FreshCakes
Banned
Thought this episode was slightly better than 2nd episode. No random long highway shots, and about time things got moving.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
- Thread starter Cornballer
- Start date
Intheflorsh
Banned
FreshCakes
Banned
They're cool to look at, but why have highway shots if there no scenes of anyone on the goddamn highway?I liked those highway shots.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
So far this season is stuck in that awful place of just being okay.
Doctor West
Member
There is some absolutely terrible dialoge this season. I'm struggling to get through this.
apocalidiot
Banned
That shit was kind of lame. Does Vince Vaugn get to tell those gangsters what to do because he can fight better than everyone else? The guy running away in the mask? The hilarious fat guy taking a picture of the PCH bike cop after he punched his buddy? Just casually walking around on a film set? Wtf?? Half this episode seemed like shitty lazy writing. I know that makes me sound like a douchebag but I dunno... the weird moment where the PCH bike cop made eye contact with Vince Vaughn for 10 whole seconds felt pretty out of place. Or I guess in place given how goofy some of the other moments were
Good scenes: Colin Farrell. When he called the bud grass. And just every other time he was on screen.
Good scenes: Colin Farrell. When he called the bud grass. And just every other time he was on screen.
Velcro Fly
Member
it's decent but i don't think anything was ever going to be as good as season 1.
vince vaughn is terrible. so much of the subplots feel tacked on and just unimportant.
it's like that 7/10 sequel to that groundbreaking movie/game/TV show that we seem to get. it's just too hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice
i do love rachel mcdams character though
vince vaughn is terrible. so much of the subplots feel tacked on and just unimportant.
it's like that 7/10 sequel to that groundbreaking movie/game/TV show that we seem to get. it's just too hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice
i do love rachel mcdams character though
Angelus Errare
Banned
They need to do something with Rachel's hair. I get it's suppose to look like that, but fuck it just looks so tacky. Her hair is clearly done by a professional then they just run their hands through it real quick and call it a day.
It bothers me so much. Just fucking comb it.
It bothers me so much. Just fucking comb it.
I totally get the lukewarm reviews, since critics were sent these first 3 episodes. Episodes 1 and 3 were way too unfocused and scattershot. On first viewing I can't even tell who the dead guy is, except some goon under Vince Vaughn's umbrella. And Vaughn is definitely the weak link so far, not convincing at all.
Byakuya769
Member
Video game caliber dialogue, characters and acting.
I'm not sure I'll finish this series.
.. The mayor's son was GTA character.
I'm not sure I'll finish this series.
.. The mayor's son was GTA character.
Net_Wrecker
Member
This episode would've put me to sleep if I was any more tired tbh. Some of the dialogue was just yikes, and nothing was happening visually. Felt like The Killing minus the rainy atmosphere and Holder dropping goofy lines every 5 minutes......so basically minus any redeeming factors of The Killing.
I like the Farrell/McAdams pairing, but they aren't being given much to work with here.
EDIT: And Vince Vaughn's been throwing up nothing but airballs. I was willing to give him a chance, but if that was him tapping into "the guy he used to be"......nah, it's not working. Tim Riggins is falling flat too.
I like the Farrell/McAdams pairing, but they aren't being given much to work with here.
EDIT: And Vince Vaughn's been throwing up nothing but airballs. I was willing to give him a chance, but if that was him tapping into "the guy he used to be"......nah, it's not working. Tim Riggins is falling flat too.
apocalidiot
Banned
That homeless commune shit was weird as hell. This episode was too goofy
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I so wanted Colin's character to take an exit.
I wanted them to all take an exit. There's not one interesting person so far.
I so wanted Colin's character to take an exit.
I wanted them to all take an exit. There's not one interesting person so far.
I thought the dead guy looked like one of the GTAV characters.
dead souls
Member
Every fucking episode gets worse than the last one.
It looks pedestrian, the acting is nearly universally shit, it's boring as hell, and every other line is a clunker that would be among the worst of any other show I watch. I didn't even really like season one that much, but holy shit it's Shakespeare compared to this mess.
I'm apoplectic.
It looks pedestrian, the acting is nearly universally shit, it's boring as hell, and every other line is a clunker that would be among the worst of any other show I watch. I didn't even really like season one that much, but holy shit it's Shakespeare compared to this mess.
I'm apoplectic.
John Rabbit
Banned
i'm seemingly enjoying this season more than most people, but after this episode it really feels like the whole "yo dudes this takes place in Cali-fucking-fornia" motif was written by someone who's never actually been to California. there's just something that rings hollow about it. every other shot looks like its trying to replicate something from a David Lynch or Michael Mann film and coming up completely short.
the scene with the woman (seriously who are even half of these characters) telling Bezzerides to essentially seduce Velcoro was so bad. also boo to the self-hating gay trope.
the scene with the woman (seriously who are even half of these characters) telling Bezzerides to essentially seduce Velcoro was so bad. also boo to the self-hating gay trope.
-redacted-
Neo Member
Do we know why Woodrugh and Ani went to the Mayor's house? I think I may have missed something
plasmawave
Banned
The problem I'm having is none of the characters except for Colin are interesting.
That lady cop and the biker dude are so bland and boring. They pretty much have the same personality.
That lady cop and the biker dude are so bland and boring. They pretty much have the same personality.
twentytwo22
Member
A large number of calls had been placed from that second house Colin Farrell found to the Mayor's house.
And I liked tonight's episode well enough. I can understand that some of the dialogue is poorly written and Vince Vaughn isn't doing this show any favors, but McAdams and Farrell are killing it.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
The telegraphing of Kitsch's character being gay is getting ridiculous. This is 3 episodes in a row where everything his character does only serves the purpose to remind the audience that he's having a internal battle with coming to terms with his sexuality. Hopefully they do something else with his character that's not just scene after scene of "you know he's gay right?"
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
This Fukanaga bit was so odd but not as bad as I was expecting
-redacted-
Neo Member
Thank you, much appreciated!
Langdon Alger
Banned
Mind blown. I didn't realize the motorcycle cop was Riggins until I read this. He looks totally different.
The weird thing is that it's almost LA-themed, yet these places are all on the outskirts. Very strange.
OdysseusVA
Banned
I'm now watching for the laughs
Robot Pants
Member
What kind of way is that to greet the world.
Jeeeessuuuuus Christ.
Jeeeessuuuuus Christ.
John Rabbit
Banned
almost like the entire premise of Vinci (based on real-life Vernon, CA) has been completely mishandled and is ultimately kind of pointless if all you really wanted was to set your show in Southern California. they might as well have just set the damn show in Los Angeles.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I mean why even use a fictitious city at all, I don't see the point.
dead souls
Member
I don't see how anyone could enjoy it otherwise. It's ridiculous. Just bad line after bad line after bad line.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Really? He looks the exact same to me except with shorter hair.
I thought it was good. Best 'shot' episode IMO.
The scene with Vince and the Russian was great. Loved the blocking.
Liked Vince fighting but it lacked any ferocity, it was like a fight from a Marvel film where it's more cutesy than brutal. The ending was nice, getting rid of those teeth, but the pliers seemed unnecessary when a more brutal fight might have had him smash them out with his fists.
I was expecting VV to go home and bang his girlfriend after gaining his virility back.
I definitely don't hate VV like everyone else, but CF is leading the pack.
I'm still enjoying it even though there has been no real narrative push yet.
EDIT:
VV's main henchman is probably the worst actor I've ever seen. Even his face is a bad actor...he just looks stupid.
The scene with Vince and the Russian was great. Loved the blocking.
Liked Vince fighting but it lacked any ferocity, it was like a fight from a Marvel film where it's more cutesy than brutal. The ending was nice, getting rid of those teeth, but the pliers seemed unnecessary when a more brutal fight might have had him smash them out with his fists.
I was expecting VV to go home and bang his girlfriend after gaining his virility back.
I definitely don't hate VV like everyone else, but CF is leading the pack.
I'm still enjoying it even though there has been no real narrative push yet.
EDIT:
VV's main henchman is probably the worst actor I've ever seen. Even his face is a bad actor...he just looks stupid.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Not bad. I completely get everyone's complaints, but I'm still really enjoying the show.
- Vince Vaughn. I like him here! The fight scene could have used more oomph, yeah, but I liked how it ended. "Is that any way to greet the world?". Plus, if my wife was sitting at the end like that waiting for me, I would not just sullenly walk off to my room.
- Stan! Honestly, I thought Stan was one of Frank's goons at first.
- You could feel the change of director here. Really wish Lin stuck around for the whole season.
- I think everyone pretty much called Brokeback Afghanistan over there. I actually think any amusing side plotline would be Woody teamed up with the male hooker who awakens within him, himself.
- The Mayor of Vinci continues to crack me up. Also, his fucked up family, looooool. His son, what a ridiculous person. His absurdly hot Russian mail order wife. Dude's like the real life Mayor Quimby!
- Okay, the State Attorney or whatever, and that garbage line to Rachel MacAdams. There is NO WAY that everyone didn't cringe when she was trying to get Antigone to like... hit on Ray or something. The fuck? That was the worst piece of dialogue.
- Regarding some of the dialogue, I honestly think that after someone says something weird or oblique, and there is someone else in the room, the other person should just be like "What... the fuck are you talking about?"
- That opening scene had me in stitches. I Love You, Pizzaman.
- Farrell continues to by the MVP of this season. His scene with his ex-wife, his dad, the corrupt bureaucracy, the doctor, dude's KILLING it! He remains a fascinating derailed human trainwreck that maybe has a shot of getting his shit together. I like that he quit drinking cause he wants to stay pissed.
- Lol, that scene with the mustachioed cop and Antigone.
- I found it funny that Woody rarely met anyone's eye after he punched his gay buddy. These two have a bright future together!
Alright, Birdman Suspect List:
- The Mayor's daughter
- The Mayor's supertan weirdo son
- The Mayor's drugged out wife
- Ray's Lieutenant (my current primary suspect! - part of the corrupt bureaucracy, has access to the riot rounds)
- Frank's Right Hand Man
- Future Ghost of Ben Casper
Probably cause the season will end with the (on paper) destruction of Vinci. The rest of the world keeps on turning, but the powers that be will probably have a downfall. Easier to pull with a fake town then saying "Oh, Vernon got taken down cause of Colin Farrel and Vince Vaughn".
- Vince Vaughn. I like him here! The fight scene could have used more oomph, yeah, but I liked how it ended. "Is that any way to greet the world?". Plus, if my wife was sitting at the end like that waiting for me, I would not just sullenly walk off to my room.
- Stan! Honestly, I thought Stan was one of Frank's goons at first.
- You could feel the change of director here. Really wish Lin stuck around for the whole season.
- I think everyone pretty much called Brokeback Afghanistan over there. I actually think any amusing side plotline would be Woody teamed up with the male hooker who awakens within him, himself.
- The Mayor of Vinci continues to crack me up. Also, his fucked up family, looooool. His son, what a ridiculous person. His absurdly hot Russian mail order wife. Dude's like the real life Mayor Quimby!
- Okay, the State Attorney or whatever, and that garbage line to Rachel MacAdams. There is NO WAY that everyone didn't cringe when she was trying to get Antigone to like... hit on Ray or something. The fuck? That was the worst piece of dialogue.
- Regarding some of the dialogue, I honestly think that after someone says something weird or oblique, and there is someone else in the room, the other person should just be like "What... the fuck are you talking about?"
- That opening scene had me in stitches. I Love You, Pizzaman.
- Farrell continues to by the MVP of this season. His scene with his ex-wife, his dad, the corrupt bureaucracy, the doctor, dude's KILLING it! He remains a fascinating derailed human trainwreck that maybe has a shot of getting his shit together. I like that he quit drinking cause he wants to stay pissed.
- Lol, that scene with the mustachioed cop and Antigone.
- I found it funny that Woody rarely met anyone's eye after he punched his gay buddy. These two have a bright future together!
Alright, Birdman Suspect List:
- The Mayor's daughter
- The Mayor's supertan weirdo son
- The Mayor's drugged out wife
- Ray's Lieutenant (my current primary suspect! - part of the corrupt bureaucracy, has access to the riot rounds)
- Frank's Right Hand Man
- Future Ghost of Ben Casper
Probably cause the season will end with the (on paper) destruction of Vinci. The rest of the world keeps on turning, but the powers that be will probably have a downfall. Easier to pull with a fake town then saying "Oh, Vernon got taken down cause of Colin Farrel and Vince Vaughn".
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Ray got shot by a rubber bullet or beanbag round. Less-than-lethal riot control ammunition. Birdman wasn't looking to kill him.
"Tell me what State has on me"
So was I, hahaha
SSPssp
Member
Do you mean when he asked her to thank him by telling him what the state has on him? (Basically, what evidence does the state have against him.)
Edit: Beaten!
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Really? I heard everything perfectly.
Don't know about you, but I have been having hard time with dialogues. Lot of people on Reddit have same problem too.
Thanks! Do you happen to know Velcoro actually said though? I caught the word "impact"..
scene was definitely set up to imply that and then yank it away
Yeah, some of the stuff is mumbly and whispery.
The scene in the club where Vaughn is talking to the escort was so weird. It was silent and bright as day in there.
Season 1 was something special. Season 2 is generic procedural cop drama.
The sound mix on Hannibal is insane too.
whisper whisper BLLRRRAAAANNNGGHHH whisper whisper BLLLAAAARRRRRRNGG.
Was good, but weakest of the 3. The writing is a lot worse than S1. I mean two eps in a row of the "mysterious badguy" just waiting until the cops show up to destroy evidence (and the whole badly running away chase scene in this ep; dude was knocking into so many things he should've just been caught) and yeah the internal sexuality battle of motor-cop is getting old quick.
Also not killing Farrel makes me wonder if the original script killed him but the studio wouldn't let them kill their star 2 eps in. Killing him makes so much sense since his story arc could basically have been finished by ep2. We know his entire story, he wants out, he'll never get out until he's dead. The end. Tragic character. And killing him like that would've shown that the series was unpredictable and no one is safe, raising the stakes of the show and making it far more exciting. Would be a way to set S2 apart from S1 right from the get go.
Otoh, by not killing him they keep their best actor and most interesting "human" character. McAdams is entertaining but too one-note. Vaugh just...can't act :| At this point we just need to accept that his story will be kind of crappy straight-to-tv acted and enjoy it for what it is.
Also not killing Farrel makes me wonder if the original script killed him but the studio wouldn't let them kill their star 2 eps in. Killing him makes so much sense since his story arc could basically have been finished by ep2. We know his entire story, he wants out, he'll never get out until he's dead. The end. Tragic character. And killing him like that would've shown that the series was unpredictable and no one is safe, raising the stakes of the show and making it far more exciting. Would be a way to set S2 apart from S1 right from the get go.
Otoh, by not killing him they keep their best actor and most interesting "human" character. McAdams is entertaining but too one-note. Vaugh just...can't act :| At this point we just need to accept that his story will be kind of crappy straight-to-tv acted and enjoy it for what it is.
That is exactly what ran through my head. It would have given the show crazy buzz too. And you know what, it would have really helped if they could get rid of one of the "stars." The first season was fine with McConaughey and Harrelson, I don't know why they expanded this season to four central characters. There's just too much to follow.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Was that the other incompetent fat cop that was following Woody around and taking photos after he shoved his gay buddy?
Don't remember, sorry :/
Don't remember, sorry :/
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
This mothafucka looks like a dude that would wear a bird mask while shooting a cop:
He is like the LBJ in Cavs. You get rid of him and you end up with a big pile of crap. Only reason I am watching this is because of his role, and maybe Mc Addams.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Lera Lynn not being in this episode singing a depressing song was a shame.
Okay, so whoever is doing the killing, they're directly targeting Frank. Though they're okay with killing people, so why not just fucking kill him.
Okay, so whoever is doing the killing, they're directly targeting Frank. Though they're okay with killing people, so why not just fucking kill him.