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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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Nicktendo86
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DECK'ARD said:
Who would have thought the party who came THIRD could have so much influence, god Labour are desperate to hang onto power.
STV isn't the most proportional system. The most accurate system is a Single National Constituency using the Largest Remainder Method with the Hare Quota.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_remainder_method
They just have to make sure that it's easy for candidates to leave their party and submit their own list - to keep party leaderships from getting too powerful - and that independents can submit lists as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_remainder_method
They just have to make sure that it's easy for candidates to leave their party and submit their own list - to keep party leaderships from getting too powerful - and that independents can submit lists as well.
never really subscribed to the brown hate, cantankerous rain cloud that he is. going out taking one for the team at a crucial moment.
i think the one thing that drives brown more than his determinism is his hatred for the tories.
whole thing makes me feel like i'm still watching starcraft 2 replays.
i think the one thing that drives brown more than his determinism is his hatred for the tories.
whole thing makes me feel like i'm still watching starcraft 2 replays.
CruxisMana
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I always feel sorry for poor Gordon. lol.
It would be a disgrace if Labour manage to hold on to power in any form. Hopefully the country will voice their outrage.
Also, I hope the government that gets into power condemns the newly announced BA strikes. Unite need to be publicly dissed and disowned as the egotistical fucks that they are.
Also, I hope the government that gets into power condemns the newly announced BA strikes. Unite need to be publicly dissed and disowned as the egotistical fucks that they are.
The Friendly Monster
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Good, it was the right decision.
Gary Whitta
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Gary Whitta said:
it all falls down so badly when you hear him speak. Rabbit in the headlights would be approprorate.
I feel sorry for Brown. He can't just resign, you need continuity of government while the others fuck about. And he's kind of old school politician. Low on media savvy but high on doing politician type stuff. I fear that after these TV debates we'll never see the likes of him again - everyone will be media trained up to the eyeballs. Thats a lose for us IMO.
Nicktendo86 said:
The Tories failed to win a majority under the rules of FPTP which they support, and obviously didn't offer enough on electoral reform to form a coalition with the Lib Dems. This is just the FPTP system operating under conditions which it failed in it's myth to 'always deliver strong and stable Government'.
Under the FPTP rules, Brown should have had the first chance at forming a coalition. Clegg went against those rules to talk to the Tories first, keeping his word about the party winning the most seats and votes having the mandate to do so first.
Cameron didn't convince enough of the electorate to win a majority in the election, and now Cameron couldn't convince the Lib Dems enough to win a coalition. No one to blame but themselves.
A second election under a different electoral system is the most positive outcome of this whole thing, that is the change this country has needed for a long time. The Tories obviously had no intention of allowing that, and now might have to live with the consequences of that decision.
I'm confused about reform.
Apparantly the city are concerned about a hung parliament, and minority governments/coalitions as it lacks stability. Surely if you move to proportional representation you'll get more of it?
regardless of other countries' systems, its not usual for this country so it may affect us badly.
I'm actually surprised that the con/lab parties would consider it. I suppose it gives them a shot at some kind of influence each parliament, in exchange for probably never again forming a majority of their own?
Apparantly the city are concerned about a hung parliament, and minority governments/coalitions as it lacks stability. Surely if you move to proportional representation you'll get more of it?
regardless of other countries' systems, its not usual for this country so it may affect us badly.
I'm actually surprised that the con/lab parties would consider it. I suppose it gives them a shot at some kind of influence each parliament, in exchange for probably never again forming a majority of their own?
louis89
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_BlizzardGary Whitta said:
Ghost said:
plus there are some with very strong ideological problems with it too, with such a wafer thin majority they might struggle.
http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/05/09/first-past-the-post-is-a-rubbish-electoral-system/
mrklaw said:
Our electoral system is designed for 2-party politics, this probably wouldn't be the last time this happened if nothing changed. It's well past it's sell-buy date because the country's politics have changed.
FPTP has been like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and this time round it just didn't fit.
The city just don't like instability, the current instability is caused because the outcome has not been what the system is meant to deliver. With a different system, the parties involved would know what to expect.
Souldriver
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So is everyone crying betraylton just because the concept of a coalition and making compromises is foreign and dirty to UKers? Because no matter what platform a candidate/party is running in the elections, after the election itself there always has to be found a middle ground between the governing parties. This means giving up on some campaign promises and working together with the people you've fought against the day before.
Or am I really missing something, and is there a huuuuuuuuuuuuge betrayal of fundamental principles / plain lying going on?
Or am I really missing something, and is there a huuuuuuuuuuuuge betrayal of fundamental principles / plain lying going on?
APZonerunner
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Brown stepping down to allow a Lib/Lab colation to form more easily:
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gofreak said:
I must confess that I find this option difficult to square with 'strong and stable' bit. And with the respecting the will of the electorate bit.
Clegg is, it seems, stuck between two poisoned chalices.
One thing's for sure, we are in for an interesting week or so.
Another thing's for sure - this is going to be a heck of a big thread, and I bet everything interesting happens to coincide with NPD figures.
killer_clank
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DECK'ARD said:
This.
Souldriver
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I know. But not if you have a Hung Parliament, which you have. Compromises are not a dirty practice. It's taking responsibility because only by doing that the formation of a government is possible. Politicians have to work with the cards given to them by the voters.Jexhius said:
Gary Whitta
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Again with the "second unelected prime minister" stuff? Really, BBC?
Souldriver
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I know. But that doesn't make the word "betraylton" justified, unless I'm missing something. Just because coalition governments and all the things surrounding it are foreign to British voters, doesn't mean that it's also a dirty thing and politicians involved are traitors. They themselves didn't want a hung parliament either and just have to work with what they've got, and besides, having a coalition government shouldn't be a bad thing. But when people keep having this mindset of coalitions being icky and weak, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.Jexhius said:
killer_clank
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BBC are doing a 'recap' of Brown's career. Wonder how long they had that one ready for? :lol :lol
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