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Tom Clancy's The Division |OT 3| Crafted From 150 OT 2s
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mhayze
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Hello all, I finally picked up some steam (no pun intended) on my Division gaming / levelling with the release of the underground DLC. I finally hit gear score 214 and have a couple of 240 gear set items from playing the Underground.
I'm at level 12 or 13 on the underground, and so far that seems like the best way to get stuff, running with a pick up group doing 1 phase hard missions. It still takes a few runs (3+ now) to get to the next level, and I assume that's just a treadmill, i.e. it will take more and more grinding to get the next package.
Is this still my best/only option to gear up? I did try a daily HVT today, but it uses up quite a few intel items and I got a 214 gear set drop (not bad, but it wasn't as good as what I had on). What are my options, particularly for getting better weapons?
I'm at level 12 or 13 on the underground, and so far that seems like the best way to get stuff, running with a pick up group doing 1 phase hard missions. It still takes a few runs (3+ now) to get to the next level, and I assume that's just a treadmill, i.e. it will take more and more grinding to get the next package.
Is this still my best/only option to gear up? I did try a daily HVT today, but it uses up quite a few intel items and I got a 214 gear set drop (not bad, but it wasn't as good as what I had on). What are my options, particularly for getting better weapons?
weekly HVT, incursions, of course the end game, the DZ
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Thank you sir!!! Yea I noticed how different all the guns felt as soon I logged on.
Sounds like good changes overall, it's made the other weapons more viable I guess.
Ive been tactical since my dos was shit in incursion and dmz. I've been trying to bring up my toughness and skills until I can get my dos higher.
Insane Metal
Member
Oh I put 2 tactician for EDR but it's actually Final Measure. Duh. Sorry!
So if your plan is better toughness + skill power, use 2 FM items + 4 TA, it's awesome.
So if your plan is better toughness + skill power, use 2 FM items + 4 TA, it's awesome.
VenomousCoffee
Member
"The required Xbox Live services are not available at this time." Lol.
Now I'm getting a "Something went wrong" message. Game won't even start. Double lol.
Now I'm getting a "Something went wrong" message. Game won't even start. Double lol.
grimlock33
Member
Finally have some free time to hop online... Everything was Delta Error.
Insane Metal
Member
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Just hope they fix Underground loot before the dlc comes to PS4.
MythicReclaimer
Member
My Division experience of late boils down to running Heroic Operations and that alone and have found the loot to be fine. It's obviously more weighted towards BLIND/Firecrest but I've been getting more and more other gear set drops as well. The weapon drops seem fine too as far as variety goes in my experience.
They really haven't changed other game modes that are weighted towards particular gear sets so I'm not sure why you would expect that to change specifically for the Underground.
Insane Metal
Member
Soloing DZ currently = rogue magnet. Don't do it.
I can't help to think that all the really bizarre decisions and fuck ups are intentional to get people to stop playing the game so they don't need to run as many servers for the game since it has no hooks for continued revenue outside the initial purchase and season pass and the terrible outfit packs.
I'm done with this game took all the fun out of it. Especially for players that play solo or randoms via matchmaking.
At this point I'm not going to play when the arbitrary DLC switch gets flipped on PS4 in a few weeks as I tried Underground on PC and found it to be garbage...
Massive is the perfect name for the developers, it describes there scope of incompetence to make changes to a game without sucking fun out of core gameplay.
I'm done with this game took all the fun out of it. Especially for players that play solo or randoms via matchmaking.
At this point I'm not going to play when the arbitrary DLC switch gets flipped on PS4 in a few weeks as I tried Underground on PC and found it to be garbage...
Massive is the perfect name for the developers, it describes there scope of incompetence to make changes to a game without sucking fun out of core gameplay.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
When you thought massive couldn't break dz pvp anymore...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIxfb9JVhs
Because the real loot from UG is the caches and even they are heavily weighted towards 6 items, like the drops in UG - x45, g36, pp19, svd, firecrest and blind. Getting anything else is like winning the lottery.
UG is supposed to be the alternative farm for DZ so it's not supposed to be weighted towards particular sets, massive have already acknowledged this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIxfb9JVhs
Because the real loot from UG is the caches and even they are heavily weighted towards 6 items, like the drops in UG - x45, g36, pp19, svd, firecrest and blind. Getting anything else is like winning the lottery.
UG is supposed to be the alternative farm for DZ so it's not supposed to be weighted towards particular sets, massive have already acknowledged this.
MythicReclaimer
Member
The Rank-up Caches only go to Rank 40, therefore the real loot comes from Boss/Chest drops and Operation completions for the long-term.
At the end of the day the loot allure is what drives theses types of games, if it was easy for everyone to acquire perfect gear and create perfect builds easily I bet it would have a much more negative effect on the game and it's population than anyone believes. Players would lose the desire to keep playing if builds were easily to perfect and PvPvE in the DZ certainly wouldn't be enough to keep players interested.
I've played a ton of the Underground and it's fine regarding loot variety.
got a decent pair of sentry gloves, i can recalibrate it to get around 50 more firearms stat or i could recalibrate it to have smg damage instead of marksman rifle
i'm basically tryna up the dps on my primary, its an smg an mp7, and i don't know which one of these would up it by most, i tried to find how well the mp7 scales with firearms but couldn't find a guide so i'm thinking smg damage on the gloves would probably be the best option because 50 points in my firearms stat doesn't sound like it would do much
any ideas/suggestions?
i'm basically tryna up the dps on my primary, its an smg an mp7, and i don't know which one of these would up it by most, i tried to find how well the mp7 scales with firearms but couldn't find a guide so i'm thinking smg damage on the gloves would probably be the best option because 50 points in my firearms stat doesn't sound like it would do much
any ideas/suggestions?
MythicReclaimer
Member
Any spare gloves you could test (re-roll) it out on? I would imagine +SMG DMG is the better option unless you need +Firearms to unlock a talent. Plus, trying to get that extra 50 Firearms could prove costly in the re-rolling department.
didn't have any spare gloves, decided to go with smg damage, recalibrated a bunch of times and this stupid game wouldn't give it to me. recalibration cost currently at 855958 credits, so it will be a while till i get it
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Weapon damage for sure. Firearms scaling beyond a point is not worth it.
+50 firearms will barely give you a dps boost, but can be useful if you need higher stats to activate talents.
I know, the point is that these packages were supposed to be random but they too are heavily weighed towards 5 or 6 drops. It's bad enough that UG rewards are already heavily weighted but having the packages be the same is a massive oversight.
UG was supposed to be the pve alternative to the DZ, so just like DZ UG should have random loot instead of weighted loot. There is already way too much RNG involved in loot drops even while doing activities that have weighted rewards.
Players will come back if they feel their time and effort are rewarded, and that's just not happening right now.
MythicReclaimer
Member
When the Falcon's Lost update dropped it was heavily weighted towards certain gear sets (the only ones at the time) and still is, when the Clear Sky update hit it was heavily weighted towards certain gear sets (new ones) and still is, and when the Underground/Dragon's Nest update dropped it was heavily weighted towards new gear sets introduced in the DLC/update...see a trend?
The Rank-up caches are not what you will be playing the Operations for but rather the boss/chests drops and completion rewards. I thought the caches were the main reason to play as well early on but it's definitely not. Once I made the switch to Heroic Operations and tasted the 229/268 goodness this became readily apparent.
All in all, at least they have brought the old gear sets forward instead of leaving them behind stat wise and made them acquirable in some fashion.
Is the loot system perfect? Absolutely not as I, like you, would like to see it more balanced but according to their trends the Underground falls right in line.
That said, as much as the BLIND/Firecrest and new weapons drop from Rank-up caches I have had no problem acquiring all weapon types and HE/new & old gear sets through boss/chests drops and Operation completion rewards since the DLC dropped by, well, playing the game.
Audioboxer
Member
That moment when the noob (me ) has to save the team of GAFers from a wipe
Also said GAFers taught me being a rogue in the DZ can actually be fun. I feel filthy.
) has to save the team of GAFers from a wipe
Also said GAFers taught me being a rogue in the DZ can actually be fun. I feel filthy.
carterd1981
Member
I would expect Dragon's Nest (the running theme is incursions having weighted gear) to have the weighted gear drops. I don't think Underground should be weighted like that. Yes I have gotten other gear in Underground, but only after about 50 blind/firecrest drops. The Underground would be so much more fun if it was truly truly randomized. Makes no sense the repeated goofs they are making.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
They want to force people into the DZ. That is it. They are aware of all the reasons why people don't want to go there, but they won't give up the plan of forcing everyone there in it's current state.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Playing on my alt, leveling it up is such a chore but I went into the DZ and boy oh boy, the lower dark zone (i'm lvl 24 on my alt) is just as great as the beta days.
Spent 3 hours just running around going rogue and killing rogues with random players. Best fun I've had since launch days....maybe I'll just keep my alt at this level and play DZ with it.
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Spent 3 hours just running around going rogue and killing rogues with random players. Best fun I've had since launch days....maybe I'll just keep my alt at this level and play DZ with it.
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Insane Metal
Member
I'm losing interest in the game... my stats suck and I can't get them any better...
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I find that the only way to get them better if you don't have a crew to play with is to matchmake on Underground. Though people have started kicking others based off GS now. Which platform are you on? I can try to help you out, even though I am not exactly uber geared myself.
Insane Metal
Member
PS4 :|
I can't even get to 200K DPS. And no matter how much Toughness I get (with 75% mitigation) I still get wrecked by even level 34s. Level 35 mobs are basically insta-kill for me. With around 420k toughness.
Massive sucked the fun from the game with this last update.
play time went from coming home from work every day (7ish) and playing till around 12am-2am, to zero play time! will wait and see if they do anything about the mobs (especially the veterans) hitting hard as fuck.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Omg.... DN Heroic with a couple of us using Deadeye glitch just farming The Collective. This must be what Bullet King felt like, only better loot.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Make an alt, have a friend power level you to lvl 22-24 and then go into the lower DZ.
It's a new game I tell you. So much fun.
End-game/meta is in a really bad position right now. Best to take a break till UG comes out on PS4.
Wolfe
Member
Makes me think of lvl 21 twinks in WoW, sometimes games gets a bit too big for themselves (or at least it can feel that way at times for some) and it can be a lot of fun to artificially simplify things, such as playing an underleveled character for a while.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
State of the Game 21/07:
PVP damage buff is being seen as a 'net positive'.
NPC scaling is under review, requires a different solution.
Blue DT dropping from DT crates fixed in 201 and 231 DZ.
Alpha Bridge gloves should be fixed, any money spent on recalibrating before today will be returned to the players.
Fixed some side missions teleporting issue.
Happy with current state of shotguns (player, not npc).
Seeing a lot more different types of weapons being used since the balancing.
Deadeye fix - coming tomorrow(99%), not in today's maintenance.
Headshot damage cap introduced (1000%) - to prevent future stacking exploits.
No ETA on Blind rifle.
PS4 Underground dlc set for 2nd August, no delays expected.
Healing lag not an easy fix, no ETA on it.
No confirmation about 229 Blueprints, so far they don't exist.
No SoTG for next 3 weeks.
Loot improvements in the works for HVT's and UG.
PVP damage buff is being seen as a 'net positive'.
NPC scaling is under review, requires a different solution.
Blue DT dropping from DT crates fixed in 201 and 231 DZ.
Alpha Bridge gloves should be fixed, any money spent on recalibrating before today will be returned to the players.
Fixed some side missions teleporting issue.
Happy with current state of shotguns (player, not npc).
Seeing a lot more different types of weapons being used since the balancing.
Deadeye fix - coming tomorrow(99%), not in today's maintenance.
Headshot damage cap introduced (1000%) - to prevent future stacking exploits.
No ETA on Blind rifle.
PS4 Underground dlc set for 2nd August, no delays expected.
Healing lag not an easy fix, no ETA on it.
No confirmation about 229 Blueprints, so far they don't exist.
No SoTG for next 3 weeks.
Loot improvements in the works for HVT's and UG.
EL CUCO
Member
Good SOTG today. Pretty much touched on all of the known issues.
They also mentioned farming the 4 pony men in Dragons Nest is ok and not considered cheese or an exploit.
With the next 3 weeks off, I'm guessing Survival is targeted for the last week of August PC/X1, end of September PS4.
They also mentioned farming the 4 pony men in Dragons Nest is ok and not considered cheese or an exploit.
With the next 3 weeks off, I'm guessing Survival is targeted for the last week of August PC/X1, end of September PS4.
Audioboxer
Member
Hey bros I heard you like Lonestar?
Dave1988
Member
Love it. Simply can't get enough of it. You got some?
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Running 5-sentry on my alt, Custom M870 shotgun with brutal, responsive and destructive
Per bullet damage is 101k.
ONE HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND!
SASG on secondary. Responsive, Accurate and Brutal.
Everything melts.
Feeling like the NPC shotgunners, one shotting everything
Per bullet damage is 101k.
ONE HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND!
SASG on secondary. Responsive, Accurate and Brutal.
Everything melts.
Feeling like the NPC shotgunners, one shotting everything
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Is AlphaBride rare or something? I have been stuck on 3 pieces forever
Insane Metal
Member
Running 5-sentry on my alt, Custom M870 shotgun with brutal, responsive and destructive
Per bullet damage is 101k.
ONE HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND!
SASG on secondary. Responsive, Accurate and Brutal.
Everything melts.
Feeling like the NPC shotgunners, one shotting everything
Uh, I got a M870 with 106k with Brutal, Destructive and Deadly... and it still feels weak.
Audioboxer
Member
Meet me out back.
Yeah my M870 is 106k and feels a bit meh. Switched back to my SASG at 58k and it feels more powerful with a bigger clip.
EL CUCO
Member
Ran into a couple plebs going Rogue then glitching into a wall on the first floor of the DZ06 extraction.
They'd come out and try to pop us with a sticky bomb, run back in for the cool down, then try again. Too bad they were met with a shock turret and a pair of sentry shotguns when they came out.
They'd come out and try to pop us with a sticky bomb, run back in for the cool down, then try again. Too bad they were met with a shock turret and a pair of sentry shotguns when they came out.
Audioboxer
Member
The elevator trick us GAFers faced from rogues the other day was a pain in the ass.
Not so much a trick I guess rather than just hiding in an extraction zone elevator shaft you can't aim up from ground level.
If you have the DLC you cannfarm the first part of dragons nest for it.Is AlphaBride rare or something? I have been stuck on 3 pieces forever