14th Amendment? Don't need it.
Fuck even if people weren't explicitly protected that's some shit. They're talking about selectively granting human rights.
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Trump Surrogate Cites Japanese Camps as Precedent for Muslim Registration
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Fuck even if people weren't explicitly protected that's some shit. They're talking about selectively granting human rights.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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The human condition of not learning from history....
Time to listen to Kenji again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBKcOZjX6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBKcOZjX6g
Psamtik. Death's Demise
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I told everyone there'd be camps. Didn't expect Trump & co. to lay the groundwork so early, though.
Are we supposed to take your word as truth and be smiles at this news? Fuck that shit.
Trump surrogates were somehow the king shits of a particularly shitty election. Not an ounce of self-awareness or debate ability on any of 'em.
One particularly egregious instance was on the Don Lemon show, the day after that black Trump supporter was ejected from one of his rallies, having been mistaken as a protestor. They play the clip of the guy getting escorted out of the venue and then start off asking the Trump surrogate for his thoughts, and then he launches into the canned "Hillary's paying these protestors to show up" conspiracy spiel, and everyone on the panel gets this quizzical look and then interrupts him that, no no no, this guy was a Trump supporter. The surrogate looks shocked and betrayed and launches into this butthurt "What are you talking about? Really? I never heard about this! You guys set me up!" defense.
Like, this had been all over the news cycle for a good 12 hours by the point of this interview, and a dude that's fucking paid to do damage control for the Trump campaign didn't get a memo? Are you fucking shitting me?
And now we get to see this kind of garbage for 4 more years. Huzzah.
One particularly egregious instance was on the Don Lemon show, the day after that black Trump supporter was ejected from one of his rallies, having been mistaken as a protestor. They play the clip of the guy getting escorted out of the venue and then start off asking the Trump surrogate for his thoughts, and then he launches into the canned "Hillary's paying these protestors to show up" conspiracy spiel, and everyone on the panel gets this quizzical look and then interrupts him that, no no no, this guy was a Trump supporter. The surrogate looks shocked and betrayed and launches into this butthurt "What are you talking about? Really? I never heard about this! You guys set me up!" defense.
Like, this had been all over the news cycle for a good 12 hours by the point of this interview, and a dude that's fucking paid to do damage control for the Trump campaign didn't get a memo? Are you fucking shitting me?
And now we get to see this kind of garbage for 4 more years. Huzzah.
That post doesn't sound like we should be smiling at all. "Less bad than Nazi Germany" is still pretty fucking bad if David Wong's predictions come to pass.
DangerMouse
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victreeb3l
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Fuck Trump, fuck his supporters, and fuck the GOP
Lonewolf_92
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Did you listen to the Glenn Beck on CNN? He quotes one of the "intellectual leaders" of the Alt-Right movement, as selected by Bannon, who talked positively about castration for non-whites, among other things.
SporeCrawler
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Khan warned you
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Rationalisation of fascist talk is one of the ways fascism gets entrenched into society. Do not try paint what these people say as a misunderstanding. They mean what they say.
WiiredShawn
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Here's how it breaks down:
Either he's a total idiot who is historically tone deaf
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He's referring to camps
Neither of these are encouraging.
We don't need to rationalize this. It's a test - an effort to see what they can get away with, to see how far they can shift the Overton Window. Don't let them.
While we're at it, fuck these surrogates.
Hierophant
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Stopping fascism at all costs is your duty as a human
food for thought
Don't with this screenshot of text. How can I follow that link to the source, its abbreviated. Plus the time stamp is relative, so the actual post is going to be onerous to impossible to find pretty quickly.
Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/DarakshanR/posts/10154105628427336
Yes they do mean what they say, that's what I'm talking about. They literally said they want to restrict travel from a select list of countries, and are pointing to past uses of this method for reference. Restriction on travel, NOT internment camps. He was directly asked if they were talking about camps, and he said no. Again, yes they do mean what they say. This isn't rationalizing, it is understanding the facts.
Look, people are terrified right now, and I have no interest in enhancing peoples' fears with misinformation.
The surrogate mentions WWII and 'the Japanese' in reference to Japanese-Americans interned by FDR's administration. He was absolutely talking about internment camps. Not misinformation at all.
Thanks!
formasymphonic
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The part that gets me most about all of this is trying to justify it by using muslims who subscribe to extreme ideologies as a reason...
As if trump's presidency doesn't represent a whole bunch of right wing and white supremacists with extreme ideologies. The fucking hypocrisy.
As if trump's presidency doesn't represent a whole bunch of right wing and white supremacists with extreme ideologies. The fucking hypocrisy.
He referred to both WWII and the Iranian revolution, and the precedence he was using was the restrictions on travel. Again he was asked if he was referring to camps and he explained that he was not. People are on edge right now, and I think it needs to be made perfectly clear that this surrogate is not proposing putting people in camps.
StrategyFan
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he's talking about using ww2 internment to attempt to prove that whatever they actually decide to do will be legal
regardless, it just shows a complete lack of understanding of what the conflict is. the US isn't at war with Islam, so using wartime incarceration to justify doing anything to Muslims is a non sequitur
the other (even scarier) possibility is that they are trying to declare war on Islam
anyways, i'm sure there's some bullshit in the patriot act or something similar which will let them get away with whatever they want
regardless, it just shows a complete lack of understanding of what the conflict is. the US isn't at war with Islam, so using wartime incarceration to justify doing anything to Muslims is a non sequitur
the other (even scarier) possibility is that they are trying to declare war on Islam
anyways, i'm sure there's some bullshit in the patriot act or something similar which will let them get away with whatever they want
Chaos2Frozen
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Either you wait and see if they really, honestly mean to put people in camps.
Or you shut this shit down before it starts.
Because once it starts, it's even harder to stop.
https://youtu.be/SkjCgb7K1ZQ?t=1m17s
You may want to rewatch this part which is specifically about -immigrants- already in the US being required to register, not people trying to come into the country. The surrogate only acknowledged it after Kelly scrutinized it, and he tried to give her the run-around before she called him out on it.
KO Traveling Hobo
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No, he isn't referencing internment camps. He was referencing the registry.
But that isn't the point. The point is that he is casually citing the treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2 as precedent for proposed policy. That is not okay, and that is very ominous.
But that isn't the point. The point is that he is casually citing the treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2 as precedent for proposed policy. That is not okay, and that is very ominous.
EmpressInYellow
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Come on, man. Higbie himself may be a clown, but there's some pretty troubling signs beyond the stuff you lay out.
For instance, Kris Kobach isn't just some guy. He's a member of the Trump transition team, one of his key advisers on immigration, and the architect of some of the country's most restrictive, draconian anti-immigrant laws (including Arizona's "papers please" law). He's been throwing stuff out there for ages trying to get something in place that the courts won't immediately strike down, and just yesterday he was bringing up Trump's suggested Muslim registry.
You're right that there probably won't be actual, honest-to-god internment camps (for Muslims anyway - for undocumented immigrants, I think that's actually pretty likely, at least as part of the overall deportation process). But trying to act like any of this is normal, even by the standards of the most awful modern Republican presidency, ignores a lot of the context.
Chmpocalypse
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The idea of putting people in camps should be rejected and shut down completely, but we shouldn't spread misinformation about people in government proposing this idea. Yes we need to make our voices heard, and yes we need to make it perfectly that if this administration attempts such a thing there will be legal actions held against them, but we don't need to go around making people believe that people in charge of our government are proposing putting them in camps when they are not
I agree, there is a lot of dishonesty, but I have no intentions of joining them in their dishonesty. No one is proposing putting people in camps, and I have no interest in scaring people into believing anything that isn't true
There would be even more backlash if he had outright suggested it. Kelly made the logical conclusion that the registry could be used for such a thing, and by citing it at all he is bringing attention to it as a possibility. Note that he had to immediately back off from it to avoid getting hammered further, and Kelly being a lawyer, decided not to entertain the thought any longer. Most people here understand pretty well that he didn't outright suggest internment camps, but they weren't born yesterday, and the connection is there.
foxuzamaki
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So the elected white supremacists propose white suoremacist policies? Shocked
This is what the majority of voters in key states like Florida, NC, Ohio and Iowa voted for. I hope they're proud of themselves.
This is what the majority of voters in key states like Florida, NC, Ohio and Iowa voted for. I hope they're proud of themselves.
They've already gone back to not giving a shit. E.T is on soon and we need to know what's going on with Bradulina
Succinct Verbosity
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Hopefully if this goes ahead Canada is ready to take a lot of people.
Frozenprince
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Oh they are, they don't give a shit about us.
Yeah cause that sure stopped Jewish hatred.
If you're brown and your name is Mohamed, you're dead.
Even if you're not Muslim, they will treat you like the worst kind of Muslim.
At no point did he say anything about camps, what he was talking about was the restriction on travel. He first cited that we did this during the Iranian revolution, and then he cited WWII. Kelly flat out asked him if he was proposing going back to internment camps, and he said no.
Now I agree that we should be cautious about this idea they are proposing, but we've got like 6 pages here of people believing that the president elect is proposing putting people in camps. I take issue with leading people to believe this because I find it immoral
It upsets me because I've been spending the past week speaking with people who are genuinely terrified, I've done what I could to ease their anxiety with whatever information they might not know about. I really don't think we should be adding to their anxiety with information that isn't true
Fuck, I was just listening to Kenji last night too. This shit is atrocious, I'm praying that this is just Trump's idiocy and inexperience at play here than something more sinister, but even if it is that doesn't really make it any less terrifying.
Anerican's really gonna have to take a stand here. I was kinda iffy on stuff like protests but this is beyond somebody winning a democratic election now, Trump is exactly what he said he's been his whole campaign. We've all waited now and I think we've seen enough to know he's a problem.
Anerican's really gonna have to take a stand here. I was kinda iffy on stuff like protests but this is beyond somebody winning a democratic election now, Trump is exactly what he said he's been his whole campaign. We've all waited now and I think we've seen enough to know he's a problem.
Kai Dracon
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To be fair, I suspect most of the gang assembling around Trump - most - wouldn't push for literal camps. (Bannon on the other hand, will be in his bunk.) The way in which this particular guy invoked internment as a historical precedent came more across like this:
"If we don't build literal camps, we're not doing the Bad Thing that set the precedent, so we can proceed to use the Bad Thing as a precedent without any sense of guilt."
So as long as they're not rounding people up and busing them to a gulag, they'd justify every possible thing right up to the edge of that and still feel they're being very restrained and responsible. I wouldn't be surprised of someone at the Trump Table would brightly suggest little decorative arm bands. I mean who would be offended by that? It's not like we're doing internment camps guys.
"If we don't build literal camps, we're not doing the Bad Thing that set the precedent, so we can proceed to use the Bad Thing as a precedent without any sense of guilt."
So as long as they're not rounding people up and busing them to a gulag, they'd justify every possible thing right up to the edge of that and still feel they're being very restrained and responsible. I wouldn't be surprised of someone at the Trump Table would brightly suggest little decorative arm bands. I mean who would be offended by that? It's not like we're doing internment camps guys.
nelsonroyale
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Surely by expressing this kind of view/policy suggestion, he is portraying himself to be an extremist? Where can he be deported to?
But for real, this kind of policy is on the slippery slope to fascism.
But for real, this kind of policy is on the slippery slope to fascism.
MWS Natural
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But Muslims aren't a race! Generic excuse ver 187.69
CaramelMarx
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I read about this shortly before bed and now I'm pretty much unable to sleep from fear. I'm hopefully freaking out over nothing, but the fact this kind of bullshit is even being talked about is truly terrifying to me. Not trying to fear monger, just straight up worried.
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Especially since, you know, WW2 actually ended. The GWOT, meanwhile, by all estimates will last at last ten to twenty more years...
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Especially since, you know, WW2 actually ended. The GWOT, meanwhile, by all estimates will last at last ten to twenty more years...
EmpressInYellow
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True story - I had some Trump-ite (with a Jeff Dunham avatar) even tell me on Twitter the other day that "Muslim isn't a religion - Islam is".
Christian isn't a religion either Christianity is. Muslim and Christian refer to adherents of Islam and Christianity respectively.
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