Mistake
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It’s speculated that Musk only used the recent poll and drama to weed out botnetsTrump said he’s not going back to twitter despite the unban. Massive ownage and L for Musk
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ManaByte
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The difference is any dipshit can setup a mastodon server and shut it down at any time.
ManaByte
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Funny how there's always an alternative reason for Musk's bad choices.
ManaByte
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Trump said he’s not going back to twitter despite the unban. Massive ownage and L for Musk
1. He has a contract with Truth where his social media posts are exclusive there for six hours.
2. Truth's app actually works. Huge parts of Twitter are just broken now, SMS 2FA verification on Twitter is broken now so anyone with 2FA who logs out can't get back in.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
And you never know which dipshit is buying your data from twitter.
It works because it runs mastodon.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
double post
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SJRB
Gold Member
Mastodon was doomed from the onset. The fact that you have to select servers or whatever means segregated communities, which makes it a nonstarter because everyone being in the same shared space must be the default if it’s supposed to be a replacement for Twitter.
I made an account and right from the getgo, you can tell that Mastodon is the product of nerds.
The fuck is this. This is what I see on the front page. Twitter gives you various Tweets from folks until it figures out what you want to see after you follow people or your clicking habits. Mastodon gives you nothing. This is not a viable replacement.
Mastodon is just fucking weird. Even the sign-up process is super obtuse. You need to select a specific server or whatever, but some servers are locked meaning you can't join that server but you can make an account on another server and then join the first server. Mastodon.social apparently is the place to be but that place closed registrations. So you make a social media platform but restrict people from joining.
Everything is decentralized, fragmenting the userbase. Some servers can be accessed, some not. How and why? No idea. Not to mention a lot of servers are run by mods or admins with a god complex.
How anyone thinks Mastodon is a solid replacement for Twitter is beyond me. Surely anyone doing 5 minutes of research sees these glaring issues.
Mistake
Member
Didn’t say it was the reason. Not pretending that I know either.
Either way, the site is still up
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The servers listed at joinmastodon.com are federated with mastodon.social which means there is no fragmentation.
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Flatline
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There's nothing wrong with being decentralized, Skype used to be decentralized in its glory days before MS ruined it, it's just that Mastodon is decentralized in the most incompetent, incomprehensible ways possible.
LegendOfKage
Member
For Musk to uphold his commitment to free speech, previously banned users do not need to post anything on Twitter, they just need to be able to.Trump said he’s not going back to twitter despite the unban. Massive ownage and L for Musk
The Book Reader
Banned
Red flag’s should be going up for everyone. Isn’t it a bit weird that if a company or entity isn’t 
on board with a political parties extreme values, then all of a sudden it needs to be shut down or regulated by the government or taken off app stores? It was okay before Musk bought it, but all of a sudden it needs to be nuked from orbit? Red flags should be going up people. Our country and society works on balance. Everyone deserves to say what they want to say, and have a platform to say it imo. It’s central to maintaining balance and fighting back on corruption.
on board with a political parties extreme values, then all of a sudden it needs to be shut down or regulated by the government or taken off app stores? It was okay before Musk bought it, but all of a sudden it needs to be nuked from orbit? Red flags should be going up people. Our country and society works on balance. Everyone deserves to say what they want to say, and have a platform to say it imo. It’s central to maintaining balance and fighting back on corruption.
strange headache
Banned
The reeeing is real:
And here is Twitter's former head of Trust & Safety apologizing to the mob. No wonder that guy was let go:
Twitter is finally cracking down on CP, while the media keeps fearmongering about mean tweets:
CBS ends its Twitter boycott after only two days
Meanwhile on Mastodon journalists are banning each other and engaging in tribalistic feuds with other users:
NYT journalists are getting banned for writing critical articles about gender transition:
This is just too frikkin' funny and that's not even touching upon the political stuff.
But hey Elon is the dumb one amirite?
And here is Twitter's former head of Trust & Safety apologizing to the mob. No wonder that guy was let go:
Twitter is finally cracking down on CP, while the media keeps fearmongering about mean tweets:
CBS ends its Twitter boycott after only two days
Meanwhile on Mastodon journalists are banning each other and engaging in tribalistic feuds with other users:
NYT journalists are getting banned for writing critical articles about gender transition:
This is just too frikkin' funny and that's not even touching upon the political stuff.
But hey Elon is the dumb one amirite?
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funkygunther
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and if the poll hadn't gone that way, would he have failed on his "commitment to free speech"?
Red flag’s should be going up for everyone. Isn’t it a bit weird that if a company or entity isn’t
cool, if everyone "deserves a platform" then make it actually public...you know, like an actual town square
The Book Reader
Banned
Why was Twitter okay to use without question before Musk purchased it? There was a lot of speech going on at the platform that could have been deemed hateful.
I don’t think an actual town square is ideal with the way the internet changed our world here in 2022.
LegendOfKage
Member
Musk already failed on his commitment to free speech when he said he won't allow Alex Jones back on the platform. To be clear, I don't want Alex Jones back on Twitter, and he'd likely end up being a huge liability, but free speech means supporting speech that you dislike. Musk cannot claim to be a free speech absolutist, and then put limits on who gets to post on twitter.
However, in addition to being a binary, free speech support is also a spectrum. Musk may have failed when it comes to free speech, but he can fail even more depending on the actions that he takes or doesn't take. And yes, if the poll went the other way and he didn't allow Trump back on the platform, that would just be another strike against Musk.
There's many companies that aren't onboard with many things of all sorts of political parties. Claiming there is some strict obedience to some undefined political value and calling it extreme is the kind of conspiratorial thinking that spirals into bias. There was talk of advertisers, but they respond to people as much as they try to influence. It works both ways, in different ways. People will buy stuff if companies don't support things that upset their lives. Companies mirror their customers and try to insert their products.Red flag’s should be going up for everyone. Isn’t it a bit weird that if a company or entity isn’t
It would be more fair to say from evidence that Twitter was the hypothetical balanced social ecosystem and that extreme elements want to take over under the cloak of victimization.
funkygunther
Banned
to me Twitter is just as ok to use now as it was before, that's not the part of your post I picked out arguing that everyone deserves a platform because as long as these platforms are still members' clubs they aren't going to be the answer to that
funkygunther
Banned
of course he's already failed his commitment, there is no "uphold" any more as you put it...and just putting the poll up is the free speech strike against Musk, not the result of it
FunkMiller
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On allowing cunts like Alex Jones back on the site… You either let the lunatics have their say, or you have advertisers.
You can’t have both.
You can’t have both.
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Maiden Voyage
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Maiden Voyage
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It's yeezy season
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Since the last one never materialized, here's a new doomsday scenario:
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strange headache
Banned
Implying that advertisers never finance lunatics.
The Book Reader
Banned
Scary times we live in when the market holder gets to decide what hate speech is. But just one month ago everything was A OKAY.
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strange headache
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It's amazing how Musk is getting the mainstream media to admit that Twitter is mostly run by bots. It will force content creators to not rely on twitter trends and hopefully make policy makers and opinion makers realize that they are caught in an illusion. This is the real fear of disgruntled twitter users, that they have to consider the possibility that they lived a lie and that their social media entourage does not translate into the real world.
Instead of facing the facts, they are fleeing to increasingly fragmented information bubbles to uphold the illusion. It's sad really.
Instead of facing the facts, they are fleeing to increasingly fragmented information bubbles to uphold the illusion. It's sad really.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You'd think to enjoy Twitter laughs, you'd have to sign up with a profile to engage in all its stupidity.
Why bother?
Just sit back and watch the fireworks as dumbasses butt heads on a free social media platform involving tweets (what an immature term) with limited character count. Made even better as their leader takes part in trolling its own users.
Why bother?
Just sit back and watch the fireworks as dumbasses butt heads on a free social media platform involving tweets (what an immature term) with limited character count. Made even better as their leader takes part in trolling its own users.
LegendOfKage
Member
Right, you can have free speech, or you can have advertisers dictate who gets to speak. But you can have both if you're willing to ignore the censorship demands made of you, but still have a platform strong enough to attract different advertisers. I think spotify found that out recently. They stood their ground, and it was the right choice to make.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Totally they'll be back.
CBS already see-sawed back 24 hours later. It's not like Twitter or the rest of the world changed crossing from Saturday to Sunday.
CBS is so eager to hop back on the Twitter train they couldnt even wait till Monday morning when people are back at the office.
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Thought this was interesting…is Elon this dumb or does he just not care and figures paying fines or settling is the cost of doing business?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont know how Europe works, but maybe the laws are so hardcore you have to let the employee back in the office and let them work if they want to. I dont know.
But typically, even the most hardcore policy in Canada or the US can be broken. You just have to pay more severance or penalty fees to compensate.
As I said in an early post, Musk might be willing to gas employees asap, pay penalties and start fresh. Doing this also reduces the risk of sabotage from pissy employees. That's why most companies firing people do it on the spot in the morning, they take back your laptop, IT locks you out from logging in anyway (if you dont give it back or left it at home). They dont want the employee around because a pissed off worker given time to hang around for an extra month before termination might do dumb shit, erase files, steal files etc...
Months of lead time and letting employees still come to work as normal is typically only for people they trust wont fuck around with files and secrets before they leave.
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strange headache
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Funny, when I called CBS a farce two days ago, I had the Musk hate brigade jump down my throat.
Musk already fired 2/3 of Twitter's lobbying team in Brussels, so I call bull on that tweet.
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Exactly what are you calling bull on? That employment laws in Europe are being misrepresented or something?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Meanwhile on Mastodon journalists are banning each other and engaging in tribalistic feuds with other users:
NYT journalists are getting banned for writing critical articles about gender transition:
This is just too frikkin' funny and that's not even touching upon the political stuff.
But hey Elon is the dumb one amirite?
Mastodon.social and a lot of other big servers have not defederated them, it’s mostly small and radical mastodons that have done that.
So, it’s working as intended. It’s each server prerogative to chose what content they allow.
strange headache
Banned
That Musk is "too dumb" to fire his European employees, when he's already laid off some of his highest ranked employees who are directly lobbying the European Parliament.
Also why should we care what this Palle guy has to tweet? He didn't even provide a source.
If that's working as intended, the platform is already doomed to fail as it will regress into infinitely fragmented tribalistic communities and information bubbles.
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phisheep
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I'm settling in quite nicely at Mastadon on a small, relatively quiet server (though it is rapidly getting bigger with emigres like me).
The way I think of it is if Twitter is the town square, Mastadon is all the different pubs that surround it. Sure I want to hear all the news or pick a fight I'll be out in the square with the rest of 'em. But if I fancy a chat or it gets too rough out there for me, I'll duck into a pub. Doesn't really matter that I can't talk to all the people in all the other pubs at the same time - that's not what pubs are for.
As for what's going on at Twitter, I'm rather horrified. I've been through a few takeovers myself, and run many more of them, and this seems a textbook example of how not to do it.
The way I think of it is if Twitter is the town square, Mastadon is all the different pubs that surround it. Sure I want to hear all the news or pick a fight I'll be out in the square with the rest of 'em. But if I fancy a chat or it gets too rough out there for me, I'll duck into a pub. Doesn't really matter that I can't talk to all the people in all the other pubs at the same time - that's not what pubs are for.
As for what's going on at Twitter, I'm rather horrified. I've been through a few takeovers myself, and run many more of them, and this seems a textbook example of how not to do it.
strange headache
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That’s not what he’s saying. And I threw out that there are two possibilities: a) he doesn’t realize the laws are different in Europe, or b) he does know but doesn’t care and will absorb whatever costs come from just mass firing people without proper steps per EU laws.
I don’t know EU employment regs but from the EU regs I do know, it sounds par for the course
Nobody_Important
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It's a fact that European countries usually have much better protections for employees than "at will" states in the U.S though.
If he has already fired other people following the proper steps according to European law, then that's fine. If he hasn't, well...it'll be fun to watch the news stories, at least.
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strange headache
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So much for the "advertisers are leaving Twitter" narrative:
www.adweek.com
Or c) they were fired legally with due respect to procedure. Why would he not be aware of employment laws in Europe? Dude just opened a Giga factory in Berlin. You really think he's dumber than us? Also that twitter account posted no sources whatsoever.
Twitter, TikTok and Taboola Grow Ad Spend as Economy Scrambles Media Mix
Twitter also increased its percentage of total ad spend since Musk’s ownership
www.adweek.com
Or c) they were fired legally with due respect to procedure. Why would he not be aware of employment laws in Europe? Dude just opened a Giga factory in Berlin. You really think he's dumber than us? Also that twitter account posted no sources whatsoever.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Europe is tricky. It's not just EU regulations you have to deal with, but the employment laws vary from country to country. IIRC France and Sweden are particularly restrictive. I've worked in both, and it is super important to get decent local legal advice and if you're going to fire the lawyers at least fire the lawyers last!
Any day now guys!You still trying this huh.
Also "successfully"??? Really???
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