Don't really notice that, all I see is how lazy it is.
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Tite Kubo's Bleach Manga Nears Ending
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Don't really notice that, all I see is how lazy it is.
I mean when he's drawing them in casual clothing, not their regular outfits.
SigmasonicX
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When people talk about Kubo's clothing design, they usually refer to the color pages, which often look like fashion shoots. I believe it was Encyclopedia Dramatica that had a very good parody page that presented Bleach as a reality show about fashion models. Unfortunately, that's not what the page is anymore.
A lot of scenes from the anime openings and endings depicting everyone in casual clothes are based on these color pages. Opening 4, for example.
EDIT: It was Uncyclopedia that had the fashion parody page for Bleach.
A lot of scenes from the anime openings and endings depicting everyone in casual clothes are based on these color pages. Opening 4, for example.
EDIT: It was Uncyclopedia that had the fashion parody page for Bleach.
Oh yeah, they're good, I guess, even though he may be copying them directly from some real life examples, for all I know. Can't judge his creativity based on that.
But, relating to your previous post, I considered Kubo a good character designer up until the end of the Arrancar arc. I really liked the espadas, especially, as opposed to the Quincies, where the only not hideous one is Haschwalth.
MrSaturn99
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If we're talking about the original ending, yeah. Probably held the record for worst WSJ ending until Reborn.
The Kanzenban's conclusion, however, gave me legit shivers. I personally really like how
it subverts shonen tropes by NOT having the hero obtain his dream.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWp5SGzUEAAlare.jpg
Way better group shot then what Bleach was going for, try harder Kubo.
Way better group shot then what Bleach was going for, try harder Kubo.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
lol I look at bleach's group shot and half the characters shown are 120% fucking irrelevant to the story
I think this Tumblr post does a good job going over the issues for the ending.
Basically,
Nah even with the degree of same face that tends to be exhibited in Kubo's art I'd still call him a good character artist. Maybe I give him so much props (on this particular front) because he's so willing to include People of Color as major characters in his work and they look good/cool instead of weird/racist caricatures (though there is one exception I recall which was kind of unfortunate :/). That's a bar 90% of manga authors can't clear.
Basically,
none of the fates of the final cast match up with their character development across the series, tons of plot threads were unfinished, relationships are all borked.
Nah even with the degree of same face that tends to be exhibited in Kubo's art I'd still call him a good character artist. Maybe I give him so much props (on this particular front) because he's so willing to include People of Color as major characters in his work and they look good/cool instead of weird/racist caricatures (though there is one exception I recall which was kind of unfortunate :/). That's a bar 90% of manga authors can't clear.
Unspeakable Evil
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Rukia always looked she was 11 to me.
SkywardBeam
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He created the most handsome character to ever grace a piece of paper, and I will always thank him for that
What concerns everything else, thanks for wasting my time, you friggin' hack. What a fool I was for expecting some sort of pay-off after FIFTEEN f***ing years.
But at least I learned a valuable lesson and will never immerse myself in an unfinished manga again.
What concerns everything else, thanks for wasting my time, you friggin' hack. What a fool I was for expecting some sort of pay-off after FIFTEEN f***ing years.
But at least I learned a valuable lesson and will never immerse myself in an unfinished manga again.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
every black person in bleach turns into an animal of some sort
yoruichi turns into a cat licking her white master
zommari turns into god knows wtf
lille becomes a flamingo
tousen turns into a giant bug monster
there's that one black sternritter who becomes an ape
fucking kubo
I'm talking about the color page itself. It's not very colorful, looks very empty and so much white.
lol, I think you're projecting a little.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
twas a joke but I do think he's fairly diverse, more so than most manga-ka
Kishi's black stereotypes are just lol
oh god never
Finally read it.
That... wasn't very good. Can't hate too much on Kubo for that, though, it's obvious they forced him to close everything as quickly as possible. Still, he brought this upon himself.
Is a continuation in another magazine already official?
And that is...?
That... wasn't very good. Can't hate too much on Kubo for that, though, it's obvious they forced him to close everything as quickly as possible. Still, he brought this upon himself.
Is a continuation in another magazine already official?
And that is...?
A bit exaggerated, but she did turn into a mindless beast. I would put it more under chauvinistic than racist (lets not forget that Urahara isn't white), but it was kinda off. Everyone gets to look cool, but her ultimate is to be a monster that needed a strong man to lead her (and still ultimately failed).
He had four years and wasted them with meaningless fights.
TheRealTalker
Banned
That, but he does character expressions really well too.
I always adore shaded stern faces
Toriko has a ton of it
God Dayumm
Banned
Do you consider Driscoll Berci black? I think he was cool, too bad he was treated as fodder for Yamamoto. I would have liked to see more of him
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
idk, I never really saw enough of any of the Sternritter to give a shit about them
they were all such nothing characters
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Lol. I forgot that Kubo wrote poetry about Ichigo and Rukia.
He does poetry all the time, in the volumes at the start I believe he does one for who's ever on the cover.
The bolded one is the only one that bothered me (which I mention but not by name). The rest are you trying a bit too hard IMO (LMAO @ white master). Again, that's just my opinion though.
(I'm Black but I'm going to assume you are as well. Not that would give me or anyone a free pass on potentially racist opinion or anything but I just feel I should make that clear)
Byakuya769
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Umm.. every single black character turning into a monstrosity or feral is trying too hard? I mean "white master" yeah.. try hard, but she did turn into a nude feral mess.
But I think an Ape named Jerome is pretty much all you need to win this argument.
Principate
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Eh it has the same win record as most of Ichigo's forms, 1
There is distinctly racist imagery connecting Black people with apes of all sorts. As such, whenever that sort of imagery is invoked, even unintentionally, I'm prone to call foul. There is no such association with bug monsters or whatever. Like Tousen was a poorly written character whose end was unsatisfactory but I thought his normal form was a great design and I see nothing offensive, even accidentally, about his hollow form (it was stupid and ugly though). Like human villains turning into monsters is such a normal thing (and happened to tons of the villains in Bleach) in fiction in general that I'm not going to call foul unless it crosses with real world racist stereotypes.
With regard to Yourichi, I do think it sucks she couldn't finish the job and wasn't given the win - that she needed someone to swoop in to finish the fight. However, berserker/feral forms are a dime a dozen for protagonists in fiction and there is no long standing, to my knowledge, inherently racist association with people of color and cats (unlike for apes). Like why should I find that offensive from a racism standpoint?
Byakuya769
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Historically, black people have been considered sub-human and have been frequently compared to animals. In Bleach, nearly every single black character becomes some sort of animal or monstrous. If you don't look at it in the aggregate, sure, you can talk yourself out of calling it what it is.
Regarding Yoruichi... what other female is granted a form that strips off all of her clothes in Bleach?
None.
Oh wait.. there's one... another dark-skinned character, Harrabel.
Unspeakable Evil
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Man I remember back in the day when fans would argue about Yoruichi's race.
That, but he does character expressions really well too.
Goddamn that start of the arc and their fight was actually great. The whole bankai-pilfering nonsense and then the immediately sharp downward trajectory was such a shame.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
I'm not being serious lol
but the Jerome black ape thing is so ridiculously on-the-nose I can't believe Kubo put it in there
The 10th Espada turned into some weird Dinosaur thing. The 9th Espada became a giant Octopus. The 8th Espada became a fucking Plant. The 5th Espada became a Mantis. Grimmjow became a Panther. Ulquiorra became a Bat-thing. Like turning into animals/monsters is what most of the hollow type enemies did. I'm not going to call foul if the dark-skinned hollow enemies do the same thing.
You're right that through history we've often been called subhuman - but there is specific animal imagery that has and hasn't been used. You can't take ALL animal imagery off the table. Yourichi has been associated with cats since her introduction. In using cat imagery throughout history, I think of Egypt and their position as Gods before anything else. Unless you're going to arguing putting cat ears and a cat tail for cosplay is like racist if applied to People of Color?
As for the fanservice, I mean that was clearly not just restricted to Yourichi and Hallibel. Lots of women, even fighters, were in various conditions of undress over the course of the manga. Maybe they got the most naked (I have to think about the other women and Bleach to really remember everything that happened) but you're going to have a hard time selling me on a racism argument.
Gun to my head I would say India or South/South East Asian in general but yeah I don't think its super clear
Ah ok. Yeah I agree about that Quicny thing though. If I was an editor at WSJ I would be SCREAMING at him to not do that. Alas, I doubt your average Japanese editor is that woke.
CopperPuppy
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Man, those color spreads bring back some memories...
Makes me sad to look at what Kubo turned this series into.
Unspeakable Evil
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That's usually what people pick.Gun to my head I would say India or South/South East Asian in general but yeah I don't think its super clear
I'm remember when I use to think she was gonna take on Harribel....
Yes I use to be a big Bleach fan
Watch how next week there will be another chapter like nothing happened.
It will start with a double spreed of everyones fun happy times at Ichigos clinic. Followed by another double spreed of the same scene, but it shows cracks. The cracks are growing with some more doublespreads until the scene finally shatters.
Ichigo is lying on the ground, in front of him are all the Sternritters assembled as well as Ywach. Ywach says: "Did you enjoy the future I showed you, Ichigo?"
Ichigo is shocked and manages to only stutter a dumbfounded "What is...", before someone steps out of Ywachs shadow.
It is Aizen. "When were you under the impression that it was over?"
All the Sternritter and Ywach kneel and Aizen says "Bankai."
Ywach suddenly turns into a sword and flys into Aizens hand.
"Nothing is over."
It will start with a double spreed of everyones fun happy times at Ichigos clinic. Followed by another double spreed of the same scene, but it shows cracks. The cracks are growing with some more doublespreads until the scene finally shatters.
Ichigo is lying on the ground, in front of him are all the Sternritters assembled as well as Ywach. Ywach says: "Did you enjoy the future I showed you, Ichigo?"
Ichigo is shocked and manages to only stutter a dumbfounded "What is...", before someone steps out of Ywachs shadow.
It is Aizen. "When were you under the impression that it was over?"
All the Sternritter and Ywach kneel and Aizen says "Bankai."
Ywach suddenly turns into a sword and flys into Aizens hand.
"Nothing is over."
Thank god it's over.
Goddammit Kubo!
Why would anyone want to after this. He was also a shitter Zommari
King Gilga
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Soooo grimmjow... What the fuck happened to him?
Whatever bleach's shittiness was it always had great style, especially earlier on.
Whatever bleach's shittiness was it always had great style, especially earlier on.
Dead, like Urahara, Yourchi, her shitty brother and Nel....unless Kubo says otherwise.
This is Tite Kubo, so assume alive until proven dead, even at the manga's very end.
Well, whatever counts as alive here anyway, I suppose your conciousness still existing and being able to inhabit a body. At any rate seems kind of anti climatic to have her jump in to save them and nothing comes of that in this type of manga.
He created the most handsome character to ever grace a piece of paper, and I will always thank him for that
What concerns everything else, thanks for wasting my time, you friggin' hack. What a fool I was for expecting some sort of pay-off after FIFTEEN f***ing years.
But at least I learned a valuable lesson and will never immerse myself in an unfinished manga again.
Not only handsome, also just plain the best. Aizen carried the manga, even in his absence sometimes. Dude knew he was the most handsome creature in Bleach canon, that's why even when fighting he prioritized elegance with those deliberate swings. There will likely never be another.
Permanently A
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It slays me that this was supposed to be Uryu's arc and you can't even see his fucking face on the cover.
Elfforkusu
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Not a great final chapter, but probably a better finale than the manga deserved after its stunning descent into the dumpster.
Of course there were a million loose ends. What gave anyone the impression Kubo was capable of tying any of them up?
Of course there were a million loose ends. What gave anyone the impression Kubo was capable of tying any of them up?
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