The Xbox One controller cost $100,000,000

NervousXtian said:
You must not have kids, and ALWAYS plug them in after play.

I just always have charged batteries. I don't worry about it until they die.. I swap them.. then keep playing after plugging the old batteries in the charger.

I can just set my controller on my side table. Zero to worry about.

Seriously, people are so backwards on the internal battery issue.


Ahem...

Die as in batteries went low and needed to charged. Not died as in battery is toast. Damn.. talk about missing the point.
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If they are close to dying i plug them into my laptop or phone/tablet usb wall charger.
 
EvB said:
it cost $100m and still doesn't have come with a built in rechargeable battery pack! suck that first post! WOOO!
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I think it is great that Microsoft are aiming for a console that can be turned on for 10 years, so a controller that doesnt need to be replaced because of battery fatigue makes a lot of sense.
 
I guess it doesn't surprise me. This most likely includes all the equipment used to press the buttons repeatedly to test its durability, and any number of other things involved with the design. It also includes whatever designs or ideas they didn't go with.
 
NervousXtian said:
Why worry about it? I can swap AA's without having to tether my controller. I deal with it when the light flashes.
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So you can't be bothered to worry about plugging in the controller charging cable once a week or so whilst you're not playing, but you can be bothered to take out the batteries, stick them in a charger, stick that in a wall, and then stick in new batteries in to the controller.

Great logic lol.
 
I love that people are getting so serious when arguing for their "team" here. We're talking about batteries people. This isn't a "win" for either side. No matter which console you game on, the charging/swapping of batteries is such a minor time issue it's not even worth discussing.

I can't wait for these consoles to launch so we can get back to talking about what's important: How disappointed we are in all the games.
 
ShinAmano said:
Total issue when you are plaing and the battery dies mid game. In one scenario it is a quick swap and the other you aretethered to the console...and god forbid your couch is more than three feet from the tv when that happens.

Team eneloop ftw!
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God forbid you buy a USB extension cable from monoprice for less than the cost of a set of batteries.

Bu...bu...but I have to be untethered! My freedom!
 
Krakn3Dfx said:
I'm guessing we won't know what Sony spent since they aren't in a position to have to drop budget numbers, unboxing and controller videos, and GPU upclocking, etc. The level of fluff information coming out of MS for damage control is pretty high, and I expect it's only going to ramp up more as time goes on. Expect to hear how many man hours and millions were spent on the XBO's rubber feet before this is all over.
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There were times MS was criticized for not telling any details about anything X1 related.

I guess everything MS does has to be criticized.

Those informations are nice to have. It's nice to see the body work of the X1 controller. It's nice to see an unboxing video because this will be a very special moment. And it is nice to hear that they bumped up the specs a little.

"But hey MS, just shut up. Enough with your informations. We don't want your console so why don't you just stop and never launch this piece of failure..."
 
Why the hell do some people prefer built in battery packs? Because it's so cool to end up with a worthless controller after two years of recharging? Built in batteries only serve one purpose, to rip off customers who have to buy a new controller for $60.
 
That's one weird way to waste 100 Mill, it's basically the same controller that mostly did not need a redesign, and I bet the D-pad still sucks.
 
Krilekk said:
Why the hell do some people prefer built in battery packs? Because it's so cool to end up with a worthless controller after two years of recharging? Built in batteries only serve one purpose, to rip off customers who have to buy a new controller for $60.
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Because they're not ignorant.

nib95 said:
On the extreme rare chance your battery does completely die, replacement Dualshock 3 batteries are cheaper than Eneloops. Lol.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002MPN2LU/

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004I8II22/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Wonder how many people bought an entire new controller just because their controller battery life degraded too much after several years of use lol.
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SwiftDeath said:
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+DualShock+3+Battery/3255/1

Not very hard at all
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I wonder how much the Ouya people spent on theirs...

ShinAmano said:
Total issue when you are plaing and the battery dies mid game. In one scenario it is a quick swap and the other you aretethered to the console...and god forbid your couch is more than three feet from the tv when that happens.

Team eneloop ftw!
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Not necessarily. You can connect to any USB power source. I usually use my notebook that's on a table right next to where I play (while my console is pretty far away).
 
Krilekk said:
Why the hell do some people prefer built in battery packs? Because it's so cool to end up with a worthless controller after two years of recharging? Built in batteries only serve one purpose, to rip off customers who have to buy a new controller for $60.
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Or you know, as someone else just posted, buy a replacement battery pack for less than 10 dollars.
In the extremely unlikely case of controllers dying after two years, that is. (My original rumble-less Sixaxis is still going strong for what, 5 years now?)

4 screws, a plug and you're done.
 
Krilekk said:
Why the hell do some people prefer built in battery packs? Because it's so cool to end up with a worthless controller after two years of recharging? Built in batteries only serve one purpose, to rip off customers who have to buy a new controller for $60.
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Wait, how come my launch DS3s are still working?
 
Krilekk said:
Why the hell do some people prefer built in battery packs? Because it's so cool to end up with a worthless controller after two years of recharging? Built in batteries only serve one purpose, to rip off customers who have to buy a new controller for $60.
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-theres a diy thread on gaf about replacing the battery for the cheap.
-they last much longer than 2 years.
-ds3 goes on sale for $40 all the time.
-the reason i prefer it is because it's more convenient to charge.
 
I'm glad they spent the money fixing the problems.

But can't help but think that for $100m, their R&D dept is under delivering on value.

Also, my 4 DS3s still work just fine.
 
SSM25 said:
That's one weird way to waste 100 Mill, it's basically the same controller that mostly did not need a redesign, and I bet the D-pad still sucks.
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100 Million is chump change to MS, and yes the controller did need a re-design especially the d-pad. I would bet you the D-pad is better than the 360 version.
 
Microsoft is so out of touch, like this gen's Sony (at the start of it).
Spending 100m dollar on a controller, hundreds of millions on the NFL, are they gonna throw 50m dollar for time exclusive GTA content again?

I hate them for thinking everything is possible with their unlimited bag of dollars.
 
crazygambit said:
I wonder how much the Ouya people spent on theirs...
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However much you get for returning a bagful of bottles to be recycled.

Bsigg12 said:
So liking the choice to use batteries makes you ignorant now? Wow...
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That's not the point he was making, and I have a feeling you know that. He was saying they're not ignorant on how to replace built-in batteries.

Which honestly, isn't even a thing that comes up for most of us.
 
Xamdou said:
$100 is chump change to MS, and yes the controller did need a re-design especially the d-pad. I would bet you the D-pad is better than the 360 version.
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It would be a challenge to design a worse D-pad than the 360 one, so yeah.

Bsigg12 said:
So liking the choice to use batteries makes you ignorant now? Wow...
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No. Acting like rechargeable li-ion batteries in a controller are just a anti-consumer ripoff and implying that they die quickly. That's ignorant.
 
AA batteries almost seem dated to me at this point. The only products I have that require them are tv remotes and the Xbox 360 controllers.
 
Bsigg12 said:
I find it funny that people think this is a lot of money for this. The Xbox One is a couple billion dollars project for Microsoft.

Microsoft spends $700 million beefing up Xbox Live for Xbox One cloud support

Microsoft spending $1 billion on Xbox One games

People act like this $100 million is a lot for this, but it's both stupidly important to the life of the system as well as not the most expensive part about it. It sounds like a lot of money when you don't understand R&D costs, and I expect Sony to have spent as much or more on the DS4.
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I keep thinking the same thing, I mean a AAA game costs half of that and this pad has got to last for a whole generation.
 
I'd love to see those sums broken down, in a bit less hand wavy way.

I dearly hope they didn't blow tens of millions of dollars on prototypes, or even R&D salaries. (I'm hoping / guessing that the production facility set them back a lot) There are plenty of ways to do plastic products without breaking the bank in prototyping.
 
Gestault said:
It's probably important to know what the normal "big picture" cost of developing a controller is, for the sake of comparison. For example, I wonder what the cost for developing the Wii remote was.
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Exactly, I wonder how much it cost, especially when you also consider the WM+ and all the trouble that went with it if the "Iwata Asks" segments are to be trusted.
 
nib95 said:
No lol. Thinking you have to buy a completely new controller if your built in battery dies is.
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lol fair enough. Being on mobile makes tracking some conversations a pain.

Eric_S said:
I'd love to see those sums broken down, in a bit less hand wavy way.

I dearly hope they didn't blow tens of millions of dollars on prototypes, or even R&D salaries. (I'm hoping / guessing that the production facility set them back a lot) There are plenty of ways to do plastic products without breaking the bank in prototyping.
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I'm curious if all the machinery they used in designing the insta-prototypes (CNC machines and 3D printers) were new and not reused from the Surface team. Also, they probably spent a lot on all the stuff used to test the durability of the controller itself.
 
All I want is a functioning d-pad. This gen was horrible with d-pads, so hopefully next gen will be better.

nib95 said:
So you can't be bothered to worry about plugging in the controller charging cable once a week or so whilst you're not playing, but you can be bothered to take out the batteries, stick them in a charger, stick that in a wall, and then stick in new batteries in to the controller.

Great logic lol.
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This isn't a thread about internal versus external batteries.

MS doesn't give info or they give mixed info and people bitch (rightfully). However now they give info and of course there are well equipped warriors like you to dispute or downplay said info. Not only do you dispute it automatically but you also turn this thread into a versus thread. Awesome job.

BTW this battery debate is one of the saddest debates I've seen concerning these consoles. It's a preference, look up the meaning to the word.
 
Duxxy3 said:
But... it's practically the same controller for the end user.
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The original 360 pad is a piece of crap. Far too many issues pop up due to wear on the controller. If the controller looked 100% the same but fixed those technical flaws that arise after dozens of hours of use, it would be worth it.
KageMaru said:
BTW this battery debate is one of the saddest debates I've seen concerning these consoles. It's a preference, look up the meaning to the word.
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Still doesn't hold a candle to the stick placement wars.
 
The controller looks worse to me ergonomically. But I haven't tried it so obviously I'll have to reserve judgment until that happens (if it does..). Still $100m?, what are they spending that on??
 
100 million in development! I`d expect it to be able to play the game for me while I watch, for that much research wonga.
 
"Honestly, some of us felt like we were putting our career on the line. We were afraid we were going to burn through $100 million and come back with an under-developed controller."
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That actually sounds pretty damn stressful. I look forward to getting an XO controller in my hand and seeing how it feels.
 
KageMaru said:
All I want is a functioning d-pad. This gen was horrible with d-pads, so hopefully next gen will be better.

This isn't a thread about internal versus external batteries.

MS doesn't give info or they give mixed info and people bitch (rightfully). However now they give info and of course there are well equipped warriors like you to dispute or downplay said info. Not only do you dispute it automatically but you also turn this thread into a versus thread. Awesome job.

BTW this battery debate is one of the saddest debates I've seen concerning these consoles. It's a preference, look up the meaning to the word.
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Point is, you don't boast about spending $100m on the R&D of a controller when it still has a particular glaring dated technology or a particular omission. At least charge less for the controller or throw in the play and charge kit for free or something. Throwing in disposable AA batteries is such a cheap skate move. We're talking controllers that cost $60 or £50!

I think many in here are just surprised they claim to have spent as much as they do, given the controller design itself.
 
Microsoft invests large sum of money to experiment and improve the primary input device you use the majority of the time you are playing games on your console.

GAF complains.
 
nib95 said:
So you can't be bothered to worry about plugging in the controller charging cable once a week or so whilst you're not playing, but you can be bothered to take out the batteries, stick them in a charger, stick that in a wall, and then stick in new batteries in to the controller.

Great logic lol.
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Yes. Because I only deal with it when it's a problem. You just tried to make that seem like a lot of work, when it's like 30 seconds when the lights flash.

Swapping batteries is just convenient. I have enough shit that needs to be plugged in all the time as is.
 
nib95 said:
Because they're not ignorant.
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so, they tried 2 billion colors to come up with ...black
and they spend 100mil to come up with a ..facelift

bodes very well for the rest..
 
jstevenson said:
Microsoft invests large sum of money to experiment and improve the primary input device you use the majority of the time you are playing games on your console.

GAF complains.
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Every single XBox One thread lately has turned into a complete shit show within 5 posts.
 
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