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UFC 196 Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz |OT| Fook The Belt feat. Ninja Shit & Touch Butt
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SketchTheArtist
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Well, if you want to test yourself to the limits, that's what you do. If you feel you've got the tools and knowledge to tackle this sort of challenge, do it and see what comes up of it.
He did, he hit a wall, he's gonna stop a bit and reassess the situation and move on.
That's what ambitious people do.
I actually don't agree with this. He still has the 145 strap, so it's not like he's getting relegated to a non main event now. Maybe it puts more pressure on him to win that next fight, but because of the way he promotes, that pressure is already there.
He actually had little to lose other than some pride. 145er goes up to 170 and loses, who would have thought.
FaintColt388301
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It's funny that people think Nate just out Jiu jitsued Connor. Yeah, he subbed him but it wasn't because Connor's ground game is weak. He subbed him because Connor was getting smacked on, lost his will and his ability, and that was his only out.
You know that Connor has a better ground game than what he displayed last night. He knows better than to give up the back and choke the way he did. But Diaz broke him down standing up and that's what gave him that choke.
You know that Connor has a better ground game than what he displayed last night. He knows better than to give up the back and choke the way he did. But Diaz broke him down standing up and that's what gave him that choke.
MetalFearSolid
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Is anyone gonna take Conor as seriously anymore?
Even the UFC has to consider taking a step back with all this Conor hype.
Silly people like Kenny Florian calling him the best since Ali, best technically sound fighter in the UFC.
Alot of people need to eat this humble pie from Conor to his fans.
Even the UFC has to consider taking a step back with all this Conor hype.
Silly people like Kenny Florian calling him the best since Ali, best technically sound fighter in the UFC.
Alot of people need to eat this humble pie from Conor to his fans.
Of course. Every fighter loses once in a while, there is no shame in that and as long as you win most of the time and do it in convincing fashion there is absolutely no problem in being seen in a good light.
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I don't think any commentator said McGregor dominated the 1st round because,well, he didn't. It was a competitive first round with McGregor getting the edge. I think as soon as people see blood they act like the fighter bleeding is getting dominated. McGregor will also have a lot more problems than just his lack of wrestling and ground game at the higher weights. Heck that will be a problem for him against Edgar, just like it was for him against Mendes until Mendes inexplicably gassed in round 2. Maybe he can pull a St. Pierre and get a very good MMA oriented wrestling, but he is not gonna be better than people who have been wrestling all their lives, just like St. Pierre was not better than Hendricks in wrestling (and IMO the fight). I also question the legitimacy of his purple or brown belt in BJJ. Having a BJJ belt is like candy these days, Evans and Rua supposedly have BJJ black belts, but we all know they are not at that level.
Also, Edgar's reaction here is the same as mine when I heard that. Dana White loves to overhype shit and Diaz is absolutely right when he says McGregor is a good fighter, but the real differential is the push he gets from the UFC. He is also right when he says the UFC will try to protect their golden goose by not giving Edgar a camp like they didn't give him one.
I think he is still delusional thinking he will be effective at 170. "I just need to know my punches are not gonna put them away like that", "I need to adjust for the bigger man", etc...defend your title a few times first. He had already had trouble with Mendes, so there are plenty of fights to do there. If he does well go up to 155 and go from there. But hey, if he wants to fight bigger guys at the bigger weight class, then go for it.
It's not about winning or losing, it's about creating the right narrative.
Let's just ignore the fact he jumped a weight class(two if im not mistaken) and despite getting wrecked the seconds before the submission, he was more than handling his own against Diaz. (Conor should have been up on the scorecards prior to the submission).
This is a humbling experience for Connor, but no reason why he won't go back to his original division and dominate, again.
FaintColt388301
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You can train jiu jitsu all day but you're not going to get very high level without years and years of time dedicated.
I was surprised how willing she was to give up her back though. She had really good defense against Honda. Thought we'd see he defend a lot better here.
I feel like fatigue played a big part in why Diaz was able to break Connor down. The Diaz bros have that ability to sense when fighters are getting tired and Connor started taking some pretty big breaths at the mid point of round 2. He stopped floating on the balls of his feet and the pop from his punches started to disappear. Nate popped him, Connor went for the "rest takedown" in hopes of landing top position for a breather.
Meccanical
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Look, the UFC has a history of promoting fighters as unbeatable, until they get beaten, and then the guy that beat the unbeatable is unbeatable.
And so on and so forth.
There will be other stars, but Conor is far from done after one catch weight bout.
Now Nate might get some more options in the future so this is good for him.
They'll spin it as a WW fight and the difference was too much, and Conor is heading back to 145 to shut up Frankie/Aldo. The loss hurts him a little, losing to Frankie or Aldo would be much worse.
Obviously his aura of greatness that he built these last two years will take a hit, but at the end of the day he went up two weight classes for this fight.
He's still the FW champ, just needed a reality check regarding his potential in other weight classes.
He will still be a draw, it's not like he was undefeated prior to his UFC run.
Haunted
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Have you watched the UFC Embedded series for 196?
They already made him look like Arnold in Pumping Iron.
Stuffing his face with food, doing his villain laugh at other fighters together with his goons, joyriding and partying... much less time spent on training and movement footage, completely different characterisation compared to past UFC Embedded series on McGregor (Boston, 189, 194). Made for good entertainment though.More people will simply realize that, yes, he is a great fighter. But they will be more quick to dismiss his circus act nonsense and over the moon Lucky Charms bullshit, as if he is some larger than life, the greatest ever fighter.
I admit that I do love Conor and enjoy seeing that stuff sometimes. But he needs to dial it back, be more serious and be more like he was in the press conference after the fight. He is so much more likable that way.
Host Samurai
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Nothing would make me happier than Tate finally murking Rhonda. It would be like Vegeta killing Frieza for me. Tate needs to keep the fight standing. She was beating Rhonda in both fights on the feet until the fight went close quarters.
Hidden One
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Ronda gonna lose to Tate thus ending her career.
If she is as careful and calculating as she was last night, I think she can finally beat Ronda. Meisha will have a different mindset and now that the book is out on Ronda, I don't think she has the mental fortitude to come back as strong. She proved to be too feeble minded after Holm sent her crashing back down to Earth.
Honestly, I think Ronda will never be the same again. She will eventually retire and probably end up doing stints for Vince in WWE, along side some horrible attempts at acting before fading away and maybe doing some occasional commentary and commercials. Just my take, but we shall see.
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the scale said 170, but he only went up 1 weight class. nate is a 155er, just neither of them had to cut any weight for the fight
you want to see him in WW, put him against woodley, lawler, wonderboy, hendricks, rory, condit, etc... the size difference will be laughable.
ronda hip tosses, miesha shoots - different defense. off her back shes a novice for sure
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's MMA - everyone loses sometimes.
slightconfuse
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Connormwill be fine he is still the champ.
Guy knows how to build a fight.
Guy knows how to build a fight.
John Dunbar
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i don't know anything about smash bros or other forms of fisticuffs, but does that roundhouse type kick thing that mcgregor did a bunch of times ever work?
mercenar1e
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thats it! thank you
That's a liiiittle disingenuous considering UFC is where most casuals (the folks who get caught up in the hype and aura) will define his career. There, he was undefeated before last night.
But yes I agree. It's not going to ruin his career at all.
hendersonhank
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Villante should just hand his check to anyone else.
It's almost like the Madden curse has jumped to the UFC.
This cover now only cracks me up. EA seems to love their sports game curses.
Rawr Its Ry
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He fought at his natural weight and didn't have to cut like at fw, it was easier on his body than other fights...but yeah he didnt have to take the fight
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LookAtMeGo
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Hey, at least I got the round right in my prediction.... tough loss for Conor, great win for Nate. Tons of respect for both of them. Good show of class at the end. Big ups to both of them. I wanted Conor to win but I'm glad Nate got the win.
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