TLOU Season 2 Finale Viewership Drops 55% From Season 1 Finale
- Thread starter Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Why? what happened?
Thebonehead
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
One thing that baffled me about TLOU2: the whole post apocalyptic society is dropped in favour of the teenage drama.
The zombies are barely a backdrop.
The zombies are barely a backdrop.
Madflavor
Member
I'm glad it's becoming more and more accepted that Bella Ramsay was a total miscast. I never felt good about it when she was first announced, and even though she did fine in Season 1, there was still something about her I couldn't stand. She just came off as such an annoying brat, and it's been hilarious to see in Season 2, she's still playing that 14 year old annyoing brat, except she's supposed to be 19.
The biggest insult to injury is watching Kaitlyn Dever, who was poised to play Ellie years ago, absolutely acting circles around Bella.
The biggest insult to injury is watching Kaitlyn Dever, who was poised to play Ellie years ago, absolutely acting circles around Bella.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
TLOU2 writer tried to do Apocalypse now. But I doubt even Brando could have saved this amateur attempt.
KenaiPhoenix
Member
So the movie adaptation of a game that was always criticize for being really bad at its story telling is bad?
I didnt even bother to watch the show, but my brother was a fan of TLOU and showed me scenes, they somehow manage it to make it even cringier and worse. Thats truly am achievement.
I didnt even bother to watch the show, but my brother was a fan of TLOU and showed me scenes, they somehow manage it to make it even cringier and worse. Thats truly am achievement.
Raven117
Member
Exactly. Its armature. It feels amateur. The acting is amateur.TLOU2 writer tried to do Apocalypse now. But I doubt even Brando could have saved this amateur attempt.
Strategize
Member
Most Part II fans fucking WISH they did the same again lol. Not this sanitized, dumbed down, butchered version of Part II with worse acting.They really tried to do the same exact thing again and expected different results.
This isn't Part II, not even close.
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Fbh
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Angry_Megalodon
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Because zombies aren't an interesting foe. The problem with TLOU is that they don't have great human antagonists either. This is not TWD, not even a million miles close.
Besides, Neil Druckmann didn't know where to go with the zombie thing, "the cure" was just a poor mcGuffin to have the characters travel from point A to point B but nothing more. Therefore, that whole plot line is forgotten in Part 2, and for the better.
captainnapalm
Member
The show hasn't even hit the part gamers hated the most - where the story suddenly does a 180 and turns the villain into the protagonist and tries to make you feel sympathy for a totally unsympathetic character. This show is in trouble.
It's quite satisfying to see regular audiences get turned off too, and to see all those gamers who enjoyed the violent gameplay and tried to convince themselves this shit was Shakespeare or something look silly.
It's quite satisfying to see regular audiences get turned off too, and to see all those gamers who enjoyed the violent gameplay and tried to convince themselves this shit was Shakespeare or something look silly.
Ulysses 31
Member
A single or a few aren't but in hordes they're a force of nature few can withstand. It might've been interesting to see what the survivors have learned of them over the decades and how they've adapted to get around unscathed as much as possible.
elcapitano
Member
Give it a week and it'll have 37 million views which is more than season 1 so....
There is a reason Game of Thrones skipped memorial day weekend. It eats initial viewership on the day
There is a reason Game of Thrones skipped memorial day weekend. It eats initial viewership on the day
elcapitano
Member
It's averaging 37 million views an episode so more than season 1.....
Sushi_Combo
Member
Sad because Season 1 was pretty decent, steep drop in quality very early on in S2 led me to just tune out completely.
PleazureDome
Member
TLOU2 writer tried to do Apocalypse now. But I doubt even Brando could have saved this amateur attempt.
Kurtz: Did they say why, Willard, why they want to terminate my command?
Willard: I was sent on a classified mission, sir.
Kurtz: It's no longer classified, is it? Did they tell you?
Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.
Kurtz: I expected someone like you. What did you expect? Are you an assassin?
Willard: I'm a soldier.
Kurtz: You're neither. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.
bitbydeath
Member
At least the show won't force you to try kill Ellie. That's when I checked out on the game.
Kabelly
Member
No Iron Fist Abby
No Care
These shows really can't shine without those moments in between when you're stealthing around, head shotting people and smashing bottles in their faces.
I'm guessing there isn't one scene in the show where Abby punches a clicker right in the face?
No Care
These shows really can't shine without those moments in between when you're stealthing around, head shotting people and smashing bottles in their faces.
I'm guessing there isn't one scene in the show where Abby punches a clicker right in the face?
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captainnapalm
Member
Wrong - season 1 was 32 million an episode in the US alone - although those numbers are supposedly not reliable. Season 2 is 37 million worldwide - so it is down a lot which makes sense because look at the thread you're in.
Knucklepux
Member
I'm confident that viewers are going to enjoy it much more in the show honestly. Bella Ramsay is a horrible, fucking horrible Ellie.
Put they're going to water the action down again with tranny Lev, his tranny backstory and then try to pull the Joel and Ellie bonding but with Abby and Lev
semiconscious
Member
actually, this was true of the game version, as well...
viveks86
Member
Criticism that I understand:
- Worse acting. Disagree, but I understand.
- Ellie being "ugly" ruining the show. Disagree, but I understand.
- Cringe moments inconsistent with the current mood. Agree
- Too woke. Agree, but don't care.
- Awful whiplash-inducing pacing. Agree
- So many missed opportunities for memorable moments. Agree
- Too short and rushed, often preventing characters and scenes to breathe. Agree
- Still lacking enough scenes with infected and real violence. Agree
- Structure being incompatible with multi-year wait times. Agree.
But "More morally clear, logical, articulate and reasonable than the game"? "More likeable protagonists than the game"? The hell are these people smoking?
She lets Nora turn even after torturing her (she is probably crawling around the basement forever half paralyzed) and then questions herself, abandons her "uncle" who came to rescue her despite having his own wife and kid back home, she almost drowns in a storm, almost gets hanged to death, ignores these overwhelmingly negative signs and risks drowning again just to end up shooting 2 people she hadn't planned to kill, is almost convinced into performing a C-section on Mel without (probably) even knowing what a C-section is, gives up and has to live with layers of additional trauma. Clarity and logic were left way behind in Jackson. It's as messy and imperfect as the game, just in a different way.
I think some fans of the game get offended when things aren't 1:1 and come up with reasons to explain their displeasure. And that's fine. Good to see people passionate about something. But moral clarity and logic is simply not there in the show, despite the changes. Same with the "clarification" about a potential cure. "They were likely not going to be able to make a cure anyway" was a cop-out reason that easily justifies Joel's action, making it less ambiguous. Removing that consideration actually amplifies the moral ambiguity as it doubles down on the trolley problem.
Is the show the best execution possible? Hell no. The pacing feels amateur at times and the tonal inconsistencies are frustrating, but that tweet is actually a very poorly thought out articulation of the show's problems. It's ok to not like the show, but at least have better reasons if you decide to talk about it. Nothing is buttoned up whatsoever!
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Majima Everywhere System
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I feel bad for Bella Ramsey, but I'm glad Mando is off to new movies. He's too good for this…
Though I think they should have just done a different thing for TV. Everyone would have been happy, Last of Us 2 deniers, normies. Even diehards probably would have perversely enjoyed it.
Though I think they should have just done a different thing for TV. Everyone would have been happy, Last of Us 2 deniers, normies. Even diehards probably would have perversely enjoyed it.
kiphalfton
Member
Further proves she can't carry the show (i.e. she was a shit casting choice).
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
In fairness, Ellie in the game couldn't carry it either if not for the gameplay element of it. Joel was the best thing about the story. Or rather he and Ellie's father daughter dynamic. Learning from one another, growing as people. Remove that and it suffered big time. The source material was the biggest road block for adapting the second game. And unfortunately, they haven't maximized it with odd writing choices. They took a character that isn't nearly as compelling as Joel and made her even worse, so they're starting off trying to dig themselves out of a hole already and just made it deeper.
captainnapalm
Member
I don't know - I don't think most viewers realize that not only is the season 2 cliffhanger not going to be resolved at the start of season 3, but the story is going to flashback and focus on Abby until it catches up again. That's going to be a tough sell. Apparently many people were confused by the ending of S2 flashing back to Seattle day one.
Fake
Member
The Abby casting in the other hand would be a better adult Ellie. They really fucked up that too.
aliadiere25
Member
Some justice in the world.
Super Lemon Drop
Gold Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
"subverted expectations"
Minsc
Gold Member
You say this as anyone who is alive for more than a week in a post-apocalyptic zombie infested world isn't a psycho. How many people has she killed? If not the show, then the game. And yes, dead zombies count as people as far as sanity is concerned. You don't go killing hundreds or thousands of people and not turn crazy.
The Fartist
Gold Member
Yep, aside from episode 2 the whole season was, as the kids say, "mid" at best.
ZehDon
Member
So, about half the people didn't tune in. That tracks, given the reception to the game.
We're also getting global numbers instead of US-only numbers. And if Microsoft has taught me anything, it's that when people start monkeying with the numbers, it's usually because they're not painting the picture you wanted it to.
We're also getting global numbers instead of US-only numbers. And if Microsoft has taught me anything, it's that when people start monkeying with the numbers, it's usually because they're not painting the picture you wanted it to.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Everyone I've talked to IRL has no idea why we are getting a season of Abby. They almost dipped when Joel died but this is probably the tipping point. Like in the games, Druckmann simply outsmarted himself by giving people a story and characters they don't give a shit about.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Just caught up. Man what a fucking embarrassment.
The Fartist
Gold Member
I'm so happy for Asmongold, he's gonna be a great father.Just caught up. Man what a fucking embarrassment.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Imagine being upset by losing 55% viewership on one episode, ask yourself how magical it even is we have a video game to tv show, you can't just expect it to be as perfect as the game.
Ulysses 31
Member
Plague Doctor
Member
What's more surprising is the breaking of the ranks on the Purple place and some people being so bold into saying there never was aneed for TLOU Part 2. And both the tv series and the game isn't good.
Either they have a fakeboy troll issue or... wow, that pendulum is farther along than I thought.
Either they have a fakeboy troll issue or... wow, that pendulum is farther along than I thought.
