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Tim Burton on Why 'Miss Peregrine's Home For Peculiar Children' is Mostly White
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When I clicked on this thread I was thinking to myself "I didn't even notice most of the cast other than Samuel L Jackson is white. I wonder what fictional plot excuse Tim Burton will give for the casting decisions?". I definitely wasn't expecting a response so "blatant" and lazy.
I'm not actually mad. I'm laughing and joking with my friend because of the shitstorm about to ensue on Burton's ass.
Meanwhile, you're the one who came in the thread and called us all "fucking babies" and part of a hivemind because you've failed spectacularly to see you're offended as well, offended that this poor, oppressed victim with millions of dollars and no fucks to give to you for your desperate white knighting is getting online blowback for some ignorant remarks he is fully responsible for. And of course, you're not explaining the point. We're just all magically missing this salient point that you in all of your wisdom have managed to glean and simultaneously failed to elaborate on this entire time. Textbook shitposting.
So if you're not going to drop the attitude and terrible contributions, at least drop the projection of your own anger. Or leave and burn your account; like Burton, I don't give a shit.
Spring-Loaded
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"A black" sounds like a nice companion card to "The gays" in cards against humanity
EDIT: ^damn @ the fire
EDIT: ^damn @ the fire
I give a shit.
He can make any movie he wants just as readily as we are willing to criticism him for it.
Not sure why this offends you so much.
Oh what it must be like to be so privileged that you never have to fight to be on equal footing.
I just realized that Yodathesoda thinks it's random that a black kid and an Asian kid adopted by a white family would show up in a white suburb in one episode of a 117 episode long show.
LOL I somehow found someone whose perspective of the world is more white than the fucking Brady Bunch.
LOL I somehow found someone whose perspective of the world is more white than the fucking Brady Bunch.
Forced casting is not really a thing for a director that's been in the business for 30+ years.
There are contracts/lawyers in place to stop that nonsense.
The issue is that if/when the ticket sales projection drops, they want to have a scapegoat(PC Culture, BLM...ect) to blame, rather than blaming the free market or their own inability to take constructive criticism.
People usually crying about censorship are just upset the free-market isn't always on their side.
Heavy_D206
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I'd be surprised if this gets any traction at all.
Hollywood doesn't give a shit about diversity. They care about selling tickets.
There are pedophile directors out there who still get honored by all the Hollywood Elites.
Hollywood doesn't give a shit about diversity. They care about selling tickets.
There are pedophile directors out there who still get honored by all the Hollywood Elites.
It's no surprise "these type of threads" get heated. Racism is a pretty big deal.
lightskintwin
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It was literally only one poster who was heated calling everybody fucking babies for even talking about this on an online forum within a thread specifically made for that purpose.
Random in the sense that, since the show was so intensely white, you immediately knew that the moment minorities showed up it had to be the result of PC meddling. I see his point. It was random. But...that's progress. And important. You have an incredibly popular TV show broadcast nationwide that's unrepresentative of the country's realities. The alternative is that it remains that way always for the sake of creative purity.
There is so much wrong with Burton's quote otherwise, too. It clearly comes from a place of isolation and ignorance.
Professor Beef
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Looking through his post history, he's not a fan of black people but loves him some police.
LilWayneSuckz
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I knew Tim Burton's movies were melanin deficient..but his response is disgusting.
Also "...a black..." so I can't watch another Tim Burton movie.
Also "...a black..." so I can't watch another Tim Burton movie.
Professor Beef
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honestly i'm still shook that he used "a black." Like...I'm laughing myself into anger here.
AlexMeloche
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....this doesn't make sense. Burton movies has aleays been about people who are different and stuff. 
This make me sad.
This make me sad.
Jeffolation
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She did?
His answer is pretty bad as is his track record, but this diversity thing never even occurred to me while watching the film. It's primarily set in a children's home in 1943 Wales. Yeah, that's certainly gonna be all or mostly white.
I think in the context of the setting and story, it's just as dumb to shoehorn minority actors in to be politically correct.
Yeah, it's not like people were calling for more diversity in our media back then to the extent that you'd be seriously bothered by it.
Discotheque
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Pad your scripts with 120 n-words and defend yourself by saying you put Samuel Jackson as one of the smarter characters in it brehs....
No lie those are two of my favorite things in film how did I know not about this movie.
Captin Quacker
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but the book it's based off of is diverse tho
....this doesn't make sense. Burton movies has aleays been about people who are different and stuff.
This make me sad.
Scissors for hands isn't being "politically correct"
CharminUltra
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That response is like... what is this I don't even...
A Link to the Past
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So like
Does Tim Burton understand that labeling a non-white character in the Brady Bunch (implied label anyway) as token makes him a huge racist
Does Tim Burton understand that labeling a non-white character in the Brady Bunch (implied label anyway) as token makes him a huge racist
It's also a fantasy story full of magic and monsters. I find those to be a little less credible than an orphaned black kid in the UK in the 40s (of which there were certainly black people living there since Antiquity). Das jus me doe.
Regardless, that's missing the point. The point is that people can't just say "I wanted a white cast" or justify the whiteness of a cast through narrative means. They instead make the arbitrary existence of characters who aren't white within film a political maneuver, a deliberate decision based upon political correctness, simply because- oh shit- they have to be reminded that non-white people exist due to us not being the default image that's usually conjured up when a person thinks up a fictional character. There is almost always no reason given for any character in a given story to be white, but non-white characters are expected to justify their existence beyond creative liberty because they're just such a rare enigma, even in stories where even bigger liberties are already taken with reality such as throwing monsters and magic all over the place. It's a hurdle that is inherently racist through its lack of necessity and uneven application to different actors, thus it flies in the face of the oft-repeated sentiment here and elsewhere that Hollywood is in any way a meritocracy.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Well, it was also same with the Coen brothers. You can tell that thoughts like this never cross their mind, and they're caught off guard and scramble to not look like a racist, giving an awkward answer that ends up feeling kinda racist anyway.
I feel the same way I did when the Coens gave their answer, I don't think they're racist at all, but they obviously never give this stuff a second thought and just stay in a comfort zone.
Coffee Dog
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That is racism.
Discotheque
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Yeah I think if he just mentioned the setting and time period he has pretty solid reasoning. Dude dug the whole further with his musings tho.
UnemployedVillain
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This isn't exactly a good reason either. So what if 98% of Wales is white? 98% of people don't fall into this group of peculiar children either. There's no reason they couldn't be diverse
starchild excalibur
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Damn, like how hard is it to say, "I chose the actors that I felt fit the roles the best based off their talent and rapport. I know that on a surface level it may be easy to assume there isn't enough diversity in the casting, but I'm confident that I went with the choices that I felt would bring these characters to life in the best possible way" or some shit?
Is "I watched blaxsploitation films" now the cinema version of "I have black friends?"
Is "I watched blaxsploitation films" now the cinema version of "I have black friends?"
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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If you were a Tim's PR person how would you answer the question?
A simple "we fucked up"?
A simple "we fucked up"?
LilWayneSuckz
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Samuel L. Jackson:
I don't know how I wanted Sam to react to this...but I would at least want him to call him out on the "a black" part...although it seems like the interviewer may not have informed Jackson....
I don't know how I wanted Sam to react to this...but I would at least want him to call him out on the "a black" part...although it seems like the interviewer may not have informed Jackson....
Solid SOAP
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Bad question, bad answer
HP_Wuvcraft
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Shocker.
People who are not prejudice can actually grasp a prejudice persons point of view.
News at 11.
Oh wait. Banned. Yeah.
I don't presume to know, neither should you. Just trying to look at this from another lens.
No they're not? There are far more white actors than other races, though. So obviously there will be more talent to choose from...
Edit: By the way, I'm assuming this is for child actors based on the title of the film. If the book/story is all adults then that's a different story and there's definitely racist implications in the casting.
Megawarrior
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'A black' eek. You can tell he's been in his white bubble a bit too long. Jesus.
A Link to the Past
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That's ridiculous. There are plenty of non-white actors. Movies don't have all-white casts because they just can't find the right non-white actors, despite how often people will push that lie.
I can see his thought process behind what he's saying. In his mind, an all white or mostly white cast is the default. You'd only go outside the default if you were making a movie that specifically called for other races (like a blaxsploitation film). Otherwise, it would feel like casting POC for the sake of it, not for the film.
The problem for older white guys like Tim Burton is that this used to be how most people thought. Increasingly, it's not, and that's unquestionably good for POC/everyone. But it leaves Tim in an outmoded place because he apparently hasn't taken the time to notice that things have changed--or think through why and what it means.
The problem for older white guys like Tim Burton is that this used to be how most people thought. Increasingly, it's not, and that's unquestionably good for POC/everyone. But it leaves Tim in an outmoded place because he apparently hasn't taken the time to notice that things have changed--or think through why and what it means.
Discotheque
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honestly the dentist thing is kinda funny, great casting as well for the father. shit movie tho.
anyways his bombastic filmmaking was so enjoyable in the 90s. he lost it as soon as the millennium hit. before that though he was one of the more entertaining popular directors out there. i don't think i disliked one movie of his until planet of the apes (and then it was shit after shit). before that though he had an impressive run of movies. hella consistent.
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