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[Audioboxer]

Has the Burnley video by Channel 4 been posted yet?

Many times, but it is indeed a shitshow.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

Free trade dosn't make sense without Free movement...

 

[cyberheater]

This is interesting. What it would take to deliver a second referendum. https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/

A second referendum is pie in the sky thinking. It's simply never going to happen. The remain side are dreaming.

 

[Screaming Meat]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....

Precisely.

 

[Ashes]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

There is 0% chance. Because both sides won't really want it.

 

[figadapaura]

We won't buy cars anymore. Let's go back to horse and cart like the good ol' days.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Yeah right people in UK will not buy German cars but real british cars like the bentley, the mini or the rolls royce.... Oh wait..

UK will loose a huge chunk of its financial services business and rhe capital that cpmes with it.

There is nonway the EU will allow London to remain the main place to trade Euros, state bonds etc. in the future and will simply not issue EU Passports to banks that have seats only in London.

So yeah UK wants something from EU for sure.

All this can be negotiated, UK imports more than it exports, it's in EU's best interests to remain tapped into the UK market by not fucking with UK's financial services sector too much, I doubt either side will want to get too nasty.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

indeed, but whatever I wrote people would of said no chance

Disappointing because regardless of how people might reply it would be interesting to see what you'd find worth the vote but still realistic and achievable as that seems to be the crux of the issue (at least in tension with the major promises of the campaign). The list of demands you posted are "hardball" by your own definition so presumably there are compromises you would still feel were worth the Leave vote

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Has the Burnley video by Channel 4 been posted yet?

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

 

[JP_]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

So UK demands no freedom of movement, how do you expect that will affect the rest of the terms of any agreement? You'd be giving EU less, what do you think they'll do in return?

spoiler alert: your trade deals will be even worse if you don't put freedom of movement on the table.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

They're basically burning the country to the ground to get back at Westminster. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a fitting expression for those people.

1. They aren't burning the country to the ground. Stop being so laughably melodramatic.

2. I can see why the politicians, London 'elite' and coffee shop middle classes would see it this way.
Maybe the rest of the country thinks 'Fuck those people'. They've neglected and sneered at the concerns of everyone else for ages.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Many times, but it is indeed a shitshow.

Is there a link to the whole thing or just the one making the rounds on Twitter?

 

[cilonen]

This is interesting. What it would take to deliver a second referendum. https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/

Wow, that's like an actually constitutionally thought out argument of my spitballing.

 

[Steel]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

It was a waste of time. Even countries outside the EU that have deals with it have free movement.

 

[Izuna]

Fuck this bullshit.

Fascism is empowered even in London...

 

[Zaph]

I feel like the politicians did not really listen, if they do a deal that allows free movement...they may as well not bothered holding a referendum....we will literally be back to square one...immigration will still be the issue every one raises at GE...

as hard as this sounds, free movement has got to be a red line, or it was a waste of everyones time

And if we were to force a deal without free movement there won't be very severe implications elsewhere?

Christ, the mentality of Brexiters whenever they're asked to explain 'now what?'. The graphs say it all.

 

[nOoblet16]

So UK demands no freedom of movement, how do you expect that will affect the rest of the terms of any agreement? You'd be giving EU less, what do you think they'll do in return?

spoiler alert: your trade deals will be even worse if you don't put freedom of movement on the table.

Turkey lite

 

[Hasney]

Thankfully the National Front were a bit outnumbered at that demo.

Well done Newcastle. If my dad were still with us, he'd be so damn proud of his hometown there.

 

[Jisgsaw]

Just responding to the trolls who think Merkel is going to give UK a very hard shaft, cant see it myself, UK is not in a position like Greece where we are asking for money or help.

I also don't think Merkel will be too hard (she is above all a compromiser), but that really depends on your definition of "hard".
EU will probably push for a Norwegian type of deal, the problem is no one knows what the UK wants. Will they accept it?
The open point may be if the EU gives the UK the financial passport or not, this will probably be the main chunk of the negociation. And there Merkel might push to not giving it, in order to fortify Frankfurt; France may get along in hope to fortify Paris / La Défense.

 

[FATALITY]

not by me, just to clear

look how old these guys are.

 

[SporeCrawler]

All this can be negotiated, UK imports more than it exports, it's in EU's best interests to remain tapped into the UK market by not fucking with UK's financial services sector too much, I doubt either side will want to get too nasty.

I dont think EU will allow a offshore tax haven that they cant control and that controls all their money. Thats non negotiable. If anything UK will have to allow control by EU regulations and will habe to pay contributions. Germany can gain a lot by keeping up a trade barrier for financial services and the car sales may take a hit but ultimately geeman cars will stay competitive even with tarrifs.

UK just dared to vote for leave and Brexit won, I think people understand now that it's possible, the door has been opened whether we like this or not.

Not being a part of the EU a country most likely can establish quotas in terms of how many people they can allow into the country legally.

Depending on public sentiment/pressure current governments can be pressured into considering the possibility, they might not want to bet all their political capital on sticking with the EU when they've just witness Cameron's folly.

Right nobody outside of the extremists will call for a Referendum.mnp body wants to become cameron 2.0

 

[Tosyn_88]

It was mentioned several times before but if they actually do that now, it is good.

That has, however, nothing to do with the other guy cheering for the UK to hold the EU hostage, thus causing economic damage which in turn means people losing jobs etc etc.

This is the problem with far right wing mentality, it's all about them and the world can burn for all they care. It's like the gun folks in USA, they only want what's best for then personally, the concept of collective good is lost on them, it doesn't even exist in thier dictionary

 

[Auctopus]

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

Fuck me. The most vulnerable got played like absolute chumps.

 

[Baloonatic]

Not sure I can take any more interviews with the elderly who apparently voted out of nostalgia for "the good old days".

 

[Gemüsepizza]

1. They aren't burning the country to the ground. Stop being so laughably melodramatic.

2. I can see why the politicians, London 'elite' and coffee shop middle classes would see it this way.
Maybe the rest of the country thinks 'Fuck those people'. They've neglected and sneered at the concerns of everyone else for ages.

You have seen the news about Tata Steel? We are talking here about 11.000 employees in the UK (mostly South Wales apparently) who could lose their jobs. And that's only the beginning. Many more will follow. People do not want to invest in a country with such an uncertain future.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is there a link to the whole thing or just the one making the rounds on Twitter?

I've only seen the short doing the rounds on Twitter. If there is more to it it would probably just escalate my anger and disappointment even further.

 

[figadapaura]

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

They hate the Tories, yet they've made them more powerful than ever. Jesus christ.

So many people had no clue what they were voting for. Xenophobia won out.

 

[Dany]

Maybe the xenophobic Leavers couldn't handle Nadiya winning the Bake Off I mean come on she made SODA CHEESECAKES I WANT THAT she deserved the win.

Now this is funny.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

What really bugs me right now is how it seems that all the problems that spurred the leave vote weren't really the EU's fault supposedly, and its more down to our government. Makes the whole thing seem freaking pointless, and makes me angrier at the media/campaigns.

 

[Messofanego]

Has the Burnley video by Channel 4 been posted yet?

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

 

[R_thanatos]

All this can be negotiated, UK imports more than it exports, it's in EU's best interests to remain tapped into the UK market by not fucking with UK's financial services sector too much, I doubt either side will want to get too nasty.

Such wishfull thinking

 

[PJV3]

Fuck this bullshit.

I think we could sort out a lot of problems with political reform at home, it's a shame the EU is getting flak for a crappy system that only cares about marginal seats.

There are real grievances that are not going to be sorted by this vote.

 

[Tak3n]

And if we were to force a deal without free movement there won't be very severe implications elsewhere?

Christ, the mentality of Brexiters whenever they're asked to explain 'now what?'. The graphs say it all.

it is not my mentality, I am saying they need to find a way to get a good deal for all parties that blocks free movement...

We all know, the evidence shows the leave campaign won because of the promise of no more immigration, to now undo that, they might as well say...you know what we stuffed up, we can not see any way to progress without allowing free movement, so we are simply going to overturn the referendum...

ok, they will get shat on at the GE, but what we are heading for if they dont block free movement is something no one wants

 

[RedSparrows]

Newsnight have an interesting one too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3qdX2TGps

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Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

It's fascinating how little the EU actually has to do with 95% of what they are worried about.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

1. They aren't burning the country to the ground. Stop being so laughably melodramatic.

2. I can see why the politicians, London 'elite' and coffee shop middle classes would see it this way.
Maybe the rest of the country thinks 'Fuck those people'. They've neglected and sneered at the concerns of everyone else for ages.

And those who will rise in the power after this, will do that even on a more extreme way. One of the victors of this referendum said that healthcare should be privatized in 10 years, I'm sure that's what the working classes needs.This all the expense of validating bigots in their toxic xenophobia and racism across your country and possibly dozends of thousands of jobs lost, people who will have to leave UK and a whole generation denied the possibility of the EU citizenship, with all the benefits that conveys.

Surely, you can see it wasn't a smart decision just to send a message.

 

[Auctopus]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

Christ.

That woman with the pink hair essentially just had her fingers in her ears.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

All this can be negotiated, UK imports more than it exports, it's in EU's best interests to remain tapped into the UK market by not fucking with UK's financial services sector too much, I doubt either side will want to get too nasty.

But one of the reasons the city is so big because it was the gateway to the ECP and EuroBonds market.
If that's no longer the case that business may be going to Frankfurt or Dublin. That's a sizable drop in non-EU services trade as well.

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

 

[Baybars]

Not sure I can take any more interviews with the elderly who apparently voted out of nostalgia for "the good old days".

And in the same breath mutter

'doctor patel, me arm is hurtin alot.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

At the end of the day, in negotiations, what's more important is who has better hands to negotiate with. UK is in a much worse position.

That's is not to say they will get royally screwed, but I'm not sure you'll get what you think you can get.

I wouldn't be too sure about that, neither side really has the upperhand in terms of leverage, there's too much mutual reliance for that to happen.

 

[Jb]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

I don't think I've ever heard this accent before. It's really weird but sort of charming.

 

[Zaph]

It's fascinating how little the EU actually has to do with 95% of what they are worried about.

They hate the Tories, yet they've made them more powerful than ever. Jesus christ.

So many people had no clue what they were voting for. Xenophobia won out.

I want to say convincing the country Tory problems were actually EU problems is quite a trick, but it was done in such an obvious and easy way, that I can't even be impressed with the execution.

 

[Steel]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

From this comment you'd think the referendum passed 90-10.

 

[figadapaura]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

I suppose you know where everyone in this thread is from.

 

[Bold One]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Only by fucking everybody by opting out of a union that has nothing to do with the rest of the UK's grievances can we get back in touch

 

[SporeCrawler]

But one of the reasons the city is so big because it was the gateway to the ECP and EuroBonds market.
If that's no longer the case that business may be going to Frankfurt or Dublin. That's a sizable drop in non-EU services trade as well.

Not may. It will. Major banks have already announced plans to leave. This is probably just the start and assiming that UK will get a good deal (which will not be the case)

 

[JP_]

it is not my mentality, I am saying they need to find a way to get a good deal for all parties that blocks free movement...

We all know, the evidence shows the leave campaign won because of the promise of no more immigration, to now undo that, they might as well say...you know what we stuffed up, we can not see any way to progress without allowing free movement, so we are simply going to overturn the referendum...

ok, they will get shat on at the GE, but what we are heading for if they dont block free movement is something no one wants

What makes you think it's possible to get a good deal with no freedom of movement...? You give EU bad terms, but expect them to give you good terms in return? Makes no sense.

 

[oti]

Have a go at Hartlepool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c

You can tell they are disappointed. Makes it even more heartbreaking their situation will be even worse once all is said and done.

 

[Dascu]

Posted?

 

[Dorsal Axe]

This thread is much like the House of Commons, completely out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Just like you're in touch with reality, yeah?