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[Elandyll]

Because no one honestly believes that, and because what he actually said garners more appproval from people who think diversity is bad

You think he actually -wants- to sound like a racist D Bag?

I think it's more of a case of being terrible at explaining your choices, but I guess that loving his cinematography makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt...

As per casting itself, you do not think it conceivable that out of say a possible 500+ audition casting (most likely in England) most of the applicants were white and all the children cast just ended up being white?
All I'm saying is that unless there is a definite will to have a diverse cast to start with (which is definitely something that could be blamed on Burton, and I think he is defending his approach of that, albeit in a very dumb way), this is the kind of casting that I can see happening and without necessarily involving malicious intent.

 

[sturgboski]

Because that still highlights a problem. The problem of "Why are the best/most qualified actors almost never actors of color?" And it's a problem that people with the clout of Tim Burton or Ridley Scott could help bring attention to, instead they hide behind their bullshit excuses.

Oh I absolutely agree. I'm just saying if you are going to go with a shitty answer, ranting like he did seems way worse. I agree, he really should be aiming for diversity, but I mean Johnny Depp can only do some much.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

Who gives a shit?

Let him make the movie he wants with the actors he wants in it.

Outrage over nothing by the PC police yet again.

Fucking babies.

as another poster itt stated, if he just came clean and said "because i wanted all white cast", then the backlash wouldnt so be severe. mr burton is a bright man, just made a not so bright statement. we're all capable of such stupidity. no one's perfect.

 

[Valhelm]

tim burton is such a hack

this one seems even more tired and derivative than the rest of his newer stuff

 

[Toxi]

He is saying that forced diversity for the sake of diversity is not the answer and hasn't been in the past (Brady Bunch) but is a thing now because of our over-sensitive outrage culture.

Honest question: Have you ever actually watched the Brady Bunch?

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Honest question: Have you ever actually watched the Brady Bunch?

I don't think he even read the article.

 

[PInk Tape]

Holy fucking shit. This response is deplorable.

What if they just couldn't get skilled enough actors for other races?

You've got to be joking.

 

[Maebe]

Well damn. I never paid attention to his interviews before but what an asshole.

 

[zeemumu]

I feel bad for Tim; he used to be a real talent and now he makes some of the worst big-budget movies of the current century.

I mean, fuck him for this statement, but still. Must be really frustrating to watch your talent just run through your fingers like water.

His original stuff is usually good but his adaptations are usually where the problems are, Batman excluded.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

My apologies for disrupting the PC circlejerk.

He is saying that forced diversity for the sake of diversity is not the answer and hasn't been in the past (Brady Bunch) but is a thing now because of our over-sensitive outrage culture.

I agree with him. I prefer to let people put actors in movies that they feel like putting in their fucking movie.

Carry on though guys, stay MAD!

You didn't need to expand. Your stupidity was already clear after your initial post.

 

[Big Baybee]

My apologies for disrupting the PC circlejerk.

He is saying that forced diversity for the sake of diversity is not the answer and hasn't been in the past (Brady Bunch) but is a thing now because of our over-sensitive outrage culture.

I agree with him. I prefer to let people put actors in movies that they feel like putting in their fucking movie.

Carry on though guys, stay MAD!

Stay racist!

 

[WrenchNinja]

You think he actually -wants- to sound like a racist D Bag?

I think it's more of a case of being terrible at explaining your choices, but I guess that loving his cinematography makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt...

As per casting itself, you do not think it conceivable that out of say a possible 500+ audition casting (most likely in England) most of the applicants were white and all the children cast just ended up being white?
All I'm saying is that unless there is a definite will to have a diverse cast to start with (which is definitely something that could be blamed on Burton, and I think he is defending his approach of that, albeit in a very dumb way), this is the kind of casting that I can see happening and without necessarily involving malicious intent.

half the us and uk are okay with siding with racist douchebags

 

[Bay Maximus]

Fuck you Tim Burton. Seriously. Guaranteed I won't be spending my hard earned money on watching movies. To be fair though, it won't be difficult as he lost his touch a long time ago.

 

[Lijik]

He can't use "I have black friends" since if he did, they'd be in his movies.

brutal

 

[lightskintwin]

I'm not sure why he couldn't say "We had a casting, we put emphasis on kids really knocking it out of the park with the role they auditioned for, and the kids who closely matched the roles just happened to be white in the end." ?

Going into the Blacksploitation and Baddy bunch stuff... yeesh. Looks pretty bad.

Still very much looking forward to the movie though.

If they had a open casting call for all ethnicities, then that would've been a good answer. And after googling, at least from what I could find the lead role of Jacob was indeed open to all ethnicities.

https://www.backstage.com/casting/miss-peregrines-home-for-peculiar-children-30880/

While not ideal, wouldn't something along the lines of what they chose the actors that they did be a better answer? I mean "these were the most qualified actors" while not at all ideal seems less offensive than what he said.

That's 10 times a better answer than he gave.

My apologies for disrupting the PC circlejerk.

He is saying that forced diversity for the sake of diversity is not the answer and hasn't been in the past (Brady Bunch) but is a thing now because of our over-sensitive outrage culture.

I agree with him. I prefer to let people put actors in movies that they feel like putting in their fucking movie.

Carry on though guys, stay MAD!

As insensitive and rude the tone of this post is, this is the cold reality. We should be encouraging diversity but I don't know about shaming director's who cast all white if that's what they wanted and it wasn't white washing anything. Although we definitely should shame, mock, and make fun of terrible responses justifying their decision. LOL

You think he actually -wants- to sound like a racist D Bag?

I think it's more of a case of being terrible at explaining your choices, but I guess that loving his cinematography makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt...

As per casting itself, you do not think it conceivable that out of say a possible 500+ audition casting (most likely in England) most of the applicants were white and all the children cast just ended up being white?
All I'm saying is that unless there is a definite will to have a diverse cast to start with (which is definitely something that could be blamed on Burton, and I think he is defending his approach of that, albeit in a very dumb way), this is the kind of casting that I can see happening and without necessarily involving malicious intent.

This is also true, even in general there are way more White people going for these roles.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Should this ruin his career?

 

[yodathesoda]

Honest question: Have you ever actually watched the Brady Bunch?

In the Brady Bunch they introduced a random Asian and Black child. It seemed forced and stupid even for the Brady Bunch. That's his analogy. He doesn't want to be forced into casting choices to satisfy racial diversity.

Do you even know what Burton is referring to?

 

[Toxi]

Should this ruin his career?

Tim Burton already did a pretty good job at that.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Tim Burton already did a pretty good job at that.

Let's give him enough leash to at least finish BeetleJuice 2.

 

[Toxi]

In the Brady Bunch they introduced a random Asian and Black child. It seemed forced and stupid even for the Brady Bunch. That's his analogy. He doesn't want to be forced into casting choices to satisfy racial diversity.

Do you even know what Burton is referring to?

It's literally one episode in one of the blandest, sappiest, whitest shows I've ever seen.

But yes, continue complaining about forced diversity in the fucking Brady Bunch of all places.

 

[old]

Countdown to backtrack in 3...2...1...

 

[PSqueak]

He can't use "I have black friends" since if he did, they'd be in his movies.

sensible-chuckle.gif

 

[MisterGrey3000]

That was...very, very ignorant.
Come on Tim...

Honestly, when it comes to calls for diversity or criticism regarding the lack of it I really wish film/game/TV directors would just be honest with us.
I'm sick of these lame excuses.
If he said something akin to "When I read the source material I imagined most of the characters as white people, and caste them as such; while I'm certainly not opposed to the concept, racial diversity just wasn't a major priority in my vision of the film and I stand by the decisions I've made.", I wouldn't have even responded to the thread.
It would have been a simple, relatable, and relatively reasonable answer imo.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Tim Burton already did a pretty good job at that.

Agreed. He's now relegated to joining the cavalcade of people trying to launch franchises on the shoulders of popular YA books and the movie is relegated to the September dumping ground to boot.

 

[Derwind]

My apologies for disrupting the PC circlejerk.

He is saying that forced diversity for the sake of diversity is not the answer and hasn't been in the past (Brady Bunch) but is a thing now because of our over-sensitive outrage culture.

I agree with him. I prefer to let people put actors in movies that they feel like putting in their fucking movie.

Carry on though guys, stay MAD!

Can you take a second without projecting your issues with societies growing social awareness. No? Okay.

Anyways, speaking on the BOLDED, the issue was with his excuse, no one has ever "forced" Tim Burton to do anything, especially to approach the topic of diversity at all. Rather than saying he hadn't been bothered to think about diversity, he tries to hide behind an excuse which paints the picture of him as a victim.

If you agree with him not casting in a more diverse tone, fine, and if you think his excuse for it is a good one, again fine but don't try to dictate to others how to feel about an excuse that isnt all that compelling.

 

[yodathesoda]

It's literally one episode in one of the blandest, sappiest, whitest shows I've ever seen.

But yes, continue complaining about forced diversity in the fucking Brady Bunch of all places.

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

 

[Big Baybee]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

People know what his fucking point was. It's a dumb ass shitty fucking point that people disagree with. Can you comprehend that?

 

[Sesuadra]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

Oh I definitely see his point and understand it.

And it's shit.

 

[PSqueak]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

You seem to be willingly ignoring all the people who called out the fact that he tried to make the tokenism argument where it didn't apply and then doubled down with the worst possible analogy ever (blaxplotation).

But yeah, pretend you're the smart one.

 

[ExplodingKetchup]

Who gives a shit?

Let him make the movie he wants with the actors he wants in it.

Outrage over nothing by the PC police yet again.

Fucking babies.

tfw you're outraged by people talking on a forum

 

[Nepenthe]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

His point is that putting in arbitrary white people is fine but putting in arbitrary black people is political correctness. It's racist, like you are.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

People understand the point. The point is bullshit. Nobody is asking for "forced diversity", but if you think casting people of color is "forced diversity" than that sort of highlights the problem. Why would or should it need to be forced? You are the one seemingly too small minded to comprehend things here. Fuck off already if you have nothing but shit "I'm outraged at your outrage" type posts to add.

 

[yodathesoda]

His point is that putting in arbitrary white people is fine but putting in arbitrary black people is political correctness. It's racist, like you are.

And I'm done. If you think this was his point then I don't know what to say.

Stay mad hivemind.

 

[lightskintwin]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with the movie he's made in it's casting, but keep it real, that was a terrible answer he gave. C'mon, you gotta admit that.

 

[Lebron]

Y'all getting baited by a dude with under a 0 post average


come on brehs

 

[PSqueak]

Stay mad hivemind.

says the guy who is angry at people on gaf having a discussion and is taking his ball and going home.

 

[Crocodile]

*braces self for shitty answer to this sort of question* (They are pretty much always shitty)

*Reads answer*

LMFAO that's even worse than I thought it would be. Sigh.

I see this thread is filled with some of the "typical" responses too. Disappointing.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

And I'm done. If you think this was his point then I don't know what to say.

Stay mad hivemind.

The "i'm done" post. Always a promising sign that someone has an argument worth supporting. Have you fucked off yet?

 

[Big Baybee]

Y'all getting baited by a dude with under a 0 post average


come on brehs

Yea......wish these cowards would use their real accounts.

 

[Moonkid]

Ah, the classic "forced diversity" bogeyman. Close cousin to the "poorly written minority".

 

[Zeyphersan]

Is there even such a thing as "forced diversity"? Like as a concept

I'm leaning towards no

 

[Socreges]

And I'm done. If you think this was his point then I don't know what to say.

Stay mad hivemind.

So you'll enlighten us then?

Y'all getting baited by a dude with under a 0 post average


come on brehs

As someone familiar with yoda, he believes every word.

 

[PSqueak]

Yea......wish these cowards would use their real accounts.

TFW when someone's sock puppet account for trolling has a custom title and you don't.

;_;

 

[Big Baybee]

Is there even such a thing as "forced diversity"? Like as a concept

I'm leaning towards no

There isn't.

 

[Slayven]

And I'm done. If you think this was his point then I don't know what to say.

Stay mad hivemind.

Hahaha

1. post some bullshit
2. double down and try to hyper rationlize some bullshit
3. do "I am done" trying to raise above it


It is formula now

 

[PInk Tape]

I can't argue with you people that don't even understand the point Burton was making because you can't comprehend it.

We understand what he's saying loud and clear; it's you who doesn't understand where the rest of us are coming from.

Stop blaming us for not agreeing with your narrow minded opinion.

edit: lol pulling out the hivemind card

Is there even such a thing as "forced diversity"? Like as a concept

I'm leaning towards no

You're correct.

That concept was created by people who just don't want to see or cast minorities in roles other than the stereotypical ones.

 

[lightskintwin]

Is there even such a thing as "forced diversity"? Like as a concept

I'm leaning towards no

Affirmative action

That's what they really mean.

 

[PSqueak]

Is there even such a thing as "forced diversity"? Like as a concept

I'm leaning towards no

Well, there was that thread about hollywood scampering to shoehorning chinese actors to court China.

And the Chinese seem unimpressed with their efforts so far.

But as defined in the tim burton quote?

I believe it has been dead since the end of the 90's, writers have gotten a bit better with dealing with diversity over the years, not ideal (ie, we still struggle to see diversity on the screen), but doesn't feel forced anymore when they actually go for it.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

In the Brady Bunch they introduced a random Asian and Black child. It seemed forced and stupid even for the Brady Bunch. That's his analogy. He doesn't want to be forced into casting choices to satisfy racial diversity.

Do you even know what Burton is referring to?

Except the source material isn't as white as the movie, so his argument is really fucking stupid.

You'd know that if you read the article.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

At first I thought he meant, like, casting directors and such when he said "things". "Ok, that's reasonable, I guess" I naively thought "The director probably doesn't have complete control over the actor pool and who actually gets considered for the role. It sucks but that's Hollywood".

And then I read the rest. Jesus Christ, he could not have said that in a worse way short of "I don't want black or Asian kids in my movies".

He didn't say he didn't want black or Asian kids, he said he didn't want "an Asian kid or a black."

Hooooooly shit.