Bam Bam Baklava
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I don't understand this statement? Is the idea that if you just run left, you will never lose?
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Trump Fires James Comey
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I don't understand this statement? Is the idea that if you just run left, you will never lose?
How much? do you have numbers or are you just trying to make a point with something that may have happened. I don't see anything wrong with what the poster said, Trump has potential to be worse than Bush Jr but he's still pretty far from his bodycount.
lol I wonder what Schumer is thinking right now
Deaf Spacker
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I've just woke up to this.
WTF?
WTF?
What an insightful contribution.
Yeah, but he's only The President. You think this commentator would have a little respect, at least.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I didn't realize these things were judged on a body count scoreboard.
ShockingAlberto
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No, it's just what they do. They will try to capture an audience that doesn't ever want to vote for them.
Speaking cynically but realistically, they probably should just lie to middle America in the next presidential election. Promise jobs, blowjobs, free food, whatever. It works, so who gives a shit at this point.
Fenderputty
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This is false. <3 benji
neurosisxeno
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Apparently destroying American Democracy isn't quite as bad as starting wars--granted Trump still has time to do the latter.
Just imagine Ivanka sitting on his lap, asking Daddy, could you please do something for me? What is it my love. I want that FBI director fired. Say no more, it will be done before the end of the day.
Ivanka calls husband. It's a done deal sweetheart. Do you love me? Yes I do and I think you did great.
Ivanka calls husband. It's a done deal sweetheart. Do you love me? Yes I do and I think you did great.
For what?
neurosisxeno
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In your scenario you ignore the fact that Ivanka is clearly in control in that relationship. Jared is basically hidden away doing whatever and only shows up when there's a photo op of the whole family. As John Oliver pointed out, good luck finding interviews with Jared Kushner, but Ivanka does several each week.
It might help if your argument wasn't completely ridiculous on its face.
Don't be disingenuous. You brought the issue by claiming that there are non accounted casualties in response to a comment about Bush Jr's crimes.
But frankly, Is there a better metric to define how bad a person is than counting how many people they killed?
EDIT: we are getting derailed though.
Yes. The worst statistic out of that election was that Trump won it with less votes than Romney lost it with in 2012.
hydragonwarrior
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At the same time though, why didn't any of us fear this from the beginning? Trump could fire him at ANY time but none of us considered it was possible.
For nearly everyone into the Russian-Trump probe, this had to have been a possibility that had some backup plans in place, unless nearly everyone completely forgot about the fact that Trump had every ability to replace him. Which would also be a massive oversight by those leading the investigation.
He had more votes than Romney had in 2012. 62m v 60m.
This is nonsense. By 2020, people would have felt the impact of his presidency -- including the people who voted for him and didn't expect that impact.
That does not mean he can't be re-elected. But it will sure as hell be harder for him in 2020 if he remains this unpopular and with people actually seeing his America.
Thinking the only way he doesn't get re-elected is if he's impeached or starts murdering white Americans is baseless hyperbole without an inch of reasoning or logic.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump can win re-election, but this "people are usually willing to give parties 8 years to sort things out" kind of applies to people who had 70% approval to start (aka, all previous presidents)
40% of voters view Trump as devoid of humanity and needing to be imprisoned and 14% more dislike him.
Four months in.
The opposition is not acting like how the opposition usually acts to a new president and ignoring that info is bizarre for political analysis.
40% of voters view Trump as devoid of humanity and needing to be imprisoned and 14% more dislike him.
Four months in.
The opposition is not acting like how the opposition usually acts to a new president and ignoring that info is bizarre for political analysis.
Huh, you're right. There was an article during election week that mentioned my original statement. Maybe they weren't final vote counts?
Sirpopopop
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Actually, Trump had more votes than Romney:
62.9 million vs. 60.9 million.
Hillary Clinton had 65.8 million to BO's 65.9 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
crazy monkey
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As with everything that he has done. He will get away with it. Sorry. Love to be proven wrong.
Yeah, there were a ton of people using early voting count figures to say this and how low the turnout was compared to 2012, when turnout was actually up from 2012.
HP_Wuvcraft
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samoscratch
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Perfectly put. I dont know how many more signs people need.
You're the second person in three pages to link this as "this just in" when it's actually about six hours old.
You're the second person in three pages to link this as "this just in" when it's actually about six hours old.
Crap, sorry.
The Living Tribunal
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I would miss benji.
ShockingAlberto
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Unpopular does not mean motivated to go out and vote. Historically, all Trump has to do is start a war to remain in office.
benjipwns
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He's fucking President of the United States dude.
You'd rather I not post things to counter an increasingly unhinged and frankly paranoid narrative that we're on the cusp of a lifelong dictatorship and we need to contemplate and encourage political violence as a solution? Okay. I'll think about what those people and their defenders would prefer I do some.
The last President stated he had the authority to murder American citizens without due process. He never fired the man who lied to Congress about illegal domestic spying, instead he gave him a medal.
The President before him stated he had the authority to torture American citizens without due process. Let alone what he could do to foreigners based on inherent "executive powers" that demanded no oversight. He also as I noted signed legislation he stated was unconstitutional.
The President before him launched and continued a war not only without but against the approval of Congress. (He also actually did commit perjury and obstruction of justice while in office because he's got a blindspot a mile wide.)
The President before him was involved in not only criminal actions while Vice President that he issued pardons for, but he invaded a sovereign nation and overthrew its government to prosecute drug trafficking. He setup a new domestic propaganda office and elevated it to cabinet position.
I can go on into things even worse like internment or Woodrow Wilson but I think this is enough. So you might see why I'm not particularly concerned that a man I consider to be incredibly stupid and abnormally vain not to mention just plain weird has fired someone he has complete authority to fire because the people on the TV bad mouthed him and the idiot reacts based on his media coverage in a direct way. I suspect that the actual crimes he will oversee, or has already overseen, during his time in office will be far far worse if only because of inertia.
Bonen no Max'd
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I mean, it used to be that murdering over a hundred thousand civilians was a pretty big deal. Trump hasn't really reached that milestone yet.
Same.
BrassDragon
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Are you seriously comparing Bush's reelection after 9/11 to Trump potentially starting a war? Seriously?
Do you disagree that Comey was fired because of the Russia investigation? If you do, that's bizarre. If you don't, and still think it doesn't matter because he's legally allowed to fire him, that's bizarre.
He also, supposedly, brought in Devos' brother who owns some security firm to quell the IC leaks.
ShironRedshift
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I sadly really have to agree with and it's the conclusion I've come to after both the election and the primaries before them. It doesn't seem to matter much whether a politician's telling the truth or lying through their teeth every time they speak. The act of lying only seems to hurt a politician (on the Presidential level anyway) if they hesitate on whether to keep lying or tell the truth, or if they admit they were lying or untruthful in any way. As long as they keep to one set of "facts" and don't budge an inch from them no matter what the opposition says, people don't seem to care.
It's only when they themselves admit they lied or did something they shouldn't have that people really start paying attention. That seems to be how things have worked out for Trump and Republicans in Congress--even when they're caught in a lie, they never admit it and just keep going with the exact same story no matter what and just keep repeating it as much as they need to until people get bored and move on. Whereas on the other side of the fence, Democrats don't seem to have the same resilience and tenacity so you have say Clinton admitting she's made mistakes and did indeed misspeak about some things, which people just use as launching pads for whatever other nonsense they want to attach to her from there.
So yeah, I don't like it... but I can't say that it wouldn't be a winning strat at this point, with the way things have gone.
Trump is going to push for Director Giuliani guaranteed.
Perfect circle for Trump to try and protect his ass. Giuliani without a doubt was one of the people being fed information by the FBI Office in NYC to throw out about Clinton.
If Trump can weasel him in then he can do the damage he needs to do
Perfect circle for Trump to try and protect his ass. Giuliani without a doubt was one of the people being fed information by the FBI Office in NYC to throw out about Clinton.
If Trump can weasel him in then he can do the damage he needs to do
Rran
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Well, I no doubt they've since corrected the story, but simply found the graphic amusing, because--if there was only one news organization to deliver this major headline through a somewhat less damaging lens--of course it's going to be Fox News lol. It's just a funny little footnote to the whole story that I can see someone like Colbert or Seth Myers making a crack at
EatinOlives
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Like when he tried the Muslim travel ban, twice, and got blocked, twice.
Oh wait that doesn't count for some reason, lololol
Trump administration has gotten around it in a broader way. They have stopped all vetting of refugees recently. If they cant block muslims they will block everyone
To be fair, I think there's a difference from preventing Trump's ideas from passing and the things he "does."
The poster is referring to things he says in public, the Access Hollywood video, the family/business ties, etc.
EatinOlives
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Blocking refugees is actually narrower than a generic travel ban of all incoming people from those seven countries though.
The second time the first EO on the Muslim ban was blocked, they cited his many off-the-cuff statements on wanting to ban Muslims. So no, he HASN'T gotten away with the things he "does" every time.
Again, I don't think he was referring to policies.
Some security firm? More like PMC Blackwater.
EatinOlives
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What does it matter whether or not it refers to policy? He hasn't gotten away wth everything he does, it has come to bite him in the was. No need to start moving goalposts just to fit a skewed "nothing will come of this" defeatist attitude that isn't even grounded in reality.
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