keltickennedy
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Even if they don't have any loot on them?
Some people just wanna watch the would burn.
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Even if they don't have any loot on them?
Some people just wanna watch the would burn.
Yes you can enter the DZ at any level. Before you hit lvl 30 then there are lvl brackets.
Audioboxer
Member
I'd welcome more solo rogues. Right now it tends to be gank parties of 4 going after solo players.
Dude, I don't even pick their loot up, haha. I guess I would if it was a yellow. Otherwise, I just keep on trucking.
There is a difference between different loadouts that focus on different styles and different loadouts that have plain better gear.
You can't move gear to your inventory inside the DZ, right?
Then they win? I don't see the issue.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The problem with the rogue stuff is that I just want to farm levels because you're not allowed to reach level 31 without the DZ06 BPs. If they rotated out the BPs or just had a high level PvE area that sold BPs (make all the enemies level 34 or whatever), then at least there's an alternative for people who want to gear up properly but don't really care about the rogue aspect.
(I'd honestly rather just have real PvP at this point, but I don't even know if they are interested in that)
(I'd honestly rather just have real PvP at this point, but I don't even know if they are interested in that)
wesleyshark
Banned
I don't even touch their dropped items. I'll run over their corpse for dark zone keys but unless they drop a gold I don't care what's in their bag.
Relax friends, no need to have your jimmies rustled, deflecting won't work either : ]
keltickennedy
Member
wesleyshark
Banned
I wouldn't even play real pvp. What the dark zone is... That's what draws me in. The option to play it straight or to unleash hell. So much fun.
Let's team up and kill everyone.
I find going rogue an interesting twist to the PvP game. I prefer just playing the game for better loot. It can be challenging enough to get the loot in the first place and then to have it lost because someone felt like shooting you can be infuriating. It would be nice to have rogue free zones where your group and others collectively take down higher level enemies .. for better loot. It would be great to have dedicated PvP .. group and death matches.
Jest Chillin
Member
Not really, no. Item Level doesn't really mean shit as far as I can tell. There's plenty of ilevel 31 that isn't as good as ilevel 30 and you can literally gear up in full ilevel 30 through Challenge and with the buff to HE drops in general, you'll have HE guns as well.
So if ilevel doesn't actually give a statistical advantage then this "better gear" really is no different than coordinating gear to support a specific build or playstyle.
Not talking about gear you want to extract. I could be 200k DPS, 65k Health, 20k Skill Power... and just put on a lower Purple/Blue gear mix... walk into the DZ then put my HE stuff back on. Unless the game actively scans the players for their gear setup at all times, that will 100% happen and it'll be even worse for new players because the guys who love to gank easy targets will be able to seek them out reliably.
The issue is the same one currently. You don't know what your opponents actually have. You don't know if they're fully decked out in HE's and min-maxed to an extreme... or if they're wearing purples but have stacked their gear into glass cannon and are using Suvival Link, Calling Targets, and focus firing you to oblivion. Just because you're getting rocked doesn't mean that you're actually outgeared. A good deal of the time, you're just being outplayed.
wesleyshark
Banned
The game has this. It's the regular game world lol
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Help GAF.
I have hit a wall.
Level 30 in game, level 28 DZ. I can NOT get past the 120k DPS 60k health range. I am not getting drops from the dailies/challenges that significantly up my damage. I do not have any blueprints in the vendor to buy that will let me craft weapon buffs.
Versus some of the guys I play with are taking down level 32 guys in seconds.
I have a Caduces, a Liberator, and a HE SOCOM sniper rifle that gets 80k (
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What do I need to do here?
Should I be farming the DZ and trying to stay in the higher DZ ranks exclusively? I know I need to hit level 50 asap, but real life only gives me an hour, at best, to play right now.
I have hit a wall.
Level 30 in game, level 28 DZ. I can NOT get past the 120k DPS 60k health range. I am not getting drops from the dailies/challenges that significantly up my damage. I do not have any blueprints in the vendor to buy that will let me craft weapon buffs.
Versus some of the guys I play with are taking down level 32 guys in seconds.
I have a Caduces, a Liberator, and a HE SOCOM sniper rifle that gets 80k (
).What do I need to do here?
Should I be farming the DZ and trying to stay in the higher DZ ranks exclusively? I know I need to hit level 50 asap, but real life only gives me an hour, at best, to play right now.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I mean, that's fair, and honestly I'm glad you don't lose that much XP anymore so if you're a victim of a rogue it's not that bad.
But I'm only in the DZ because you're forced to go there for the end game. I feel like this is exactly what ruined Destiny for me though. Bungie spent all their resources making Iron Banner this end game thing and if all you want to do is chill with your friends and shoot shit in the face, you're told to go play something else. Massive promised that PvE would have equally good drops/gear compared to the Dark Zone and that just ended up being a complete lie.
MegamanXZero
Member
What kind of average DPS and Health are you supposed to have to participate in a doable CM run ?
wesleyshark
Banned
Doesn't the CMs give you equally good gear as DZ?
Yes I know. Maybe it's just my experience .. but the loot isn't that great. Then again .. I just started doing daily missions. I want to battle 30+ level enemies in the regular map.
wesleyshark
Banned
They can yes but you can get quality gear at a far faster and more consistent pace in the dz.
The challenge modes are what you're wanting. They are level 32 elite enemies for the whole mission. Places like the Russian consulate and the power plant are very, very challenging.
crashnburn
Member
Think this got lost in the arguments last page, hoping someone can chime in:
So before the Special Weapons vendor reset tomorrow, anything I should make sure I have (I have about 300 PC in the bank)?
I have already purchased blueprints for the HE firearms mod, HE extended mag, and some misc. armor blueprints (mask, knee pads, backpack). Didn't get the vector cause happy with my Cad and purple M1A combo.
So before the Special Weapons vendor reset tomorrow, anything I should make sure I have (I have about 300 PC in the bank)?
I have already purchased blueprints for the HE firearms mod, HE extended mag, and some misc. armor blueprints (mask, knee pads, backpack). Didn't get the vector cause happy with my Cad and purple M1A combo.
You wanna play with me? Show me the way.
wesleyshark
Banned
When I see the rogue icon flash on the mini map, I have to go try to kill them, but it's out of respect, not anger.
Like those manhunt people we mowed down yesterday when they accidentally ran into a dead end alley haha.
Pretty much. It's the thrill of the hunt.
The DZ farm is more about getting packs of purples and extracting them over and over. Then using those for crafting materials to make HE gear.
Jest Chillin
Member
Stuff that you craft from the Base of Operations HE vendor can be crafted at item level 31. Really though, you shouldn't put ilevel 31 stuff on a pedastal. A lot of it really isn't that good or is aimed at very niche playstyles.
Well.. Destiny has Raids for PvE stuff.. and The Division has Challenge Modes. CM's are even farmable and give a guaranteed HE item in each run. You absoultely do not need to do DZ to get HE gear. The only bar is, I believe, Gold Quality Division Tech. But to get that reliably you'd be in DZ05 or DZ06 mostly and there is rarely any actual ganking up there because the mobs are not neglible at all. They're strong, aggressive and in huge numbers.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Keep in mind that the DPS numbers are really pointess. Like you can stack accuracy on a gun and increase the DPS by tens of thousands, but it doesn't really mean anything if you just aim and don't hold down the trigger.Help GAF.
I have hit a wall.
Level 30 in game, level 28 DZ. I can NOT get past the 120k DPS 60k health range. I am not getting drops from the dailies/challenges that significantly up my damage. I do not have any blueprints in the vendor to buy that will let me craft weapon buffs.
Versus some of the guys I play with are taking down level 32 guys in seconds.
I have a Caduces, a Liberator, and a HE SOCOM sniper rifle that gets 80k (
What do I need to do here?
Should I be farming the DZ and trying to stay in the higher DZ ranks exclusively? I know I need to hit level 50 asap, but real life only gives me an hour, at best, to play right now.
Like if you are using a Caduceus, then you should be building toward skills because the whole point of the gun is that it lets you use your skills more often.
The end game is to get level 31 BPs and then try to get perfect rolls on them (at least until Incursions come and drop set items). Since the BoO guy only sells half the armor pieces, you have to get to the DZ06 guy to buy the rest. You also need to farm gold division tech to craft the pieces, with no way to make them, so you are really forced to be in the DZ whether you want to or not.
(Also the CM rewards are only level 30, which is fine, but at some point you'll be drowning in subpar high end gear in the same way that BK made purple gear irrelevant)
Please say you're on Xbox.
Haha that's too bad, I'm PS4. We will have to cause mayhem in our own respective worlds.
Jest Chillin
Member
Faster? Depends on the DZ as a lot of people farm the same routes which results in slowing down the rate at which you're killing named mobs (which are the only ones that award PC)... so that's not consistent at all really.
A group of four went rogue on my group of three while waiting for a chopper. I guess they didn't know what they were in for. I popped my s-link and we all used incendiary ammo. Melted the four of 'em. So exhilarating!
I feel like people forget to use their sigs in battle quite often.
I feel like people forget to use their sigs in battle quite often.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The BoO guy doesn't even sell a chest BP though. So either you grind CM until you get a perfect one to drop or you get to DZ rank 50 and roll the one he sells there...
Yeah, I've been running a DZ06 loop the last few days and the rogues have not appeared as much there as they do back in the lower areas.
But I've run Lexington maybe two dozen times... so the only way to improve further really is to get level 31 gear. Or just not play the game until the Incursion drops, I guess.
This and consumables as well. Incendiary and explosive rounds can easily melt people.
I wish they made it more obvious where the rogue was. When I open my map, sometimes it's hard to see the little red skull, especially with my character model always getting in the way.
wesleyshark
Banned
Challenge modes give you a guranteed HE drop every time, plus the chance at more from named bosses within each mission.
The vendor upstairs in the BoO sells blueprints that you can craft into level 31 gear, which are just as good if not sometimes better than the level 31 gear you can get from the dz.
The difference is that endgame gear from the regular world is behind finishing challenge modes and having enough phoenix credits. Endgame gear from the dz is behind luck of the rng from bosses and hittng rank 50.
Alright cool. Guess i should start CMs soon. If only I can find a group when I'm on.
No way. Neutrals already get a free wall hack and a mini-map icon to show where the rogue is. They have enough, or sometimes too much, as it stands.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Collateral22
Member
What's my best bet at HE gear? Farm bosses in DZ or Dailies on hard? Don't think I have the gear for Challenge mode yet.
wesleyshark
Banned
I'm with grandad on this one. It's already skewed to the non-rogue's favor in being able to locate rogue players.
I think they stealth changed it in the patch because before the patch you had to zoom in a bit to even see the flashing skulls. Now you can be at the default zoom and they show up. Or maybe mine was bugged before. But it definitely changed for me.
I'm not talking about item level.
Me neither. You still need to have those in your inventory if you want to equip them inside the DZ. Have gear in your inventory that can add up to those stats? Get matched up with players with similar gear, and not with players that don't come close to those stats.
So you're saying there's no difference between one player killing another player because he has twice the stats and one player killing another player with the same stats, because he knows what he's doing?
I think there's a huge difference. In one case, both players have the same chance of killing eachother and in the other they have not.
+kill xp works in the dark zone
optimus8936
Banned
Do both dailies as they give you Phoenix credits and you can farm the general assembly mission since their are 3 named enemies in it (aka 3 chances at HE, you also want to do it in hard). Just get a lot of Phoenix credits so you can buy a HE blueprint.
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