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[Spaghetti]

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

I cannot fathom her saying the NHS is in jeopardy if Remain won. Did people actually believe what was on the side of Boris' bus?

 

[Tak3n]

This is interesting. What it would take to deliver a second referendum. https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/

He goes on to say that talk in Westminster is having a referendum on the deal agreed

The fact that more than 1.5 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU petition has attracted a lot of attention - but it has zero chance of being enacted.

The main reason is that it is asking for retrospective legislation - it suggests another referendum is required because the winning side got less than 60% of the vote, and there was less than a 75% turnout.

Now you can have thresholds in referendums.

The 1979 referendum to set up a Scottish parliament failed because a clause was inserted into the legislation requiring more than 40% of all eligible voters - not just those taking part - to agree to devolution before it took place. But that clause came in advance - everyone was clear about the rules. You can't simply invent new hurdles if you are on the losing side.

The other reason is that if a petition gets more than 100,000 signatures it can then - with the agreement of a committee of MPs - be debated in parliament but there is no legal obligation to act on it.

 

[El Topo]

You can tell they are disappointed. Makes it even more heartbreaking thir situation will be even worse once all is said and done.

Is their situation necessarily going to change much?

 

[axisofweevils]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HJXVP8G/?tag=neogaf0e-20

So, this is a thing....

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[deli2000]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Well it's nice and all that you're getting all your smug potshots in, but are you going to contribute to this thread at all? Never mind the posts about people losing their jobs or feeling less safe in this country. Keep being condescending pal.

 

[Ushojax]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

This referendum was a waste of everyone's time, the Leave MPs made that clear within 24 hours of the result. This was an internal ideological battle in the Tory party that was allowed to infect the whole country by a spineless moron of a PM. There are no benefits to leaving other than a vague idea of increased sovereignty.

Immigration is needed for our economy fo function, now and in the future. No government will reduce immigration to any great degree. Less than 24 hours after the vote we had a Leave campaigner admitting immigration will not change much. That is the deceit that they never expected they would have to reveal, immigration was always a cheap way of getting the working class frothing at the mouth but in economic terms it's massively beneficial for the country. Boris has already said he is pro-immigration, that he wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants etc.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

But one of the reasons the city is so big because it was the gateway to the ECP and EuroBonds market.
If that's no longer the case that business may be going to Frankfurt or Dublin. That's a sizable drop in non-EU services trade as well.

The goal isn't mutual destruction here to punish each other, that's why they will more than likely work something out that is mutually satisfactory at the end of the day.

 

[RedSparrows]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Well, 17 million of the UK. Not the 'rest of it', actually.

 

[Audioboxer]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

Are you not worrying... "No no no.. Not at all" whilst making a quick getaway before questions get hard.

 

[Inversive]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

I've lived here all my life, feel for me.

 

[E-phonk]

All this can be negotiated, UK imports more than it exports, it's in EU's best interests to remain tapped into the UK market by not fucking with UK's financial services sector too much, I doubt either side will want to get too nasty.

So you really think the financial center of the EU would be a country outside of the EU? That this is something that can be negotiated?

 

[R_thanatos]

I wouldn't be too sure about that, neither side really has the upperhand in terms of leverage, there's too much mutual reliance for that to happen.

27 countries vs 1 = neither side has the advantage ?
#logic

Your argument is basicly : the EU needs us , so they will never trully ties with the UK , so things won't change that much.

How unrealistic.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Is their situation necessarily going to change much?

9,4% unemployment is almost hilarious coming from a country that had 25%.

Now that's desperation.

 

[SuperSah]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

lol.

lol.

joiuibogbswat

 

[RedSparrows]

Just like you're in touch with reality, yeah?

Real, decent, honest people, they are.

Unlike us indecent, deceitful, imagined people.

 

[nOoblet16]

I wouldn't be too sure about that, neither side really has the upperhand in terms of leverage, there's too much mutual reliance for that to happen.

UK makes up for 18% of EU's exports, EU makes up for 45% of UK's export....yes one side has the upper hand. Plus it isn't just export and import, London is a financial hub because UK was in EU, the financial hub will move to the mainland over the years slowly. Probably to Paris.

 

[kiguel182]

Posted?

That's just sad.

When racism starts taking over it's hard not to feel defeated as a society.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

So you really think the financial center of the EU would be a country outside of the EU? That this is something that can be negotiated?

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

EVERYTHING can be negotiated, that's the way governments and bureaucrats work.

 

[Bobnob]

Are you not worrying... "No no no.. Not at all" whilst making a quick getaway before questions get hard.

Probably just didn't want to answer question's from the goverments propaganda machine, or maybe its just like you insinuated ?

 

[SporeCrawler]

I wouldn't be too sure about that, neither side really has the upperhand in terms of leverage, there's too much mutual reliance for that to happen.

EU is the bigger market and may completely destroy one of the most important UK industry (financial services).. UK is the smaller market and may what boycott german cars?

 

[Heckler456]

Posted?

Don't you understand? This happens all the time, in every single other country! This has nothing to do with the Brexit campaign emboldening a bunch of xenophobic racists!

 

[RedSparrows]

Probably just didn't want to answer question's from the goverments propaganda machine, or maybe its just like you insinuated ?

Ah yes, the proper response is 'the BBC is a government shill organisation'.

Keep on trucking!

Don't you understand? This happens all the time, in every single other country! This has nothing to do with the Brexit campaign emboldening a bunch of xenophobic racists!

Just in case you're being serious, it's pretty evident these incidents have arisen due to the Leave vote, as expressed by the pricks' own words.

 

[kmag]

The goal isn't mutual destruction here to punish each other, that's why they will more than likely work something out that is mutually satisfactory at the end of the day.

A sweet deal for the uk is destruction of the eu. The membership has a cost why pay it if you can just do a uk. The deal the uk will get is the eea route

You need to pay into the European Budget. You need to accept Freedom of Movement. You need to enact certain EU Laws. All the while you've lost your place at the table and more importantly your treaty veto. And you've lost the Budget Rebate.

That's the only possible route which the eu could countenance maintaining londons Eu financial passport which will be an absolute necessity for the uk going forward

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

You have seen the news about Tata Steel? We are talking here about 11.000 employees in the UK (mostly South Wales apparently) who could lose their jobs. And that's only the beginning. Many more will follow. People do not want to invest in a country with such an uncertain future.

Nothing has happened yet.
We have had industries devastated whilst we've been in the EU too.
It obviously isn't all going to be smooth.
Nothing that requires a safe space just yet though.

We've had it a lot worse than this. Especially up North.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

You're right. I was so sure remain would win by a comfy margin, yet apparently thats not the flavour of the majority of the country. I don't know what it is.

 

[Arksy]

UK makes up for 18% of EU's exports, EU makes up for 45% of UK's export....yes one side has the upper hand. Plus it isn't just export and import, London is a financial hub because UK was in EU, the financial hub will move to the mainland over the years slowly. Probably to Paris.

This is not even remotely close to being true. London has been a world financial center for over a hundred years.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

I'm not saying that Britain will be shut out of the single market, but the Vote Leave position of "We'll get to keep all the good stuff, lose all the bad, icky stuff, and we get to fuck their wives every weekend" was naive at best, and an utter fabrication at worse.

 

[kmag]

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

EVERYTHING can be negotiated, that's the way governments and bureaucrats work.

Yes it was but it was proportionally far far smaller. The Big Bang is a long time ago and was after eec membership anyway

 

[ProfessorMoran]

27 countries vs 1 = neither side has the advantage ?
#logic

Your argument is basicly : the EU needs us , so they will never trully ties with the UK , so things won't change that much.

How unrealistic.

The need is mutual, France and Germany wouldn't want to put the screws on UK just so UK can reciprocate, this isn't some sort of emotional divorce here, negotiations need to happen and will happen, and it can get complicated but at the end of the day to it's hard to imagine things will change too much.

The bottomline is countries will still want to benefit from having a beneficial relationship with UK, with or without the EU, and that includes the big players like Germany and France.

 

[Baybars]

It begins

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a3a92744-3a52-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4CZptqVcF

 

[call_kotaku]

So what will happen if no UK leadership in the foreseeable future has the balls to actually enact article 50? Does the EU have mechanisms to slowly exclude the UK internally, or some way of leveraging the referendum politically?

 

[Ashes]

it is not my mentality, I am saying they need to find a way to get a good deal for all parties that blocks free movement...

We all know, the evidence shows the leave campaign won because of the promise of no more immigration, to now undo that, they might as well say...you know what we stuffed up, we can not see any way to progress without allowing free movement, so we are simply going to overturn the referendum...

ok, they will get shat on at the GE, but what we are heading for if they dont block free movement is something no one wants

They misold you dreams simply because they knew they could. I've spoken to leavers and they'd not know what passporting is.
Passporting needs to stay. You'd be putting up barriers for the Financial services industry otherwise.

 

[Carl2291]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

This is a real thing for millions of people, particularly in Yorkshire too. Like I said a couple of days ago, when you actually talk to real people and get a grasp of what problems they have, you begin to understand that under the current regime (Yes that includes our own government) there's nothing positive in the future.

People have nothing, no future prospects, working 8 hours a day for very little. Wages aren't rising while the cost of living is skyrocketing. Houses are too expensive, schools are full, the NHS is struggling. They see an option for something new (with expectations of a brighter future) and you can bet they'll take that option. If you can kick the government in the bollocks while you do it, it's a bonus.

That's why large chunks of the poorest communities have voted to leave. They've been abandoned by a government that's focussed primarily on London over the last 20-30 years. It's as much a protest vote as it is an "immigration" vote, a "sovereignty" vote or whatever else.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

EVERYTHING can be negotiated, that's the way governments and bureaucrats work.

That's not the way a multinational bank works though.
They will vote with their money. They won't wait for Boris and Nige to come saying 'don't go'.

 

[Tak3n]

This referendum was a waste of everyone's time, the Leave MPs made that clear within 24 hours of the result. This was an internal ideological battle in the Tory party that was allowed to infect the whole country by a spineless moron of a PM. There are no benefits to leaving other than a vague idea of increased sovereignty.

Immigration is needed for our economy fo function, now and in the future. No government will reduce immigration to any great degree. Less than 24 hours after the vote we had a Leave campaigner admitting immigration will not change much. That is the deceit that they never expected they would have to reveal, immigration was always a cheap way of getting the working class frothing at the mouth but in economic terms it's massively beneficial for the country. Boris has already said he is pro-immigration, that he wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants etc.

as far as i understand it, I think the issue is that immigration will still happen 100,000 a year i suspect, but it will be controlled immigration... I agree if people voted leave because they thought immigration will go back to 1994 levels then I agree they are in for a shock...

if we have a points system and we end up having 200,000 a year because the economy needs it, then so be it...as long as it is a points based controlled system

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

Well it's nice and all that you're getting all your smug potshots in, but are you going to contribute to this thread at all? Never mind the posts about people losing their jobs or feeling less safe in this country. Keep being condescending pal.

Get a fucking grip man, not a single job has been lost from this vote. And we're a country with a land border with fucking no-one. "less safe", please.

The remain campaigners really did a number on some people jesus.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Posted?

...and almost every Muslim in Britain originates from outside of the EU, not that the racist scum doing these things will get that.

 

[nOoblet16]

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

Times have changed, the world today is not the same it was back then.

 

[RedSparrows]

This is a real thing for millions of people, particularly in Yorkshire too. Like I said a couple of days ago, when you actually talk to real people and get a grasp of what problems they have, you begin to understand that under the current regime (Yes that includes our own government) there's nothing positive in the future.

People have nothing, no future prospects, working 8 hours a day for very little. Wages aren't rising while the cost of living is skyrocketing. Houses are too expensive, schools are full, the NHS is struggling. They see an option for something new (with expectations of a brighter future) and you can bet they'll take that option. If you can kick the government in the bollocks while you do it, it's a bonus.

That's why large chunks of the poorest communities have voted to leave. They've been abandoned by a government that's focussed primarily on London over the last 20-30 years. It's as much a protest vote as it is an "immigration" vote, a "sovereignty" vote or whatever else.

Yes, as has been discussed time and again in here by now.

It's one of the reasons so many of us are bitter and saddened, because these people aren't going to get better lives out of this.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

EVERYTHING can be negotiated, that's the way governments and bureaucrats work.

Sure, they can spend years negotiating a way to have the financial sector of the EU on a foreign country outside of the EU, dealing with whatever nightmares of paperworks and bearucracy in the middle of transactions of Eurobonds and many other EU financial activities....or banks and other financial enterprises will set on a country of the EU and avoid all these annoyances.

 

[EdwardTeach]

Get a fucking grip man, not a single job has been lost from this vote. And we're a country with a land border with fucking no-one. "less safe", please.

The remain campaigners really did a number on some people jesus.

The UK has a land border with Ireland.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

The goal isn't mutual destruction here to punish each other, that's why they will more than likely work something out that is mutually satisfactory at the end of the day.

You don't understand this, do you? Those financial businesses will not just chill and wait. They will pack their things and leave. There is a 100% chance that they will have complete access to the EU markets in Frankfurt or Dublin. There is a very low chance that they will have the same access in the future in London. So why risk it and stay in London? This city is dead as a financial center.

 

[darkwing]

Posted?

when you run a campaign based on the issue of immigration, what did they think will happen if they won?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Posted?

And dutifully ignored by posters in this thread who legitimised this behaviour.

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

The UK has a land border with Ireland.

And they're gonna declare war? be it financially or physically?

 

[R_thanatos]

The financial sector was in UK before the UK was ever part of the EU.

EVERYTHING can be negotiated, that's the way governments and bureaucrats work.

So the financial center of the EU was in UK before the Uk was part of the EU ?

Or was that not just a financial center , like france and germany has or even new york ?
It only became the main point of europe finances after Uk joined euro.

After Uk leaves Euros , all that financial power will just move in another place of EU

 

[oti]

This is not even remotely close to being true. London has been a world financial center for over a hundred years.

So let's just pretend globalization and the EU as one of the biggest single markets never happened? You sound like you do not realize it's the year 2016.

 

[figadapaura]

Get a fucking grip man, not a single job has been lost from this vote. And we're a country with a land border with fucking no-one. "less safe", please.

The remain campaigners really did a number on some people jesus.

Uh, yeah there has.

 

[Hasney]

Get a fucking grip man, not a single job has been lost from this vote. And we're a country with a land border with fucking no-one. "less safe", please.

The remain campaigners really did a number on some people jesus.

There are people that had clauses in their contracts if the UK left the EU then they would no longer be needed as the operation would no longer be needed in the UK, I'm friends wit some of them.

Seems like you're out of touch if you think no jobs have been lost from this.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

A sweet deal for the uk is destruction of the eu. The membership has a cost why pay it if you can just do a uk. The deal the uk will get is the eea route

You need to pay into the European Budget. You need to accept Freedom of Movement. You need to enact certain EU Laws. All the while you've lost your place at the table and more importantly your treaty veto. And you've lost the Budget Rebate.

That's the only possible route which the eu could countenance maintaining londons Eu financial passport which will be an absolute necessity for the uk going forward

Do you think EU countries want to just sever ties with UK or give UK the shaft just because they're not longer part of the EU? The cost of relocating the financial sector in the UK would be tremendous and there will be way too much pressure for both sides to maintain the status quo just to make corporations happy as far as the financial sector is concerned.

They'll work something out that will keep the players happy, EU bureaucrats aren't necessarily men of principals, everybody will eventually bend and we'll look back at this and wonder what the big deal is.