If Scotland leaves we're going to be stuck with a Tory government for the next 10 years anyway.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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I don't get what Labour want..the MP's and the PLP want a new Tony Blair (Dan Jarvis) but all the Labour members was a left wing leader...so unless Jeremy Corbyn agrees not to be on the ballot paper it will just end up him winning again
Also UK should hold the Presidency of the Council of the European Union from July 2017 to December 2017...
Its not going to happen lol
Audioboxer
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To be fair Scotland is useless at preventing a Tory government in England anyway :/ Labour is DEAD up here.
I would love to be there, the atmosphere in the room will be amazing, I wonder if they go after him in a nasty way
I'm the old days when we voted for anything with a red rosette all we ever accomplished was turning small labour wins into comfortable labour wins
PJV3
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The Labour party needs to split, the shitty voting system prevents it.
More Fun To Compute
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Going to be dead in the north of England as well but they have good odds of being the dominant separatist London city state party.
You had Scottish politicians in senior roles in parliament instead of protest positions where they can only hold press conferences.
That's not true. If the process of independence is a legal one, Spain shouldn't have no issue with it. It's the same as Slovakia or Croatia joining the EU. A country part of a former union outside of EU requests to join.
Catalonia has no legal way to obtain independence and Spain is not a union and the main issue was if Scotland became independent while UK was still in EU. No longer the case.
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I welcome Scotland to join the EU-fun. Make Britain small again.
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It’s only 250 words long but has instantly become the defining clause in a war of words between Britain and the EU
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/article-50-brexit-debate-britain-eu#img-1
It’s only 250 words long but has instantly become the defining clause in a war of words between Britain and the EU
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/article-50-brexit-debate-britain-eu#img-1
What's the point in fighting against the tide if you're already a hundred miles away from the shore? Labour needs to get back to the centre ground quickly if they want to actually get into power again, otherwise they will go the way of the Liberal Democrats.
Some Labour members, especially the unions, don't seem to realise that they don't actually have any fucking power, they can't actually help people. Liberal principles are all well and good but they just aren't shared by people outside of London. It's better to moderate your message, move to the centre and then start introducing the liberal ideas once you are in government.
It wouldn't. EU doesn't allow it's member states to break, this includes Spain/Catalunya.
Since UK is out of EU, it's not the same.
Is it naive of me to think this might still be turned over by Parliament?
It was a 1.9% win, does not reflect the public wants to leave, it reflects the public is split down the middle and that split it too close to make such a drastic change.
Especially if we realise Scotland will leave and that weakens our entire stance.
MPs should stop being selfish pricks and do the right thing and not pursue ahead with this.
If October is the deadline team remain should be protesting and petitioning to have this be re-voted until there's a clearer margin of for parliament to do their job and do what's best for the country not themselves.
It was a 1.9% win, does not reflect the public wants to leave, it reflects the public is split down the middle and that split it too close to make such a drastic change.
Especially if we realise Scotland will leave and that weakens our entire stance.
MPs should stop being selfish pricks and do the right thing and not pursue ahead with this.
If October is the deadline team remain should be protesting and petitioning to have this be re-voted until there's a clearer margin of for parliament to do their job and do what's best for the country not themselves.
Orniletter
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Lol
They have fucking nothing.
This is the time to make an example for those nations toying with the idea to leave. They Union has to curbstomp right wing populism by showing how brutal they are to the UK and if a nation is trying to weasel their way out of the shared responsibilities and just wants to leech of the benefits (what the "better deals" fraction proposes).
They won't give them an inch beyond what Norway got.
They manufacture money.
SplitYourInfinities
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If the petition somehow surpasses the number of Leave voters, what happens then?
so what does that make the EU then? you are saying punish those who dare to question our authority! that will not end well
I thought the EU was all about tolerance, and now you want to nail us to the mast for wanting out
Well, if Spain doesn't leave the EU, the EU would guarantee that it wouldn't give Catalonia any prospects of entering the EU if it tried to split from Spain on it's own. Basically just like with the first Scottish indy referendum.
Nothing.
We just forget about the core concept of Democracy altogether and call it a day.
Seriously, what is up with this false hope? Only way would be burning the constitution and bring back Monarchy maybe.
Alx
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Since the current environment suggests a major evolution of EU, I don't think it's a bad idea for the founders to discuss a new direction based on what the union was intended to be at its roots. That requires both a long and active history in the union, and a small enough numbers to let things move fast. Obviously things will also be discussed with the 21 other members, but there's nothing wrong in having smaller meetings in addition. Such things happen all the time, although with even less participants usually.
eBay Huckster
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an actor, behaving rationally, according to its best self-interest
Cheeseman Battitude
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Absolutely not naive IMO. The referendum guaged public opinion, so if the result was a massive victory for Leave or Remain we wouldn't need to overturn it. While it's close I think it should be overturned. If it's against the law, fuck the law, change it on the fly and just do it.
do you honestly want another referendum, or do you want to keep going until remain win...it is the stupidest idea, because if you get one and win, but under 75% turnout you have to go again!
wont happen, can't happen
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Not quite true. In 2005 Scotland stopped there being a hung parliament, which, given 2010, probably would have been a Con-Lib coalition. There's probably others, but that's the most recent one to come to mind.
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The EU is about giving and taking. Not about just taking.
If you want to leave when things get tough then you stop having any of the benefits you had. It's pretty simple.
You don't want to help anyone and want all the good deals? Not going to happen.
If you think you are above everyone else then good luck on your future endeavours.
Hmmmmmmmm lol , wanna leave? fine, but I'm going to make you pay and forget the day you were born
PJV3
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There will be nothing but the slim chance of a confirmation referendum near the end of negotiations.
This referendum has been asked and answered.
meh weren't there 17m leave votes? lol unless most who petitioned were leave voters
eBay Huckster
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yeah, weird, it's almost like actions have consequences and sometimes those actions merit more severe consequences
On the odd occasion when labour moved to be indistinguishable from socially liberal tories we got decent even over representation however thanks to evel scots are effectively barred from most of the cabinet positions except maybe defends and foreign secretary. You can't have chancellor who can't vote for 80% of his own fucking budget
We've done that before and all it does is legitimise increasingly right wing Tory governments. Six years of Tories (in coalition with a 'moderating' party, even) is all it took to undo all of the Blair government's improvements to welfare. It's a losing fight for Labour.
Corbyn is increasingly obviously not the man to win that fight, I agree, but the alternative is nothing more than a rearguard action against the continued Torification of the British political landscape.
SymbiantXenos
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An unelected house of lords and a soon to be unelected prime minister. Good job getting rid of those unelected people in brussles ladies and gents.
eBay Huckster
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almost, except not at all
Why would the EU have to be nice to the people leaving?
The EU should protect the countries inside of it, not outside.
Yeah, let's give a ton of benefits to everyone who wants to leave and fuck everyone who stays.
Ridiculous. If you are out, you are out.
EDIT: Hilarious comparing to a dictatorship. You are not part of the system anymore, you have no saying in it.
The EU should protect the countries inside of it, not outside.
Yeah, let's give a ton of benefits to everyone who wants to leave and fuck everyone who stays.
Ridiculous. If you are out, you are out.
EDIT: Hilarious comparing to a dictatorship. You are not part of the system anymore, you have no saying in it.
From the article:
As has been wryly noted already, there is only one precedent to refer to here. Greenland left the EU in 1985 after two years of negotiation. It has a population of 55,000, and only one product; fish.
This slayed me...
Carl2291
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Got to get those young people voting, right?
Orniletter
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The UK betrayed our shared goals and our shared future despite being very well off with their arrangement in the first place (all these concessions and rebates).
The UK doesn't get to tear it all down and demand special treatment beyond what has been established as normal (what Norway got).
PdotMichael
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Decisions I made shouldn't negatively affect me, that's not democratic.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Cameron's body language on BBC news channel right now looks very sombre. He looks a broken man.
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