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UK Heat Wave

I dont care about predicions, or a documentary made by a politician, but go to burgundy, bordeaux or visit any wine producer near you. Their produce is very climate dependant, and they will tell you that climate is getting more extreme.
Its not just politics, some winemakers in bordeaux lost 80% of their havest in 2021 because of late spring freeze. Burgundy had the same in 2020. 2018 was a bad year because of high temperatures all over europe.
Find someone with decades of experience in wine making and tell them climate change isnt real, they will either punch you in the face or use their wine to prove you wrong.

Dont trust people in Al Gore's documentary, and dont trust Bjørn Lomborg.
your anecdote fails to establish any sort of nexus between the actions of man and these purported changes in climate.

climate has always bee in a flux. check out the temps during the Pleistocen period, which only ended a little over 10k years ago.

again, you've failed to show any sort of causation between man and the changing climate.
 

FunkMiller

Member
No, actually I don't. In both cases you run out and buy one instead of complaining about the weather without doing anything to remedy the situation They sell portable free standing AC units that you can move from room to room so the "they won't fit in our windows" excuse won't fly.

This tells me you have no idea what the difference is between a portable heater, and a portable air conditioner.

Hint: one is a lot more efficient than the other at its job. There’s a bloody good reason proper air con keeps so much of its constituent parts out of the space you’re trying to cool. PAC units are hideously inefficient… and extremely expensive in the UK.

Heaters are cheap, reliable, easy to use and buy.
 

FunkMiller

Member
your anecdote fails to establish any sort of nexus between the actions of man and these purported changes in climate.

climate has always bee in a flux. check out the temps during the Pleistocen period, which only ended a little over 10k years ago.

again, you've failed to show any sort of causation between man and the changing climate.

Have you looked into the evidence? There’s a great deal of it that shows that our actions are having a direct and deleterious effect on our climate.
 
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Idiocracy

Member
your anecdote fails to establish any sort of nexus between the actions of man and these purported changes in climate.

climate has always bee in a flux. check out the temps during the Pleistocen period, which only ended a little over 10k years ago.

again, you've failed to show any sort of causation between man and the changing
Your post made no mention of the cause of climate change, if that was your point you should have mentioned it. Climate change is real, what we can do about it is debateable
 

Toons

Member
your anecdote fails to establish any sort of nexus between the actions of man and these purported changes in climate.

climate has always bee in a flux. check out the temps during the Pleistocen period, which only ended a little over 10k years ago.

again, you've failed to show any sort of causation between man and the changing climate.
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Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
This tells me you have no idea what the difference is between a portable heater, and a portable air conditioner.

Hint: one is a lot more efficient than the other at its job. There’s a bloody good reason proper air con keeps so much of its constituent parts out of the space you’re trying to cool. PAC units are hideously inefficient… and extremely expensive in the UK.

Heaters are cheap, reliable, easy to use and buy.
You're full of it if you think portable heaters are efficient unless you're sitting directly in front of them in a room the size of a closet but it's better than freezing while complaining that it's not cold enough often enough to buy one. Sounds to me like you just want to complain.
 

sCHOCOLATE

Member
was nice and cool this morning :D seems like temperatures are only going to keep dropping now...until next year when it'll be back. shit will be on fire again yo and we'll be no closer to doing anything about climate change. can't wait to break a new record next year. yey.
Tis not climate that is changing,
rather Earth's orbit is decaying.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Now I wanna write a sci-fi story about post-apocalyptic survivors 2000 years in the future that need to figure out how to get rid of the "evil bubble wrap God in the sky" to allow the sun to thaw a frozen earth :)
 

FunkMiller

Member
You're full of it if you think portable heaters are efficient unless you're sitting directly in front of them in a room the size of a closet but it's better than freezing while complaining that it's not cold enough often enough to buy one. Sounds to me like you just want to complain.

You literally responded to my post to complain that Texans didn’t complain about the extreme cold they had in February 2021 😂
 

FunkMiller

Member
Interesting tangential post about how moronic it is to pay any attention to any information you get on social media about climate change:

 

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You literally responded to my post to complain that Texans didn’t complain about the extreme cold they had in February 2021 😂
I didn't say they didn't complain I said they did something about it. Bought heaters, bought gas generators to power homes because the grid went down to try and stay warm unlike many of you who would rather just cry about heat and make excuses about how AC is an impossibility even a portable unit.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
You're full of it if you think portable heaters are efficient unless you're sitting directly in front of them in a room the size of a closet but it's better than freezing while complaining that it's not cold enough often enough to buy one. Sounds to me like you just want to complain.
He was addressing the relative efficiency of both, and how it is a lot easier to acquire a portable heater for cold weather than it is to acquire a portable A/C for hot weather since portable heaters are both smaller, cheaper, and quieter per unit of heat moved/generated.

They key difference is in the way they work. A portable heater merely generates heat. You don't need anything fancy for that. Just an electric current and a resistor. Hell, your gaming PC or console is a portable heater. A/C units, especially portable ones, are a different beast entirely. They don't "generate cold". They move heat. They move heat from one place to another. It takes the hot air the room, transfers the heat to part of that air, making it even hotter, then blasts that air somewhere else. Being more mechanically complicated, they cost more energy to use, are noisy, expensive, and heavier.

 

FunkMiller

Member
I didn't say they didn't complain I said they did something about it. Bought heaters, bought gas generators to power homes because the grid went down to try and stay warm unlike many of you who would rather just cry about heat and make excuses about how AC is an impossibility even a portable unit.

Your lack of understanding about how air con systems work vs how heaters work renders any further conversation about this moot. When you've lived in both hot and cold climates the differences are readily apparent.
 
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ntropy

Member
Because we have things called heat maps now available for commercial use compared to 10/15 years ago which denote a more accurate spread of a targeted temperature compared to a little sun icon or a cloud icon. But sure whatever, technology is woke too and it's all an nwo ploy to instill fear.
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daffyduck

Member
He was addressing the relative efficiency of both, and how it is a lot easier to acquire a portable heater for cold weather than it is to acquire a portable A/C for hot weather since portable heaters are both smaller, cheaper, and quieter per unit of heat moved/generated.

They key difference is in the way they work. A portable heater merely generates heat. You don't need anything fancy for that. Just an electric current and a resistor. Hell, your gaming PC or console is a portable heater. A/C units, especially portable ones, are a different beast entirely. They don't "generate cold". They move heat. They move heat from one place to another. It takes the hot air the room, transfers the heat to part of that air, making it even hotter, then blasts that air somewhere else. Being more mechanically complicated, they cost more energy to use, are noisy, expensive, and heavier.

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The portable A/C units may be less efficient, but if it's a window that doesn't accommodate a window unit, it's still better than nothing.
 

YCoCg

Member
Nobody is saying that except YOU nutjobs who believe it's a conspiracy, by all means the media have overreacted but the way some of you are turning on technology is scary, next you'll be joining the looney tunes who go around burning down 4G and 5G towers.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
The portable A/C units may be less efficient, but if it's a window that doesn't accommodate a window unit, it's still better than nothing.
Yes, I know, but that wasn't the point of the conversation. The point was the relative feasibilities of options of cooling off in extreme hot weather vs options of heating up in extreme cold weather and how moving heat around is a lot more difficult than merely generating heat.
 

ntropy

Member
Nobody is saying that except YOU nutjobs who believe it's a conspiracy, by all means the media have overreacted but the way some of you are turning on technology is scary, next you'll be joining the looney tunes who go around burning down 4G and 5G towers.
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YCoCg

Member
One thing isn't connected to the other here, do me a favour, find your nearest First Aid booklet, preferably a St Johns Ambulance First to Third edition, look up the internal human body temperature, the safety limits range, and heat stroke. Then look at the weather chart again, maybe you'll notice why it's colour coded that way.
 

Wildebeest

Member
After a quick search, I found out that this was from 1989 and the highlighted remains a completely factually accurate statement. The only major update is to say that global warming was not reversed by 2000 and that sea levels are in fact rising, in a way which actually does threaten wipe cities off the map. It is estimated that rising sea levels could cause the equivalent of tens of trillions of dollars in damage a year by the end of this century. Eco refugees, political chaos, all very real and inevitably worse in the future.
 
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Good, in the old one 22 degrees look the same as 35 which makes no fucking sense.
Well, back in the ol' days we didn't need our numbers colour coding - instinctively we just knew 35 was a higher number than 22, and that meant it was gonna be hotter. Fuck knows how, but we did - we just worked it out.

Flippancy aside, in those days our weathermen (women were deemed 'too shit' to present the weather forecast back then) were kind of minor celebs - you don't get many songs in the chart these days about Carol Kirkward for example.
 
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SirTerry-T

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Well, back in the ol' days we didn't need our numbers colour coding - instinctively we just knew 35 was a higher number that 22, and that meant it was gonna be hotter. Fuck knows how, but we did - we just worked it out.

Flippancy aside, in those days our weathermen (women were deemed 'too shit' to present the weather forecast back then) were kind of minor celebs - you don't get many songs in the chart these days about Carol Kirkward for example.
I saw a weather man on the Beeb the other day and the shabby fucker wasn't even wearing a suit. The sheer bloody nerve of the man.



End of days, broken Britain. Etc.
 

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Your lack of understanding about how air con systems work vs how heaters work renders any further conversation about this moot. When you've lived in both hot and cold climates the differences are readily apparent.
May thru September its regularly 35+° and we have at least 2 weeks of 40° heat with humidity in the 40-70 percentile range thru the entirety of summer and in the winter it gets close to freezing so kindly stfu. Keep whining about how you can't possibly do anything about your 2 days of warm weather.
 
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Well, back in the ol' days we didn't need our numbers colour coding - instinctively we just knew 35 was a higher number than 22, and that meant it was gonna be hotter. Fuck knows how, but we did - we just worked it out.

Flippancy aside, in those days our weathermen (women were deemed 'too shit' to present the weather forecast back then) were kind of minor celebs - you don't get many songs in the chart these days about Carol Kirkward for example.

Maybe she could shield us from the sun with her big jugs :D
 

Idiocracy

Member
Maybe the colour of the maps are based on the temperature range of the days forecast, that dark reds represents where temperatures will be higher.
Maybe the colourized map was made to offer a more local reflection of temperatures, compared to the old "one number per region" maps.
 
Morocco here: The heat wave is the worst the country has experienced in a long, looong time: An exceptional 49/50 degrees was registered in one of the cities, and the town I live in has been recording 40 to 45 degrees since early July. 3 straight weeks of hell, with no relief in sight.
Whether it is a new climate cycle the planet has entered, or a man-made/accelerated phenomenon...it is definitely real.
 

Kraz

Banned
Those heat domes are no joke. When a hot weather system gets locked in a region for any length of time it cooks in there.

We just got new warning protocols for the province yesterday.
The protocol lays out daytime maximum and night time minimum temperatures that would trigger the heat bulletins.
If a region is expected to exceed those ranges for two consecutive days it will trigger a heat alert, while if it is expected to last three or more days it will trigger a heat emergency.
“For example, in the Lower Mainland, a heat alert would be out if the temperature is going to be for more than two days a high of 29 C and a low of 16 C,” Farnworth said.
“Further up the valley it would be 32 C in the day and 16 C in the night, and in the Interior for example, it would be a day high of 35 C and a nighttime low of 18 C.”


The different standards for the different regions make sense to the norms and environment. Day/night too. It's good to see that nuance learned from last year.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
The heat wave is on the east coast of the US right now too, it's really hot. Not as bad as the heat wave in 2011, but probably the worst since then. I remember that heat wave, it was brutal. It was like 90+ at night, 100+ during the day and soupy humid as hell.

I always much prefer cold to heat. A lot of people hate the cold and would rather be in the heat, but not me. I respond to cold much better than I do heat. I trust Les Stroud though who says in his experience it's harder to survive in the extreme cold than in the extreme heat, and that's someone who in one of his episodes had to tap out a day early being in the desert.
 
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