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[Days like these...]

What stench? Is this a good morning I hate women thing or she talked shit about some movement? Cause if its for the acting, mediocrity is most star wars actors

Calm down there big fella it's a "I hated the sequels even the ones I didn't watch and the protagonist from them is coming back"

 

[Happosai]

Actually, I'm in agreement with Teletraan. Kev did in fact make a strawman post and did so by interjecting vs being part of the original conversation (though, admittedly this is on a public forum). Point is, not exactly an amazing way to greet a new person, in particular given the subject of the conversation.

My first post was a couple weeks back...I wasn't aware the thread was still buzzing.

Anyway, thank you for giving a fair response. I mean, topic by OP is a twist for myself to step into which is why I nearly posted contrarily myself. However, KevKev's not really new -- he's been a forum member longer than myself. The minority of posts in this thread we knew would be in favor of OP topic. I feel within forum discussion there's a fine line between constructing criticism and berated labeling...which is what Teletraan started and someone else chimed into after. Overall, I respect the respectable members of the forum and it seemed like Tele was triggered by ManaByte 's post about listening to the YouTube mob.
That's a subtopic within itself but YouTubers are going to be relatively divided on the topic of anything to do with Disney Star Wars. You'll have those like CriticalDrinker who are going to tell you everything wrong with it without balancing out "what could have been better." Then you have those YouTubers supporting the new franchise without pointing out how flawed it is. Sometimes to develop our own opinions on a topic like 'Sequel trilogy', we do need to tone out biased reviews, social media and YouTube. Throwing a blanket statement about YouTube isn't that bad. It's the last place I'd go to get it sneak peek at an upcoming film or TV show.

I'd rather read into imdb, check some production articles and if I really want to see it...I'll watch it and publish an opinion rather than a review.

TL;DR KevKev doesn't like it when someone trash talks a fellow member and I guess I didn't feel that was a fair balance either. We're not a polarized forum and tend to welcome views from the negative & positive within a respectable manner.

 

[Chiggs]

You'll have those like CriticalDrinker who are going to tell you everything wrong with it without balancing out "what could have been better."

Yeah, you mean the guy that literally made these series of videos?








Thanks for the keen observation, Mr. Research.

 

[Happosai]

Yeah, you mean the guy that literally made these series of videos?








Thanks for the keen observation, Mr. Research.

I'm not going back to discuss this further, thanks.

Drinker did well but again, if one cares enough about cinema. Just read a book on it, watch documenturies on filmmaking and you'll have your 'own' fixes to movies you don't like. Because it's easier if we ourselves do the critical think with evaluated research, analysis and come to our own conclusion.

Respectfully,

- Mr. Research

 

[Dr. Claus]

I'm not going back to discuss this further, thanks.

Drinker did well but again, if one cares enough about cinema. Just read a book on it, watch documenturies on filmmaking and you'll have your 'own' fixes to movies you don't like. Because it's easier if we ourselves do the critical think with evaluated research, analysis and come to our own conclusion.

Respectfully,

- Mr. Research

I agree, but you still made a claim that was utter bullshit and instead of admitting that you were wrong you are running away.

Do better.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Yes, yes, that’s all very fine and good but I’m going to say something unpopular: MLB seriously needs to expand the playoffs. This system sucks plain and simple and it is eroding the game. There, I’ve said it. I feel better.

 

[Toons]

I'm not going back to discuss this further, thanks.

Drinker did well but again, if one cares enough about cinema. Just read a book on it, watch documenturies on filmmaking and you'll have your 'own' fixes to movies you don't like. Because it's easier if we ourselves do the critical think with evaluated research, analysis and come to our own conclusion.

Respectfully,

- Mr. Research

TCD doesn't even understand basic character writing lol. You aren't missing anything.

 

[DKehoe]

Yeah, you mean the guy that literally made these series of videos?








Thanks for the keen observation, Mr. Research.

That fake accent

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

TCD doesn't even understand basic character writing lol. You aren't missing anything.

Says the fan of all things Disney, Marvel and Star Wars…

 

[Lord Panda]

Plenty care about Rey.
Many of them just look more like this:

Than like this:

That girl in that picture will be a young adult. That girl in the video will be an older teen. They're all gonna go see this even if all the adults may not want to(and let's be honest. Most hardcore star wars fans will see it still.)

While most of us understand that the Star Wars sequel trilogy was obviously designed to cater to 'modern' audiences, it's important to recognise that well-crafted stories and characters should be capable of appealing to both new and long-time fans. The original trilogy stands as a prime example of this. Unfortunately, the sequel trilogy appeared to prioritise alienating the existing fanbase and undermining cherished characters and lore, raising the question of why such an approach was taken, and what Kathleen Kennedy and her team were even thinking. J.J. Abrams took the same flashy, brain-dead, hard and fast approach to Star Trek, another beloved and established franchise. In more thoughtful and reverent hands, the Star Wars universe could have been expanded to attract a wider audience while simultaneously respecting and enriching the established universe. This potential is evident in various supplementary materials, such as the Clone Wars and Rebels series.

A tangential thought: Can you imagine a Disney production for Dune? Directed by Abrams and written by Orci and Kurtzmann? Or conversely, a Star Wars / Star Trek handled by someone like Denis Villeneuve.

 

[FunkMiller]

TCD doesn't even understand basic character writing lol. You aren't missing anything.

Eh. That's a bit unfair. Jordan has published a relatively well constructed series of Lee Child/James Patterson type thrillers. He's by no means a story telling genius (the books seem to be by and large pretty rote and unimaginative), but he does understand the basics of narrative and character. Some of his analyses are very valid and well presented. Where he tends to come unstuck is when he gets far too obsessed with the politics of it all - which is understandable because that appeals to his YouTube audience, but rather undercuts his critical thinking.

 

[Scotty W]

They will keep making them until they become unprofitable.

Then they will make the George Lucas trilogy, and then add to that.

Then they will combine them in a multiverse.

Then they will tie it to an augmented reality game to sell you stuff and coax you into political activism.

 

[Nankatsu]

Calling it now, Rey has had a force child, and this child is actually "the chosen one", not Anakin

She got pregnant through the force, as she is a very independent woman and doesn't need men.

 

[Panajev2001a]

While most of us understand that the Star Wars sequel trilogy was obviously designed to cater to 'modern' audiences, it's important to recognise that well-crafted stories and characters should be capable of appealing to both new and long-time fans. The original trilogy stands as a prime example of this. Unfortunately, the sequel trilogy appeared to prioritise alienating the existing fanbase and undermining cherished characters and lore, raising the question of why such an approach was taken, and what Kathleen Kennedy and her team were even thinking. J.J. Abrams took the same flashy, brain-dead, hard and fast approach to Star Trek, another beloved and established franchise. In more thoughtful and reverent hands, the Star Wars universe could have been expanded to attract a wider audience while simultaneously respecting and enriching the established universe. This potential is evident in various supplementary materials, such as the Clone Wars and Rebels series.

A tangential thought: Can you imagine a Disney production for Dune? Directed by Abrams and written by Orci and Kurtzmann? Or conversely, a Star Wars / Star Trek handled by someone like Denis Villeneuve.

Agreed, while not perfect, Picard season 3 proved you can build new characters without shitting on your legacy.

Jack + (somehow) Shaw + Seven of Nine and some small cameos can totally drive a new Star Trek series, they built them and gave the TNG crew a great send off .

 

[MagnesD3]

The foolish masses will probably support this because of brand name alone but it most likely will sell alot less tickets than the ST. I know I won't watch anything until Dave Filonis Ahsoka movie lol, he's the only one there that knows star wars, hopefully Disney let's him do what he wants.

 

[LRKD]

I will not watch Mando, I will not watch Book of Boba, I will not watch Andor, I will not buy EA Star Wars Jedi, I will not buy EA Star Wars Jedi 2, I will not watch the Sequel sequel trilogy.

Everything Disney had done was so bad I just don't even want to hear about Star Wars anymore, I don't even care if they're good anymore it's too late. A lot of people on the projects hated the fans, Disney treated George Lucas like shit. I'd call it corporate fan fiction, but most of them aren't even fans of StarWars. I pray for Star Wars to be retired as a brand entirely.

 

[DeafTourette]

The foolish masses will probably support this because of brand name alone but it most likely will sell alot less tickets than the ST. I know I won't watch anything until Dave Filonis Ahsoka movie lol, he's the only one there that knows star wars, hopefully Disney let's him do what he wants.

Ashoka is a show... The movie will culmination of Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew and Boba (or whatever the next series they use) and that will end the whole thing. The movie is the end of their stories.

 

[Lord Panda]

Andor

Andor is damn great. It's a slow burn, and a bit jank here and there, but it's one of the best Star Wars shows out there.

 

[Toons]

I will not watch Mando, I will not watch Book of Boba, I will not watch Andor, I will not buy EA Star Wars Jedi, I will not buy EA Star Wars Jedi 2, I will not watch the Sequel sequel trilogy.

Everything Disney had done was so bad I just don't even want to hear about Star Wars anymore, I don't even care if they're good anymore it's too late. A lot of people on the projects hated the fans, Disney treated George Lucas like shit. I'd call it corporate fan fiction, but most of them aren't even fans of StarWars. I pray for Star Wars to be retired as a brand entirely.

Theres a whole lot wrong with this comment but saying most of them aren't even fans when filoni is continuously been promoted and has hired and worked with a lot of the folks surrounding this stuff is hilarious. Dude bleeds star wars. A whole lot of the crew do.

Further, I'm gonna be honest with you. I dont think Lucas' trilogy would be any better than what we got. Id bet money it would be worse given the direction hrd claimed he wanted to go.

The guy has some cool ideas and world building concepts but as a storyteller it's been repeatedly displayed hes just not great at it. He needs someone to keep him in check at almost all angles.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ashoka is a show... The movie will culmination of Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew and Boba (or whatever the next series they use) and that will end the whole thing. The movie is the end of their stories.

Yes but the Ahsoka part of the movie is what I care about which is why I mentioned it.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Wait, what?

 

[-Zelda-]

Instead of that garbage ST, this is what they should have done in the first place.
45 year gap, new Jedi order. That way, the legacy of the OT crew is not tarnished.
EDIT: Nevermind, I have no intention of seeing this.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I think it would have been better if Kylo and Rey started a grey balanced Jedi order. They should have also gone with the treatment george lucas wrote for episodes 7, 8, and 9

 

[AJUMP23]

Wait, what?

 

[Madflavor]

I don't even remember all that much from the ST except for the highlights. I enjoyed TFA despite it's obvious flaws, but I saw both TLJ and TROS only once. I just remember them being pretty awful. My biggest problem is that if the ST just sucked, it'd be easy for me to move on. No big deal. But not only did they suck, they did things that ruined the legacy and accomplishments of Luke, Anakin, Han and Leia. It was bad enough that the ST was just a retread of the OT, but with lesser interesting characters and no vision or identity of it's own, but it also took a hot shit on what came before. It completely killed my love for Star Wars. I didn't know if I would ever be interested in the franchise again, but time tends to heal everything. Maybe after enough time has passed and they've moved well beyond the Skywalker Saga with a new creative team, I could look at it as a clean slate.

But they're actually doubling down and making a direct sequel to the ST, with Rey, and have her accomplish what Luke did in Legends and should have done in Canon. Nah fuck right off. The only thing I'm interested in with this movie is the Box Office. I wanna see the damage to the brand they've done, because you know it's gotten even worse since TROS.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wait, what?

 

[Billbofet]

Wait, what?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

This movie is going to be a fucking disaster.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

At least Damon Lindelof tried to move past the bullshit of Episode IX and take it into the future if the rumours of what his script was are true. Waiting on Bob Iger to do something about Kathleen Kennedy.

 

[Pasedo]

Rey being a jedi master is like me practising moves after watching a kung fu movie and calling myself a kung fu master. Then teaching kids using the skills I learnt from a kung fu movie. Jedi standards continue to drop. They should have kept around some powerful jedi masters who were just in hiding so the new generation could have been seen to have been trained properly. Starting from when they are toddlers like they used to be.

 

[Days like these...]

So who's going to be the big bad in this?

 

[Toons]

Rey being a jedi master is like me practising moves after watching a kung fu movie and calling myself a kung fu master. Then teaching kids using the skills I learnt from a kung fu movie. Jedi standards continue to drop. They should have kept around some powerful jedi masters who were just in hiding so the new generation could have been seen to have been trained properly. Starting from when they are toddlers like they used to be.

Luke himself didn't have any able bodied masters to train him fighting either. He didn't have anyone to christen him either so it seems at some point you can just become a master by default.

 

[Billbofet]

I feel like this is going to get canceled like the Patty Jenkins movie. I think Disney announces stuff just to get an audience temperature and on this one, who the fuck is excited for more Rey?!?!

 

[Toons]

I feel like this is going to get canceled like the Patty Jenkins movie. I think Disney announces stuff just to get an audience temperature and on this one, who the fuck is excited for more Rey?!?!

A lot of people wanna see more try. Particularly the then kids who will be adults when this comes out. Rey has been a mainstay of their childhoods for the last decade if they played any video games bought any toys or read any books around star wars. They'll have nostalgia for the stuff same as we had it for prequel stuff.


But no, this almost certainly isn't getting cancelled.

 

[Days like these...]

A lot of people wanna see more try. Particularly the then kids who will be adults when this comes out. Rey has been a mainstay of their childhoods for the last decade if they played any video games bought any toys or read any books around star wars. They'll have nostalgia for the stuff same as we had it for prequel stuff.


But no, this almost certainly isn't getting cancelled.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal I have nieces and nephews in their late teens that watched TFA out of curiosity but I don't know one person young or old irl that is a fan or clamoring for a sequel sequel trilogy.

 

[Lord Panda]

So who's going to be the big bad in this?

Darth Oppressive Patriarchy?

 

[Days like these...]

Darth Oppressive Patriarchy?

And his apprentice Darth Toxic Masculinity

 

[Billbofet]

A lot of people wanna see more try. Particularly the then kids who will be adults when this comes out. Rey has been a mainstay of their childhoods for the last decade if they played any video games bought any toys or read any books around star wars. They'll have nostalgia for the stuff same as we had it for prequel stuff.


But no, this almost certainly isn't getting cancelled.

Yeah, I have kids 9 and 15 that could not give less shits about this. The oversaturation of SW in recent years with sub-standard shows (not counting Andor) has killed the desire for me and everyone I know. It might happen but SW could do so much better than to continue this tired saga.

 

[Toons]

Yeah, I have kids 9 and 15 that could not give less shits about this. The oversaturation of SW in recent years with sub-standard shows (not counting Andor) has killed the desire for me and everyone I know. It might happen but SW could do so much better than to continue this tired saga.

If they are 9 and 15 then in 2015 they were maybe 6 and barely even alive, so I mean thats not exactly what I'm getting at.

Kids who were 9-14 in 2015 is who im talking about

 

[Days like these...]

If they are 9 and 15 then in 2015 they were maybe 6 and barely even alive, so I mean thats not exactly what I'm getting at.

Kids who were 9-14 in 2015 is who im talking about

Those are my nephews you just conveniently ignored my post

 

[Scotty W]

 

[Billbofet]

This movie is going to be a fucking disaster.

Every single SW trilogy has been centered around strong, independent, critical women. Plus, Rey achieved full actualization in the last movie - what else is left? Is there going to be an Order 67 or 68 to kill off all men entirely?
I am all for female leads, but I hope this next trilogy has more than just that leg to stand on. As it's been marketed so far, it sounds boring as hell.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

So who's going to be the big bad in this?

Men.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Every single SW trilogy has been centered around strong, independent, critical women. Plus, Rey achieved full actualization in the last movie - what else is left? Is there going to be an Order 67 or 68 to kill off all men entirely?
I am all for female leads, but I hope this next trilogy has more than just that leg to stand on. As it's been marketed so far, it sounds boring as hell.

This is 2023. It is the unwritten rule that any film prior to the 2012s are all Male-gaze centered trash and that the directors and writers today are fighting for true women's rights and equality. Laurie Strode? A fucking simp. We need stronger females. Princess Leia? A slut. We need better and more amazing leaders!

I fucking hate these people.

 

[Doom85]

Men.

To be fair, seeing Rey (or really, just about anyone) beat the shit out of a character played by Charlie Sheen would be immensely satisfying.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

To be fair, seeing Rey (or really, just about anyone) beat the shit out of a character played by Charlie Sheen would be immensely satisfying.

I like him in The Arrival. I'm talking about that alien invasion movie from the 1990s, not the new one about communicating with aliens.

 

[Doom85]

I like him in The Arrival. I'm talking about that alien invasion movie from the 1990s, not the new one about communicating with aliens.

I’m mainly thinking of his sabotage towards Two and a Half Men. True, arguably Chuck Lorre could have worked something out with him in the series finale, but at the same time your lead actor behaving like THAT is pretty reasonable grounds for a permanently soured working relationship. Like, I remember hearing in his final season he appeared in, they could barely get Charlie to make the effort to walk around much, hence a LOT of scenes where he’s sitting down the whole time.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

So who's going to be the big bad in this?

Rey palpatine obviously

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I’m mainly thinking of his sabotage towards Two and a Half Men. True, arguably Chuck Lorre could have worked something out with him in the series finale, but at the same time your lead actor behaving like THAT is pretty reasonable grounds for a permanently soured working relationship. Like, I remember hearing in his final season he appeared in, they could barely get Charlie to make the effort to walk around much, hence a LOT of scenes where he’s sitting down the whole time.

I've never really seen it but I'm not a fan of sitcoms. In fact I dislike most sitcoms but the ones I do like are....

Three's Company

Married with Children

All in the Family

The Jeffersons

Those four are the only ones I like and pretty much in order since Three's Company is definitely my favorite.

As for Charlie Sheen, he did get kind of weird. Was it drugs or something?

 

[Doom85]

I've never really seen it but I'm not a fan of sitcoms. In fact I dislike most sitcoms but the ones I do like are....

Three's Company

Married with Children

All in the Family

The Jeffersons

Those four are the only ones I like and pretty much in order since Three's Company is definitely my favorite.

As for Charlie Sheen, he did get kind of weird. Was it drugs or something?

Proceeded to do drugs, went into rehab, but then just viciously insulted all of his co-workers in interviews, particularly at series showrunner Chuck Lorre including some antisemitism aimed at him, and also said some batshit insane stuff like he was a warlock with tiger blood, and he demanded a major pay raise despite already making 1.8 million per episode. Hilariously, only a few weeks prior, he told Lindsey Lohan to work on her impulse control.

Needless to say, he was quickly given the boot.