They didn't make a public show of saying they didn't want to exit a membership they benefited from.
It's why they're going to be closer to Turquey than Norway.
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They didn't make a public show of saying they didn't want to exit a membership they benefited from.
It's why they're going to be closer to Turquey than Norway.
Your argument makes no sense. The UK imports more from the EU than Norway so is in a stronger position. The EU might want to punish the UK if they want to be vindictive but I doubt it.
What I want to know is... when will UKIP stop lying?
Why do they have to? Who is forcing them to? Plenty of rubes take anything they say at face value.
More Fun To Compute
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So what? They show that a European country can do well outside of the EU so don't they need to be punished for the greater good?
What is this EU interference that the older generation resents?
This is the Norwegian model: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/norwegian-model-realities-brexit-norway-uk-eu
It sounds like Britain is going to have to accept the Turkish model though.
Socially we are a third-rate country. Ignore the economics and threat of job losses and that's still enough to make you wince
ftfy
I like this idea that leaving the EU will turn us more into socialism despite the very clear move to the right
Boy Wander
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They should never have let Greece in in the first place. It's a corrupt bureaucracy where taxes were not properly collected and bribery was rife. No wonder people in this country were pissed off that we had to pay good money after bad to them.
The UK just established precedent for leaving the EU. Now the EU will establish precedent for what it means to leave the EU.
When a majority of the population cares about the truth (ie. never)
What I want to know is... when will UKIP stop lying?
My bad.
-Plasma Reus-
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I love how leave campaign kept going on about Turkey joining the EU and how that meant Britain should leave the EU.
Yet now, it is going to have to stand right next to Turkey, and get treated JUST like Turkey.
Fucking hell!
Yet now, it is going to have to stand right next to Turkey, and get treated JUST like Turkey.
Fucking hell!
Relaxed Muscle
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They aren't a member, but they still abide in most EU regulations and rules.
But this is not what UK wants, or do they?.
Watched a bit of newsnight and it was interesting from what Tony Blairs former chief of staff I think said, any new deals, terms should be up for voting and any new leadership needs to lay out a manifesto and a vote for what the new terms will be which may be our out if the new deal is shit.
Basically we voted against something but not for something so there should be another public vote to decide if we want the new deal, whatever that ends up being.
Basically we voted against something but not for something so there should be another public vote to decide if we want the new deal, whatever that ends up being.
geordiemp
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Oh, so should UK just stop sending our £ 350 million a week and pay our staff directly ?
Really ?
You can't say that it's not on both sides in here. Some of us are naturally concerned being from the south living in ni I'm worried about the border. Being a dad worried about my son's future and listening to politicans saying we will be ok because we're great Britain doesn't reassure me
Boy Wander
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Fucked if I know. I don't encounter it. Rules and regulations, health and safety, human rights, the metric system. Honestly, fuck knows but that's the sentiment.
This is exactly what I said to my wife today. Even leave voters can agree if we negotiate a shit deal we should agree to take it or back out.
More Fun To Compute
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Different people would want different things but this is certainly an option that the British people would like to see on the table.
I wonder how long this negotiated exit will take in actual terms. I can see both sides trying to get the best deal for each of their camp, I can't help but feel that England won't get the better deal of the lot, because once one of the EU member disagree to a proposal, it's immediately up for debate there by slowing the process
Do you ever reply to people who validly counter your points?
The stornger position argment is total horsehit.
UK negotiating position going into Article 50:
- Currently in recession
- Currently battling potential secession of Scotland and Gibraltar
- Hugely dependent on maintaining financial passport for City
- Has no leverage since it has already chosen to leave.
EU negotiating position
- Doorway to single market
- Not under any pressure to negotiate
- Need to set example that you don't get better terms out vs. in
The result is child's play. 'We export tings lol' is a comical argument, the UK is a small country by itself. Get ready to feel it.
Well this post doesn't really make sense. Any concerns regarding Turkey joining the EU would have been due to the large number of immigrants coming through Turkey. This doesn't occur just because we happen to be on similar trading terms as Turkey (unless I'm missing something)
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"Germany will want", but Germans won't necessarily want to. Local politics dictate what the EU can and will do. "We don't want to pay for them".
You should read people' answers to your questions.
Norway is abiding by European laws to get access to the single market.
They are PAYING Europe to get this access, without any right to decide on the EU laws they will have to respect.
Do you understand how this does not compare at all with what UK wants to do?
Norway has to respect the Schengen area.
Leavers vote was hugely motivated by closed borders (while UK's borders were ALREADY closed)...
PJV3
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What I want to know is... when will UKIP stop lying?
Hhmm, I wonder why the Pound hit that low in February?
Wait, I found it!
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-falls-city-gets-brexit-jitters-business-live
LOL
I know now all of you have facebook, but this is the video circling to Brexit voters. It was made in 30th May... https://www.facebook.com/358469527671375/videos/522486067936386/
it's fantasy land
oh smh
it's fantasy land
oh smh
Relaxed Muscle
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Yes, (even if that number is not real, as your own "Leave" politicians said).
That is what you voted, but you also voted to not be part of the common market, free trade, and to not recieve EU funds for undeveloped regions as many other things.
Boy Wander
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Like it was before the EU? Where are you from by the way? You have a very pro Euro stance.
That number got debunked as bullshit forever ago and you know it. Settle down, pal.
Boy Wander
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Yay, we dont get back less than we pay out any more. Good news!
Freeza Under The Shower
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Not much point in arguing economics with a crazy person who doesn't understand what that means. But they know that people get tired of that and give up, and therefore it's successful rhetorical strategy. Bullshit works.
Relaxed Muscle
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It wasn't what you voted yesterday?
You voted to be out of the EU: no more pillow regulations, no more free movement, etc.
-Plasma Reus-
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You're not missing anything. I was merely implying that Turkey doesn't really get treated favourably by the EU. And now Britain would be getting the same treatment. The irony of it is that Brexit kept heavily emphasising how Turkey would join the EU, and that we should leave because of that.
forknknife
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Holy shit, lol
http://snpy.tv/28XbbYx
apparently the people don't know what they voted for. This whole thing is a farce.
Then why are you arguing against the EU if you don't have reasons for why it's so bad? Devil's advocate?
geordiemp
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We pay in, we get about half back. Poster is suggesting we get nothing back, my question is should we not pay in then
The number is immaterial whether its 350 million or 200 million, it does not matter.
Still what ? I made a fair question and point.
Interesting. Tell me more.
30yearsofhurt
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The internet.
A force for ILL!
More Fun To Compute
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Well there is a huge amount of uncertainty when it comes to new negotiations which should be almost comically unnecessary in the larger picture. But if the people in charge of the trade agreements are negotiating in bad spirits from the position that the UK should be made to suffer for betraying the EU then there is a problem. What sort of problem it ends up being in the long term is again uncertain and again comically unnecessary.
Boy Wander
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What I want to know is... when will UKIP stop lying?
Other than the rhetoric at the end, which part of that statement is a lie exactly?
Sumio Mondo
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And whose fault is that? The politicians. They did an awful job explaining things. Everybody I knew was confused about the whole thing, myself included, from both sides.
He was talking specifically about UK MEPs, rather than the state aid stuff.
Because it never was a member to begin with and Norway has adopted practically all EU regulations and practices to be part of a free trade zone with the EU.
Clearly one side was lying. Hint: it wasn't the experts.
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