TLC cancels 19 Kids and Counting after oldest Kid admits to molesting children
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This move by the police won't save the Duggars show probably.TLC may decide to cancel the show still.
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The Autumn Wind
I think we're way beyond the show being cancelled at this point.
GoonerTRON
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Noone gives a fuckabee about what you say Mike. I always question people that stick up for pedos.
Between 2002-2003 when he was 14-15 are the only incidents on report. The report is from a felony investigation in 2006 by police where Duggar confessed to those incidents during that time frame. If it was properly reported in 2002, Duggar would've been charged with sexual assault in the second degree, which is a class B felony. The statute of limitations is 3 years, so by 2006 he is in the clear and the police couldn't press charges. The defenders just need to STFU. Sexual assault is not part of growing up or whatever garbage they are saying.
The InTouch article has more detail:
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...leged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906
Wow. It's too late, cat's out of the bag, but still. You get friends in high places, you commit atrocities, and you get special consideration. Fuck all those Arkansas politicians that helped hide this (unless it's what the victims wanted, I guess).
EdibleKnife
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They said that request was put in by a minor who asked the judge to have the records destroyed so they could remain anonymous but the cynical part of me (the one that's seen the schedule of how the Duggar's handled this and the way they 'counsel' molestation for women) says "protecting the victims" is the excuse they use to keep the family and particularly Josh in a protective bubble.
It began when he was 14 in 2002 and investigation began due to a complaint in 2006 when he would be around 18. And the report only stops when Josh is 15. With 5 victims, I doubt he victimized them all in the span of 1 year and stopped dead.
The Chosen One
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Wait a sec..... am I the only one doing the math here?
Josh is now 27. This supposedly only happened in 2002 - 2003, 12-13 years ago when Josh was 14-15 years old..... if the victim who requested for the records to be destroyed is still a minor, that means she's 17 years-old right now at the oldest. Which means 12-13 years ago, she was 4-5 years old at the oldest... so Josh was either molesting toddlers, which is on the extreme spectrum of pedophila or the molestation timeline the Duggers put forward is totally bogus and Josh has molested underage girls well after 2003. Either one is a serious issue and I'm amazed how the Arkansas court is allowing them to sweep it under the rug.
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I was thinking along those lines as well. It's ironic how a move used to obscure things has inadvertently shed more light on it.
lolwut. How does someone honestly defend something like this? Guess they gotta stick up for their own, but yeeeeeesh. "Good people" don't just accidentally do things like that.
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Higgins113
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It's not that funny
AzureRonin
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So there was a topic here maybe at the beginning of the month that I haven't stopped thinking about... I'm not sure how it ended off but the situation was eerily similar in circumstance to this. It was a guy with a religious family who continuously was "sinning"and couldn't say what it was for fear it would bring dire consequences. He had been struggling with it for years.
I can't find the topic now but upon reading it I immediately inferred paedophilia from the way the guy was posting. Anyone remember that topic and how it ended?
I can't find the topic now but upon reading it I immediately inferred paedophilia from the way the guy was posting. Anyone remember that topic and how it ended?
Yeah, according to a timeline that Gawker put together, four of the five victims were Josh's sisters, who (when he was 14) were 12, 11, 10, 9 and 5. Later in the article Gawker reports on an online commenter named "Alice" who posted about the allegations on messageboards back in 2007, and stated that "the oldest daughter was not touched" - as in, Josh had molested the 5-year old and not the 12-year old.
So it would make sense if the then 5-year old Duggar daughter is the one who is still a minor today and who put in the request (at the behest of her family) to destroy the police investigation records. EDIT: yeah, apparently Joy-Anna, the youngest daughter, is the only one of those five who is still a minor today.
And I don't see how anyone can view sexually molesting a pre-pubescent 5-year old (or her 9, 10, and 11-year old sisters) as something that just "happens" with teenage boys going through puberty, or something that a "sheltered" kid wouldn't understand is wrong.
http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
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From their Facebook fan page:
Yikes.
Yikes.
Bah, Huckabee by now has all sorts of cronies dicking around social media to Like and retweet and do whatever to boost support numbers for this dick.
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Some homeschooling materials.
dr3upmushroom
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not surprised by this one bit.
EdibleKnife
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"Dirt"? "Smear"? This is 5 children who had their innocence stolen from them and were barely acknowledged as victims even these 12 years later as they continued to sleep in the same home with their admitted molester. This is a family who's "good" has been to create an organization that works tirelessly to halt the progress of LGBT person-hood in its tracks, reducing them to reprehensible people in the eyes of hundreds of thousands of American Christians. They should pause with the "peace on earth" BS they're spouting only now when so many people have suffered and been dehumanized because almost everybody involved in this debacle didn't show even a fraction of that before their TV buddy went from famous to infamous.
Some homeschooling materials.
Neo didn't understand the one truth. There is no victim.
Also severely disturbed that an abusive husband gets 3 chances to feign remorse before it's time to call the police
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Their homeschooling materials are really eye-opening in terms of this craziness.
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DavionStriker
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I agree with this. While inexcusable, he was only 14. A 14 year old does not understand the ramifications of his actions. Also, look at the completely fubared environment all these kids were brought up in. No one had any privacy and sex was so taboo it was never mentioned. It became the equivalent of the forbidden closet of mystery.
The girls are double victims here. They are victims of their brother and the fucked up environment they were brought up in. Josh is definitely to blame for his actions, but he is also a victim of his crazy family. I don't know the proper name of their cult, but it is people like this that give Christians a bad name. The parents failed at every turn here. They are insane and Jim Bob has used the auspice of religion to control his family. Its no better than a cult leader.
There are scanned copies of the police report online but so this won't help.
This whole situation is terrible. Those poor girls. All these people defending Josh. What about the victims?
TLC should have cancelled this immediately. I'm almost positive that they already knew about this and did nothing. If Oprah knew, TLC knew.
excelsiorlef
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A 14 year old doesn't know that touching the genitalia of girls as young as 4 or 5 while they are sleeping is wrong?
Autumn Wind
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Someone may have already mentioned this but I am not going to bother searching for it. Isn't Mike Huckabee running for President? By having the viewpoints he has, this isn't going to help his run.
……forgetit
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He's running but he won't win. Republicans clean up in midterms because liberals seem to only care about the president.
onadesertedisland
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Quiverfull is a cult.
……forgetit
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This nearly made me vomit. I mean wtf is this? You're old enough to change your sister's diapers, so I assume he's at least 13, so when they're running around the house naked like many 2-5 year olds do, you think about them that the way? It's time to realize it's not your families fault, you have issues dude.
DavionStriker
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That is not what I said. They understand it is wrong but they do not understand the ramifications of their actions. Same if a 14 yr old murders someone. They are not tried as adults.
Oprah only knew because of a Tip-off e-mail sent to her/Harpo Productions before the show was made. They investigated and canceled. Which begs the question: Did TLC themselves get a tip-off e-mail and/or get an e-mail from Harpo Productions going "WTF" or was it kept from them?
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Sho_Nuff82
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The whole thing stinks, and Huckabee refusing to take the L because his TV puppets have been exposed as misogynistic cultists is sickening.
3 strikes for good Christians before you get authorities involved, and you make sure that it's outside the statute of limitations, and make sure the first authority is a close family friend and mutual sex criminal, and make sure the judge handling the legal material is a an appointee of your political sugar daddy.
The amount of privileged bullshit makes me want to gag. You can get away with literally anything in this country if you know the right people.
3 strikes for good Christians before you get authorities involved, and you make sure that it's outside the statute of limitations, and make sure the first authority is a close family friend and mutual sex criminal, and make sure the judge handling the legal material is a an appointee of your political sugar daddy.
The amount of privileged bullshit makes me want to gag. You can get away with literally anything in this country if you know the right people.
"I really hated having to change my sisters' diapers."
Bull-fucking-shit. 14 year olds are not mental incompetents, unable to think a single coherent thought.
borborygmus
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Someone did something similar to me when I was younger and I honestly can't completely blame her. It's very clear to me that she had no idea what she was doing. People mature at different rates and she was a young teen. Kids know right from wrong "in theory" only, not when they're in the thick of it.
I don't know anything about this guy, but I lean on the rehabilitation side of the debate just because of his age at the time.
I'd like to blame the parents, but then I get into the question: is parenting just a skill? Can I fault someone for being shitty at things? I am stuck there at the moment.
edit: Just to be clear, this is in no way apologetic towards sexual abuse. Dude needs to make amends, if he hasn't already. I just can't dismiss him as a total piece of trash and leave it at that. The person whose victim I was is in a good place now, and I have mostly overcome the messed-up-ness of that memory, so there could still be a way to mitigate the consequences of the guy's terrible actions.
edit #2: I apologize if my post is poorly written. I have a hard time discussing stuff like this.
I don't know anything about this guy, but I lean on the rehabilitation side of the debate just because of his age at the time.
I'd like to blame the parents, but then I get into the question: is parenting just a skill? Can I fault someone for being shitty at things? I am stuck there at the moment.
edit: Just to be clear, this is in no way apologetic towards sexual abuse. Dude needs to make amends, if he hasn't already. I just can't dismiss him as a total piece of trash and leave it at that. The person whose victim I was is in a good place now, and I have mostly overcome the messed-up-ness of that memory, so there could still be a way to mitigate the consequences of the guy's terrible actions.
edit #2: I apologize if my post is poorly written. I have a hard time discussing stuff like this.
I sense a spin-off...
ohhthegore
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Their homeschooling materials are really eye-opening in terms of this craziness.
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yo WTF
M0nochromatic
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That homeschooling curriculum and details of the cult make the whole "personal family rehabilitation" line of defense extremely questionable. Not to mention that according to the time line one of the victims was apparently 5 years old?
This is all so fucked.
This is all so fucked.
EdibleKnife
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Their homeschooling materials are really eye-opening in terms of this craziness.
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This diaper change part reeks. Hell, oniichans in anime have more fucking self control. Would it still be a fault of immodesty if the dude abused his little brothers because he "had to change their diapers?" Anyone looking at that as a sexual awakening needs more help than this curriculum can possibly provide.
adamsappel
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While I like this malapropism, the word is "scapegoat" and means the thing you put all the blame on.
Well these are the from the curriculum that was supposedly used so judge for yourself:
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Their homeschooling materials are really eye-opening in terms of this craziness.
More choice segments:
Those poor girls. I already thought the Duggar's were shit parents, but to give their daughters materials that imply that their molestation was their fault is disgusting. They were more concerned with their son being "tempted" than their daughters' wellbeing.
Banana Aeon
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That shit is inexcusably disgusting. The family should have never been placed on tv in the first place.
BIGWORM
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How the fuck is anybody 'enjoying' this? This is a selfish, disgusting, repeated act that needed exposure, not just casually swept under the rug. "Long ago sins?"
1. Whether it happened last week, or the last millennium, it needs to be recognized. Time makes no fucking difference.
2. Religion has nothing to do with the fact Josh committed these inexcusable acts. This wasn't violating God's will--this was Josh committing these acts, through and through.
Fuck you.
Praying for the family and the victims. I'm sure he wishes he could go back in time and change what happened. We were all young and made mistakes. I'm glad with the help of Christ he was able to change, many people just don't and stay in their ways. However, his actions are still bringing him consequences today, there's no getting away from that.
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