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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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blazinglord

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industrian said:
302 is more than 291. It's not an absolute majority, but it's enough.
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But 291 isn't the final result. The Tories are expected to gain some more aren't they? I think the current consensus seems to be that seats of 302-306 is expected for the Tories. Whether this happens remains to be seen.
 
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MarshMellow96

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Veidt said:
Clegg better put the interest of the people before his word.
Reform, if Cameron says no. Take it to Lab.
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This is exactly how it should be.

I'm really hoping that the need for reform usurps the need for power...
 
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Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
For the non-UK people who are wondering what the hell is happening right now.

The dark lord Cameron has already amassed his dark army.

Downing Street :
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Meanwhile in Scotland:

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industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
blazinglord said:
But 291 isn't the final result. The Tories are expected to gain some more aren't they? I think the current consensus seems to be that seats of 302-306 is expected for the Tories. Whether this happens remains to be seen.
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In the same context, Labour are still expected to gain more.
 
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Xavien

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blazinglord said:
But 291 isn't the final result. The Tories are expected to gain some more aren't they? I think the current consensus seems to be that seats of 302-306 is expected for the Tories. Whether this happens remains to be seen.
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That's the same with Labour and LD, still 29 seats to be decided.
 
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blazinglord

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Xavien said:
and Conservatives need the Lib Dems to form a majority.
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If the Tories did hypothetically get the 302-306 seats expected and didn't want to go down the route of a minority government - couldn't they form a majority with the unionist parties in Northern Ireland? Or would they still fall short of a majority?
 
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Xavien

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blazinglord said:
If the Tories did hypothetically get the 302-306 seats expected and didn't want to go down the route of a minority government - couldn't they form a majority with the unionist parties in Northern Ireland? Or would they still fall short of a majority?
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They'd still fall short infact depending on how things work out, LD + Lab could have more seats (quite likely) than Conservatives + Unionists, also Labour can call upon 3 other MP's if need since they're under control of the Labour Whip.
 
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dalyr95

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Can Clegg not simply state he won't form a coalition but work on a ad-hoc basis with parties whose policies they support.

So Brown wouldn't have his coalition and with a smaller number of seats would have to resign, thereby making Cameron PM.

So on areas such as school reform Clegg can support it.
 
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industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I don't think it'd be wise for Labour or the Conservatives to take the side of a Northern Irish party. It's a political minefield that no-one in their right mind would enter.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Downing Street says: basis for deal between Labour and Lib Dems exists, with electoral reform and economic stability at its core. That they have first go. But won't speak with Nick Clegg until all results are in.

Sounds like Brown won't simply resign, that he wants to talk to the Lib Dems first, even if the Lib Dems want to talk to the Tories first.
 
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industrian

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Paxman must have finally stopped laughing and regained his composure after hearing about Galloway losing.
 
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Xavien

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dalyr95 said:
Can Clegg not simply state he won't form a coalition but work on a ad-hoc basis with parties whose policies they support.

So Brown wouldn't have his coalition and with a smaller number of seats would have to resign, thereby making Cameron PM.

So on areas such as school reform Clegg can support it.
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Not in his party or british interests to do that, hes looking to convert 22% of the vote into 22% of the seats, he cant force PR without a coalition.
 
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industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
The potential for a fallout in Scotland from a potential Labour/LD Coalition may be high. Remember, the SNP are pulling strings up here with a majority of 1-2 seats.
 
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Shanadeus

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Well I'm not disappointed with the result, not so sure if this will end up in a PR-system though - that's really all I care about at this point.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I wonder what Nick Clegg can do here.

He's expressed his wish to see what the Tories are cooking first.

Is that just to be seen to be sticking to his prior statement, however, knowing that Labour can 'force' him to deal with them first?

Afterall, what can Clegg do if Labour come knocking and say 'we want to try and form a government now'? Does he say 'no, I want to try and deal with the Tories first', and then leave himself in a position where he has no leverage vs the Tories?

Or does he keep them both talking and then decide between them?

More I think about it, the more I think his statement about Tories getting first dibs was just a face-saver wrt his prior statements. He can't close the door on Labour if they insist, otherwise he has no bargaining power vs the Tories. Methinks they'll just really be simultaneously negotiating with both.
 
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industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
"Anne Widdecombe, on the prospect of her party working with the Lib Dems: "If you're going to get out of this economic mess, you cannot do it by bargaining every five minutes." "
 
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Xavien

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industrian said:
"Anne Widdecombe, on the prospect of her party working with the Lib Dems: "If you're going to get out of this economic mess, you cannot do it by bargaining every five minutes." "
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Doesn't seem to affect Germany
 
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curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
OT: Anybody have trouble with large animated gifs in chrome?

Can't stand Anne Widdecombe
 
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Dambrosi

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Veidt said:
For the non-UK people who are wondering what the hell is happening right now.

The dark lord Cameron has already amassed his dark army.

Downing Street :
dnc6k0.jpg



Meanwhile in Scotland:

do3o9c.jpg
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That...is genius. Pure...Genius.

Actually, you just reminded me how awesome those movies are. I'll have to watch them again after I get some sleep.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Labour's been pretty clever making their overtures quietly...basically saying per that BBC report that they'll give the Lib Dems everything they want (economic agreement and vote reform).

That means that really, I think, the Tories have to match that offer if they are to 'force' the Lib Dems to be true to their word and support them as the largest party.

But if they don't, it gives ample room for the Lib Dems to say 'well, as we promised, we listened to you first as the biggest party, however your plans aren't in the national interest blah blah blah'.

Or am I being terribly lib-lab optimistic?

I guess it's possible the Lib Dems would surrender to an inferior Tory offer because of how numbers work out or so on...but...
 
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industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
To all our American friends watching Boris right now: Yes, this is the Mayor of London and this is really how he is. He's not on drugs. For real.
 
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