars even after tlj supposedly ruined the entire franchise? The one where a literally theme park based around the st exists and prints money for Disney each year.

The real one.



See above lol.

Someone's in denial. Its just not me. The moment you guys began to do mental gymnastics so far that back to back billion dollar films, well over a billion in pure profits when all is "failure", the argument was already over.

I mean... even the audience score for rise of Skywalker, which i consider the worst of the 3, is like 86% on RT. The audience score anyone can post on. It doesn't go below a 6 on IMDB. Normies liked the movies lol. It just is what it is. You dont have to like it. But many, many many people did snd will be back for a second go in a few years.

You are literally delusional and so out of touch that you have to rely on strawman arguments because you have none yourself. No one is saying the movies didn't make money - they did. They also dropped harder than previous films, as has been shown and stated in numerous star wars threads since. The return of investment continued to drop precipitously from film to film since Disney's take over. A franchise that once had merch lining entire aisles barely has merch that can fill a small section of *one* in most stores.

Keep being a delusional Ideologue, Toons. GAF isn't Twitter - we have brains. I would suggest you use yours and engaging honestly instead of this sad excuse of a response.

 

[Toons]

You're word salad completely ignored the fact that the sequel trilogy does not have a massive following

Prove it.

Bevause form my point of view things without a following dont make money year over year with a theme park based on it. They dorn continue to drive revenue off of merchandise, tie ins, various household items with following ren plastered on it.

You are literally delusional and so out of touch that you have to rely on strawman arguments because you have none yourself. No one is saying the movies didn't make money - they did. They also dropped harder than previous films, as has been shown and stated in numerous star wars threads since. The return of investment continued to drop precipitously from film to film since Disney's take over. A franchise that once had merch lining entire aisles barely has merch that can fill a small section of *one* in most stores.

You said, verbatim, the trilogy was a "failure". You can't claim it was a critical failure. You can't claim it was a commercial failure. So what exactly, are you claiming it failed at? Wheres this strawman?

It dropped off "harder" because the first movie did exponentially better than any star wars film before it, more than even Disney was expecting. They actually were preparing to take a loss on that movie and build back their investment over time. Instead they made 800 million dollars hard profits. So yeah the others dropped off compared to that lol. They still made more profits than any of the prior movies did.

Star wars hadn't been clearing isles of anything for 10 years before Disney bought them, the only thing star wars had, for YEARS, was a cartoon series that was better than the movies it was based on and a couple 7/10 games that came and went. But if you're taking about toys, as a toy collector, toys are a much smaller piece of the pie in general. Kids just don't buy them as much and that goes for every franchise even MCU. Kids are playing with tablets and phones and video games far more than they are toys. It would look exactly the same any other way.

Keep being a delusional Ideologue, Toons. GAF isn't Twitter - we have brains. I would suggest you use yours and engaging honestly instead of this sad excuse of a response.

I'll ask again since you seem to have lost the plot of your own argument, or are backtracking from it. By what metric is any of this a failure? It objectively isn't a financial one, a commercial one or a critical one. Not even amongst normal moviegoers. It has a larger marketing presence than any of the star wars films before it. Its first entry made more profit than most of the MCU movies even manage, and I'm talking pre endgame.

I keep seeing the same folks say "trust me no one likes these movies no one watches them no one thinks about them trust me bro" and asking me to ignore literally every piece of reality that screams otherwise. Sorry, but that isn't going to happen and you need a lot more than these highly biased anecdotes to make that claim.

 

[Days like these...]

Prove it.

The onus is on you. Youre the one living in an alternate reality where the sequel trilogy has a massive following and people love it as much if not more than the original trilogy. You prove it.

 

[Toons]

The onus is on you. Youre the one living in an alternate reality where the sequel trilogy has a massive following and people love it as much if not more than the original trilogy. You prove it.

Never said this bolded stuff.

Having a following tho? Yeah it has a following. I've already proved that. Star wars, in general, has a massive following and the ST, despite its mixed reception on line wasn't snd isn't magically absolved from that.

 

[Goalus]

I could see the movie succeed if they find a way to bring back Admiral Holdo who can then lecture the male characters on every other occasion throughout the movie. Seeing her fending off vicious attempts of coordinated mansplaining by cis white males would be the dream.

 

[Days like these...]

I could see the movie succeed if they find a way to bring back Admiral Holdo who can then lecture the male characters on every other occasion throughout the movie. Seeing her fending off vicious attempts of coordinated mansplaining by cis white males would be the dream.

I'd be there day one!

 

[EviLore]

Bickering deleted. No one wants to read that. Stay civil with each other and be constructive.

 

[Madflavor]

I could see the movie succeed if they find a way to bring back Admiral Holdo who can then lecture the male characters on every other occasion throughout the movie. Seeing her fending off vicious attempts of coordinated mansplaining by cis white males would be the dream.

The most amazing thing to me regarding The Last Jedi is how even a lot of the fans who like or even love the film, admit the whole Resistance side of the story was badly written. That's half the movie. How can you love a film and think it's one of the best Star Wars movies, but also think half of it was nonsense?

I know there are fans who love every moment of the film, but based on what I've seen there's toooons of TLJ fans who won't defend things like Holdo, the Casino planet, Rose's laughable line at the end, and etc regarding the Resistance.