Also trump is siphoning white voters without college degree voters from hilary even though it doesn't look like she will lose any obama 12 states where this demographic is present mostly in anymore.
Trumps Doing Worse Than Romney Did Among White Voters (FiveThirtyEight)
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Also trump is siphoning white voters without college degree voters from hilary even though it doesn't look like she will lose any obama 12 states where this demographic is present mostly in anymore.
Basileus777
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This isn't especially true, Trump is still ahead in Iowa, Ohio, and ME-2 even if Hillary could still win there.
Rumblebones
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I feel like Romney would have handily beaten Clinton if he had decided to run.
wumster3000
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I love hearing this. Thanks a lot.
Seriously, thank you.
Please vote.
Basileus777
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He wouldn't have gotten through the primary.
Yep, but it looks like IA,OH and soon ME-2 are trending back to her.
Rumblebones
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Who do you reckon would've beaten him if Trump wasn't running?
In that case, then 190 is the ceiling for him. I think Ohio's ending up red though.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Again. Trump is what the GOP had decided to be their candidate. These other scenarios don't matter
It's not so much about hating Trump more, but about liking Hillary less than Obama. She won't inspire as many to wait in line for three hours to vote like they did for Obama.
Hilary will do well enough nationally most likely to win Ohio probably.
White people without college degrees are his major demographic? First time I've heard that. Either way, that's sad. It doesn't take a lot to realize he could potentially bring the end of humanity.
Nope. Red States are just very partisan Red.
They'd vote for Hitler if he had an R next to his name, even if Jesus was running as a Democrat.
When you just vote for teams and not factual issues, you won't see sweeps like back in the day.
Goro Majima
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The GOP must be incredibly pissed off at Trump and how the whole primary thing turned out.
Their leadership knew the demographics weren't there and they thought Bush or Rubio could bring the nomination home.
I almost can't wait for the 2020 Republican primaries. I'm hoping the Rockefeller/Nixon version of Republicans makes a comeback so we might have two sensible choices again.
Their leadership knew the demographics weren't there and they thought Bush or Rubio could bring the nomination home.
I almost can't wait for the 2020 Republican primaries. I'm hoping the Rockefeller/Nixon version of Republicans makes a comeback so we might have two sensible choices again.
Third Strike
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Their voters will never allow it. Only a superdelegate system could maybe prevent another Trump from happening. As long as the alt. right and Tea Party exist, they will continue to nominate whack jobs.
At some point I suspect the Republicans will just not allow people who are obviously loose cannons to run for their party's nomination. The only reason they let Trump get his foot in the door was because they were so frightened at the possibility he might run as a third party.
Kinda hilarious when you think about it, considering his unwillingness to fund even his Republican-approved campaign. There was never any way he would have spent his own money to support a General Election bid, especially as a third party.
Cesare Borgia
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I don't believe a "sensible" republican (Kasich, Ryan, etc) can win unless the republican party redoes its primary process. Trump won in large part due to the heavy amount of southern states that vote early in the process in late January and February; if Trump didn't run, Cruz would have won with the same state blueprint. Republicans need to add midwest states to the early process and start spreading southern states throughout the process instead of front loading them.
Even still the base isn't changing between now and 2020. They'll be even more angry, delusional, and anti-immigrant.
LucidMomentum
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Well when I said that I mean that the GOP may not be specifically targeting that group as their "goal" demographic, but polls are showing that that's the group most favoring Trump currently.
Lol, people thanking white people when it's the only demographic yes winning. Trump is the only person to make me truly ashamed to be a white male, lol.
I'm sure most were sarcastic, but still.
Not that it matters. Clinton is safe with or without Ohio.
I'm sure most were sarcastic, but still.
I think Hill is going to win Ohio, but it's gonna be close either way. I figured Florida was gonna be the close one, but nope, lol.
Not that it matters. Clinton is safe with or without Ohio.
Basileus777
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The Republican Party is chock full of nuts and loose cannons, how can they prevent their own elected politicians from running in the primary without the base revolting and primarying establishment politicians?
Cruz has a much narrower demographic and regional appeal than Trump, he wouldn't have been able to crush it in the winner-take-all or winner-take-most blue states that gave Trump the nomination. And without Trump Cruz wouldn't have benefited from all those NeverTrumpers.
Green Yoshi
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I really wonder how popular Hillary Clinton will be as president.
Trump seems to be a lazy guy, so he won't be too unhappy if he loses. He still could improve his brand awareness by running for president.
Trump seems to be a lazy guy, so he won't be too unhappy if he loses. He still could improve his brand awareness by running for president.
She tends to have pretty good approval ratings when she's an elected official. No friggin' clue if that'll hold up nationally though.
brandonh83
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I'm not proud of this, I just want to put that out there first. I'm 33 and this is the first time I've ever voted. Again, not proud of that, but I've been young and foolish. Now? I see the weight of every single vote that goes into the ballot and I will do everything I can as an American to ensure that Donald Trump is not our next President.
I mean they'll specifically exclude outsider types like Trump who have no allegiance to the party. None of their current talent really equals his lunacy.
Goro Majima
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Then they'll lose. Again. Hispanics were always the key going forward to win on a national level for their party and they torpedoed that this election.
And it's infuriating because if the party entrenches further in the far right, you get whackjobs winning elections down ballot which fucks people over regionally and locally.
I'm hoping that they redo the primary process with superdelegates so they can keep the far right off the ballot next time around. I hate how the hateful rhetoric flows downward like it has been.
How they're going to eject the conservative movement from the party is a whole other issue and that probably won't happen for a decade or two.
They really only have themselves to blame for that. They knew they could never control Trump, and they had a ridiculously massive field of candidates splitting the Republican establishment vote amongst the saner candidates in the primary elections. They should have made some backroom deals to get the obvious losers out of the race sooner so the establishment could back a single alternative to Trump. Instead they waited till the last minute and it was too late for Rubio or Cruz to take Trump down.
In 2020 they really need to limit the number of candidates running in their primaries. They set the rules on how their primaries are run, and each state decides on whether to do a caucus or primary election. If they got more of the early states to switch back to the caucus system, they could easily weed out candidates like Trump early on.
cruz would have sucked up the crazy vote and christian vote. plus romney has the loser stink to him and many would have ignored him because of that reason alone.
Cesare Borgia
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While this is true, Cruz had the superior ground game in the south, and the best campaign staff in the race. Trump was simply a whirlwind that hit at the right time. If not for that I don't see a scenario in which flawed and undermanned candidates like Bush/Rubio/etc could have won in the south.
Single issue voters and some people just vote their party no matter what. All that with a dash of people voting against people they dont like and voting because fuck Washington burn it down.
SolidSnakex
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Maybe not equal, but they absolutely have people in office that are just straight up racist/homophobic/misogynistic etc. Just look at people like Steve King or Paul LePage. What's to stop them from running? And they'd be favorites to the tea-party/alt-right crowd.
yes!
freeofgreed
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I am good. I hope the far right keeps electing Crazies so we can have a perpetual blue presidency. Let's see if we can beat FDR's record.
Yes - because he has no ground game
TheBryanJZX90
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Well I have one aunt that unfortunately bucks that trend. Luckily the rest of the conservatives in my family all hate Trump, even if they probably won't vote for Clinton they're not voting for him either.
EatinOlives
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Which I've always thought of as a really dumb thesis when you look at the numbers. The idea that there's a "secret" massive demographic hiding in plain sight that literally no polls will see coming is the political equivalent of the Xbox One's "Secret Sauce".
The Artisan
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of course, they are the majority. isn't that why every other race of humans are called minority?
orthodoxy1095
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Is it possible that people aren't lying but that demographic is just plain underrepresented in the polls period?
GraceflAnger
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DON'T JINX IT.
Every time I see this gif I chuckle. Gets me every time.
Michael F. Assbender
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Luckily, he's got tremendous support from many, many others.
Pamplemousse
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Yeah, Romney did better with white women. Trump pretty much only has the white male demographic.
Crimson_Echidna
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I mean yeah, he had binders full of em.
ChronotriggerJM
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As a white male I'm thrilled to be voting Hillary. I like knowing that I'm robbing from Trumps only pool.
Imperfected
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Well, I meant more in terms of the popular vote.
Trump seems to be behind Romney in every broad demographic, it just doesn't show up as profoundly in the head-to-head comparison with Clinton because she's also behind Obama, at least that's my understanding.
To spin it the other way from the people saying Romney could have beaten Clinton: if Obama got to run against Trump, we probably could have seen him carry an extra 5-7% margin in the popular vote, which would have been something to see.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Thank you, Caucasian Americans!
Though I would feel even better if he wasn't winning in any demographics like with white men.
*sigh* Can't win them all.
That being said, for goodness sake, everybody go out and vote! I won't feel relieved till election night is over even with these polls favoring Hilary. Apathy can do a lot of damage.
Though I would feel even better if he wasn't winning in any demographics like with white men.
*sigh* Can't win them all.
That being said, for goodness sake, everybody go out and vote! I won't feel relieved till election night is over even with these polls favoring Hilary. Apathy can do a lot of damage.
Same
I live in Upstate NY and everyone around here seems very excited about Trump because they worship the second amendment. It's going to feel real good once results come in.
My 87 year old Republican grandmother is very excited to be able to vote for a woman for president. She's always liked Hilary.
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