boiled goose
good with gravy
ok so blastocysts and zygotes are not people.
so abortion is ok at some stages of development and not others.
Where do you draw the line personally, and where do you think the law should draw the line?
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TX State Senator leads 11 hour filibuster that successfully beats anti-abortion bill
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ok so blastocysts and zygotes are not people.
so abortion is ok at some stages of development and not others.
Where do you draw the line personally, and where do you think the law should draw the line?
The funeral lady was parliamentary things as well I believe.
If only there was a transcript they could review...
Basically they have until midnight Texas time to vote for the bill until the legislative session ends and they have to start from the beginning next time they are in session. So she decided to filibuster the bill by just talking until midnight which would kill it. Then some asshole decided to try and bend the rules to try and end her filibuster which led to what is going on now.
Brawndo Addict
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Can you explain what that means? As I was watching it seemed like I understood this point and then somehow the discussion moved past it. But I was never clear what the point actually was, only that it seemed persuasive.
They're appealing everything. If they can appeal the ruling to recognize a motion to table an appeal, they can keep appealing and tabling forever. It's fucking amazing.
What do you call the tactics used to get this bill voted on?
Escape Goat
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my feed is breaking up. noooo
helloresolven
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Actually it is more like taking your ball, standing in the midst of everyone, and saying "come and fucking get it."
Avoiding a quorum is taking your ball and going home when you're losing.
Dem Senator wanted to talk for hours straight in order to push a vote on the bill being debated past the time that it could be voted on. They have to let her do this, but they can be dicks about it by basically giving her three strikes. If she pauses, rests, or goes off topic, they can give her a strike and if they deem that she's done that three times then they can vote on cloture (cloture is ending debate).
Now other Dems are stepping up and appealing the third strike and we've gotten stuck in parliamentary procedure.
speculawyer
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You're out of order! You're out of order!
I am Michael Bolton
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I've NEVER seen anything like this.
ConfusingJazz
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It's one of the three power jobs in the state.
They are, Lt Gov, Speaker of the House, and Railroad Commissioner.
The only reason Perry has power is because he has been there for so long, he has appointed the entire bureaucracy at this point.
Texas has super low voter turnout. Republican domination is mostly a result of the fact that most of the people who turn out to vote are a old white people.
Angelus Errare
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lmao, I don't even
True, but if we're bound to have them, at least make a talking filibuster, so at least it's entertaining.
Fuck that procedural crap the US Senate has.
Velcro Fly
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When stupid stuff is going to pass into law, you do whatever it takes to stop that.
Demoncarnotaur
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I'm so confused.
Which basically seems to be turning into another filibuster since it's amounting to exactly the same thing: running out the clock.
Damn straight!
The Lt. Governor of Texas is more powerful than the Governor.
The motion to table is being appealed but they want to appeal the decision to appeal the motion to table but they're debating the appeal of the appeal of table motion, tapes records appeal chair motion table wing zap doodle bang wollygag.
Black Mamba
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they're arguing over whether a ruling is a ruling.
phosphor112
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I finally understand what's going on, and that chairman is bullshittin hard.
I WANT TO SEE THE RECEIPTS.
I WANT TO SEE THE RECEIPTS.
They have their purpose though. Direct democracy and majority +1 for all legislative purposes are dangerous tools.
I am Michael Bolton
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Who is on First?
Angelus Errare
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=O
I honestly don't know, the comments I read didn't specify the reason, but my guess is due to being raised by Republican-voting parents and just continuing with the tradition.
ClassyPenguin
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Actually, it's way more clear cut then that and is what doctors use in most places where abortion access is not subject to bullshit rules, like in CA. The rest of the argument is non-doctors and scientists arguing semantics ie most pro-lifers. Their ignorance of simple reproductive biology and rejection of empiricism is amazing.
Exactly, now they're trying to table debate on the appeal.
ConfusingJazz
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The Dems are trying to nest as many parliamentary procedures as possible to try to reach midnight.
Escape Goat
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Checkmate.
Table...NO Appeal.
speculawyer
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