Chance Hale
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Just realized the Frankly line is a pun.
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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hey, pizzaman is a great writer, you can tell from that. he knows a lot of words and randomly throws them in dialogues to make the characters look smarter and knowledgeable like a nobel prize winner.
it's not unrealistic at all, nope.
My guess is that the user was responding to the idea that Frank is putting on airs with his vocabulary.
pseudo intellectuals douche bags, I know a football coach that talks like that is puzzeling trying to understand him
People on neogaf.
The Driver
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For the most part I agree with the dialogue complaints. Tbh though I actually kind of like how ridiculously overblown it is. The fact that I was an English major in college and I still have to watch this show with subtitles and occasionally google define something is kind of fun and silly to me because NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT IN REAL LIFE.
I don't think it's really that different from season 1 when it comes to dialogue though. Like it's been said multiple times, not having a Marty character is a huge problem when you have multiple Rust-lites. Kitsch is the only one who seems to not use "10 dollar words", but the dude has no sense of humor here and is always down soooooo.
I don't think it's really that different from season 1 when it comes to dialogue though. Like it's been said multiple times, not having a Marty character is a huge problem when you have multiple Rust-lites. Kitsch is the only one who seems to not use "10 dollar words", but the dude has no sense of humor here and is always down soooooo.
See, the thing about Rust is that we saw some of the texts he reads and how he lives. The only form of entertainment Rust had were those books. Remember how empty his apartment was aside from that picture of Jesus?
Seeing that gave enough context to assume Rust wasn't your average Joe and probably off his rocker given the stuff he talks about casually. We don't see anything off-beat about Frank aside from being in a mob.
A lot of Rust dialogue went right over my head in the first season but I kinda got the gist from Woody playing off him. Should have subtitled that like I've done this season.
This season isn't great but I can watch it and be interested in what comes next which could be anything or or least wtf was that silly but worth a go.
The last episode, those parties, really sad to think they are probably quite common. Really dodgy underworld.
This season isn't great but I can watch it and be interested in what comes next which could be anything or or least wtf was that silly but worth a go.
The last episode, those parties, really sad to think they are probably quite common. Really dodgy underworld.
Ape Gone Insane
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Yeah but people would stare at him like what the fuck are you mumbling about, Rust?
In this season, it's all taken at face value and comes across as incredibly forced.
That's because no one is questioning all of the philosophical, rhetorical, semantic, and verbal gymnastics every character keeps pulling out of his or her ass-mouth.
Future PhaZe
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Yeah, that True Detective scene is way better than the True Defective one.
But another point I haven't seen people bring up is that Rust's dialogue made sense relative to his characterization. He was established as an intensive, obsessive, well-read detective. He had a dark past that wasn't used as some excuse for his current behavior. Rust was always Rust, but the tragedies amplified that.
In True Defective, we're given broad and generic characterizations about inorganic characters who have broad and generic backstories. The backstories have been used as go-to excuses for their immediate behavior. That could have worked had we had any indication of what these people were like before these tragedies or, at the least, before the show. Instead, everyone's just a brooding sad sack in competition with one another to see who can do his or her best Christian Bale-as-Batman impersonation.
But another point I haven't seen people bring up is that Rust's dialogue made sense relative to his characterization. He was established as an intensive, obsessive, well-read detective. He had a dark past that wasn't used as some excuse for his current behavior. Rust was always Rust, but the tragedies amplified that.
In True Defective, we're given broad and generic characterizations about inorganic characters who have broad and generic backstories. The backstories have been used as go-to excuses for their immediate behavior. That could have worked had we had any indication of what these people were like before these tragedies or, at the least, before the show. Instead, everyone's just a brooding sad sack in competition with one another to see who can do his or her best Christian Bale-as-Batman impersonation.
Anton Sugar
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Yup. Marty is the audience window into our initial viewpoint of Rust and we're rolling our eyes with him. As the season progresses, however, Marty lets some of that pessimism seep into his own worldview and so do we (which is part of S1's brilliance, IMO). We also learn more about Rust--that he has drug-induced hallucinations, he's an alcoholic, he has insomnia, etc.
Lines like "I don't sleep, I dream" work in S1 because of all of this; we'd probably laugh at them in S2, because they're unearned or just don't fit the world/character that's been built.
Freewheelin'
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"Never do anything out of hunger. Even eating."
WTF :lol
what does this even mean
WTF :lol
what does this even mean
Only eat when you're full and don't need to eat.
If you eat when you're hungry, you'll overeat, and you'll seem weak.
No, but seriously, in context, it's metaphorical. I don't think he meant "eat" in the literal sense of ingesting food. I think he meant "eat" in a more broadly generic sense of "consuming" or going after something or trying to get something you want. If you do that when you're your "hungry," i.e., at your most vulnerable, you will do it desperately and seem weak.
That's what I got out of it. Still, it's a bullshit line. Nic Pizzolatto is a hack.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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How can we forget "half great white, half anaconda"?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I actually like this season of True Detective, but it's mostly down to the... Interesting performances. Writing has its issues.
dead souls
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The problem is that Pizzolatto went full Milch, and you never go full Milch unless you're actually David Milch.
Plus you don't hire a boy (Vince Vaughn) to do a man's (Ian McShane) job.
Plus you don't hire a boy (Vince Vaughn) to do a man's (Ian McShane) job.
McShane knew how to deliver ridiculous lines. The "It's like blue balls, in the heart" should have been a playful line, like someone couldn't think of something good to say, and just said the stupidest thing that came to mind, but Vaughn played it completely straight.
Not only do we have Marty to react and call Rust out on how batshit he is, but we even have Rust acknowledge his abnormality himself in this very first scene;
M: "Listen when you're at my house, I want you to chill the fuck out. Don't even mention any of that bullshit you just said to me."
R: "Of course not Marty, I'm not some kind of maniac, alright. For fuck sake.
I also think Rust's spouts of ideology are written much better in general. The big exception was "I don't sleep, I just dream", which if you re-watch that scene it's supposed to be entirely comedic thanks to Marty's reaction, and yet lines like that are tossed out every episode and played straight in this season.
And I actually totally forgot Pizzolatto could write funny scenes until I re-watched this clip.
Net_Wrecker
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McShane would've nailed the blue balls line on Deadwood, and his lackeys would've looked at him confused, and it would've been amazing.
Here, Colin Farrell just takes it all in depressing stride because pain is inexhaustible and only people get exhausted or something I DON'T KNOW
Did y'all see that moon though? It made me apoplectic, brehs. Apoplectic as hell.
Okay.
He looks more threatening than Vince Vaugn.
There's so many great lines there, everything Rust says there is quotable.
It's so sad how far Pizzaman has fallen.
This is my all time favorite Rust line.
This part of the above monologue is also one of his best lines.
Then you get shit like blue balls of the heart now.
CassidyIzABeast
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Did Quentin Miller ghostwrite season 1?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I don't understand why Pizzaman didn't simplify the dialogue. The dialogue in S1 was very naturalistic.
It's very stagey and speechy in S2.
And the fact that they have utterly just wasted Birdman.
It's very stagey and speechy in S2.
And the fact that they have utterly just wasted Birdman.
I'm feeling a little apoplectic myself.
Admiral Woofington
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he looks like Netflix's Kingpin when he was a kid.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Easily the worst line in the season. Nobody talks like that, and then to have someone else respond to it...it just felt awkward. A burnt out Cali police officer and a gangster are not going to talk like that.
Rust spoke like a philosophy major, but everyone else was "normal." So it was entertaining to watch his character bounce off other people. When everyone in the show speaks like they swallowed a thesaurus, it become tiring.
I'm less negative on this season than most. But the most frustrating thing is when it tries to hit those high notes of dialogue like Season 1 and just fails terribly.
The Horror the horror
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Guys,
I don't know wtf is happening on the show. Is there a recap I can read somewhere?
I don't know wtf is happening on the show. Is there a recap I can read somewhere?
Admiral Woofington
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Previously on True Detective
Vince Vaughn continues to whisper
Colin Farrell continues to alcohol
Grinchy
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The city manager was killed by a guy in a bird mask. The killer has other masks as well.
Then there's the other 99% of the show that's just filling time.
Lol thought I was the only one.
Lol.
Has anyone read Pizzolatto novel, Galveston? Personally, I really dug it. I wasn't expecting this season to be as good as the first but not this either. What makes it worse is his plagiarizing and still failing. It's not that the subject matter isn't interesting to me either. I think he needs to focus on fewer characters. Season 2 is spread too thin.
This. Rust's use of big words was an integral part of who he is. I think that the way he speaks is totally in line with the back story he has.
Not the case in season 2. Seems awfully random at times.
And that's just the dialogue. Each of the leads has almost zero character development outside of what we learned in the first 1-2 episodes.
Pizzaman is a monster and he needs to be stopped.
Helps that Pizzaman plagiarized the entirety of Rust's dialog for that scene:
http://lovecraftzine.com/2014/08/04...tective-plagiarize-thomas-ligotti-and-others/
That doesn't seem like plagiarism to me. Not like I'm an expert on the subject or anything but it seems more like he's been influenced by Ligotti and isn't plagiarizing him.
Everyone does this. Pretty much any creative idea you have will be a combination of other people's creative works you've seen over the course of your life.
Anton Sugar
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Some of it is so close that you can tell entire ideas were lifted from Ligotti.
I'm all for inspiration, and I don't know that a case could be made that he actually (by definition) plagiarized him...but if you read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race", you will find entire paragraphs that "inspired" Rust's monologues. Even before all the "he plagiarized Ligotti" accusations came out, I was taking screenshots of the page and sending them to my friends/fam with the message "THIS IS RUST".
Having said that, the dialogue, overall, was of a much better quality than S2. S2 feels like Pizza ran sentences through some kind of thesaurus machine and then never read them back to himself.
blainethemono
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if you read this
in McShane's Swearengen voice, it's almost not that bad
also, today i learned that David Milch called Pizzolatto "one of the best writers I've encountered"
Ninja Scooter
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McShane is awesome but I think he's too old to play the role of a mid tier street thug trying to make moves up the social ladder.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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They could have cut the dialogue in half, with awkward pauses in the remaining half, and then cast Ryan Gosling.
MidnightCowboy
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It's not a bad line. Maybe bad delivery, and might be served better by taking out the fuckin', but it's not bad. Of all the lines that get flack, I don't understand this one. It's inoffensive.
Between that, and this famous scene, I was cracking up. Their odd-couple dynamic was genuinely funny. There's no humor this season.
That being said, this last ep was clearly the best. There was some more interesting and exciting stuff going on with the Mexican gangs and the orgy party. It actually felt as if the characters were out of their element and possibly in peril. Surprising because the ep began with that clunky breakfast under-the-table gun stand-off that was the very antithesis of tension.