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[Varion]

I know. But that doesn't make the word "betraylton" justified, unless I'm missing something. Just because coalition governments and all the things surrounding it are foreign to British voters, doesn't mean that it's also a dirty thing and politicians involved are traitors. They themselves didn't want a hung parliament either and just have to work with what they've got, and besides, having a coalition government shouldn't be a bad thing. But when people keep having this mindset of coalitions being icky and weak, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not really seeing that many people calling it a massive betrayal at the moment, I think a lot of us have taken more realistic view on what's happening as it's gone on. There are some, but the majority of them seem to be focusing almost entirely on PR. If an agreement without PR is reached, Clegg's "selling out" is how a lot of people are seeing it.

Personally I'd accept either outcome at this point, it's just fascinating to watch where this is going and wonder how it'll turn out. At the very least an agreement with the Lib Dems would likely water down some of the worst parts of the Conservative manifesto.

 

[Gary Whitta]

BBC are doing a 'recap' of Brown's career. Wonder how long they had that one ready for? :lol :lol

Probably since before the results came in, no different to keeping obituaries on file.

 

[APZonerunner]

Nick Robinson is a tory supporter.

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

 

[killer_clank]

Dimbleby's having a programme at 8:30.

 

[kitch9]

Again with the "second unelected prime minister" stuff? Really, BBC?

They have a point. The vast majority of votes cast in the election were for the party leaders and not the local MP as it really is.

Most of the voters would not have a fucking clue who the local MP they were voting for was until they looked at their ballot paper! :lol

We don't have a presidential system but a lot of the great unwashed in this country treat it as one...

 

[Xavien]

So Libdems are going to start formal talks with Labour, i told you guys, i fucking told you

 

[fizzelopeguss]

I don't like all this wheeling and dealing, it's bullshit. And brown is a fucking hard faced bastard.

 

[sohois]

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

While the BBC is independant, their employees are free to support who they like so long as it doesn't affect how they report for the Beeb.

 

[gofreak]

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

Just listening to him on BBC in the last half hour, he sounded like he was going to explode.

It actually made me wonder if he was a BBC reporter or commentator, because 'the tory' in him was shining through very brightly today. I'd wondered before but it was super obvious today.

 

[Jex]

I don't like all this wheeling and dealing, it's bullshit. And brown is a fucking hard faced bastard.

It's a hung parliament. If no deals are wheeled, the country stays at gridlock. Then, the rest of the country collapses like a house of cards.

Checkmate.

 

[Wes]

Guys let's get our priorities in order.


















Rooney will be fit for the WC.

 

[UnblessedSoul]

Just listening to him on BBC in the last half hour, he sounded like he was going to explode.

It actually made me wonder if he was a BBC reporter or commentator, because 'the tory' in him was shining through very brightly today. I'd wondered before but it was super obvious today.

Lol yes! hearing him yesterday, "oh the con-lib deal will be wrapped up quickly and Cameron will have the keys to number 10" He must feel like an idiot now

 

[Rich!]

Gordon Brown's a cunt, thank god he's leaving. :lol

 

[NekoFever]

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

Everyone has preferences and no one is completely neutral, so given that I'd prefer to know their preferred party if they're going to be giving me the news.

 

[Chinner]

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

He the was chairman of the Young Conservatives back when Thatcher was in power, and as others have said his reports are pretty biased.

 

[CruxisMana]

Someone needs to punch William Hague in the face.

 

[Xavien]

I have to say Brown had his timing down fucking perfect over this past weekend.

 

[jamieson87]

Great news IMO.

I think Gordon has handled himself very well over the course of the talks. I respect him for what he did today.

Dave Milliband for leader.

 

[Jex]

Some people's biases are as well hidden as a forum-poster's.

 

[phisheep]

Nick Clegg's position (with a wonderful impersonation of Brown towards the beginning):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS75NtlH3gI

 

[jamieson87]

I definatly took the wrong day off work. Friday was shit compared to today.

 

[dr_octagon]

Is he? I'm surprised this information is in the open?

Well Huw, the real question is 'where's the tory, in balamory, wouldn't we like to know?' and I think the answer is clear. Tory support in Scotland is, at best, minimal and voting for them is a foreign concept. This isn't helped by some politicians continuing to deny the existance of any area outside of Westminster. But politics aside, what people really want to know is how did I manage to get a job at the BBC?

Back to you, Huw.

 

[Xavien]

Robinson once again trying to turn this into a presidential election.

 

[D4Danger]

Dear Nick Robinson

YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THE PM YOU STUPID PRICK

 

[MarshMellow96]

They have a point. The vast majority of votes cast in the election were for the party leaders and not the local MP as it really is.

Why the fuck isn't anyone even attempting to clear this up? I could probably answer that myself actually...

I think that there is air on Moon because that's the general opinion and not how it is.. :lol

 

[electroshockwave]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Blizzard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(singer)

 

[DECK'ARD]

The Conservative party is going to tear itself apart

 

[Chinner]

did the bbc report just end with a nick Clegg looking stupid?

 

[jamieson87]

The Conservative party is going to tear itself apart

I'm heading home from work, not seen any tv.

Have they responded yet?

 

[killer_clank]

I'm heading home from work, not seen any tv.

Have they responded yet?

Nope. I'd imagine they're shitting themselves though.

 

[CruxisMana]

did the bbc report just end with a nick Clegg looking stupid?

Yes. Yes it did.

 

[Chinner]

Yes. Yes it did.

oh bbc you cheeky rascal.

 

[Gary Whitta]

They have a point. The vast majority of votes cast in the election were for the party leaders and not the local MP as it really is.

Most of the voters would not have a fucking clue who the local MP they were voting for was until they looked at their ballot paper! :lol

We don't have a presidential system but a lot of the great unwashed in this country treat it as one...

Well having presidential-style debates certainly didn't help. We had the perception of a presidential election so when the results don't reflect that

Spoiler

stupid

people get confused/annoyed.

 

[kitch9]

Dear Nick Robinson

YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THE PM YOU STUPID PRICK

MOST PEOPLE DO, THERE'S NOT MANY WHO TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS..

 

[Gary Whitta]

The Conservative party is going to tear itself apart

Yeah they've got to be in full meltdown right now. Cameron can't survive this, can he?

 

[Chinner]

Footage of Adam Boulton getting all angry at Campbell
http://www.twitvid.com/MSJH1
:lol :lol

 

[Gary Whitta]

MOST PEOPLE DO, THERE'S NOT MANY WHO TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS..

I don't see how it can be that confusing. Unless you happen to live in the constituency in which the party leader is standing you'll never see their name on the ballot the way you do a Presidential candidate, just the name of your local candidate. How can people be confused about this? And it's not like we haven't had "unelected" PMs in recent memory; Brown, Major, etc...

 

[CruxisMana]

The BBC is going to kill Dimbleby.

 

[killer_clank]

Yeah they've got to be in full meltdown right now. Cameron can't survive this, can he?

If he doesn't become PM, he'll probably be forced out. Cons are ruthless like that. Of course, now, he could be willing to give out more concessions to the Lib Dems, which could of course be why Nick Clegg announced they would open formal talks with Labour.

 

[Xavien]

The Conservative party is going to tear itself apart

Remember when i said all it would take is a bit of stress and the cracks would resurface?

Well i think we'll see just how cohesive the Tories are, because they're looking down at the abyss and i cant see them doing anything but breaking at the prospect of losing this government.

Whats even worse is, if a Lib-Lab-Rainbow coalition works, the Tories may very well not be in power again, they have to be shitting themselves.

 

[D4Danger]

MOST PEOPLE DO, THERE'S NOT MANY WHO TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS..

so? It's not how it works. you don't vote for a PM. If they don't understand that it doesn't change the rules.

And we're talking about a BBC political journalist here. He knows how it works so he needs to stop saying people didn't vote for Brown because it's wrong.

 

[Gary Whitta]

If he doesn't become PM, he'll probably be forced out. Cons are ruthless like that. Of course, now, he could be willing to give out more concessions to the Lib Dems, which could of course be why Nick Clegg announced they would open formal talks with Labour.

He's fucked either way. Either talks break down, Tories end up with nothing and he becomes the guy who botched what was seen as a shoe-in election, or he gives away the store to get the LDs on board and becomes hated by grass-roots, party elders etc.

 

[kitch9]

Well having presidential-style debates certainly didn't help. We had the perception of a presidential election so when the results don't reflect that

Spoiler

stupid

people get confused/annoyed.

I know how the system works and to be fair when I voted I couldn't give a fuck about my local MP, I voted for the leader who said shit I agree with.

It is pissing me off that we may be having a second PM who hasn't really been chosen by the public......Semantics aside, the PM has not been chosen by the public simple as that.

I agree with some of Labours stuff, but I think they've been frivolous with the nations money. I can't stand Brown and I'm glad he's fucking off, just wish it would be sooner TBH.

 

[Wes]

From Guardian Live Blog:

6.22pm: This is important. Nick Clegg has just been on Sky welcoming Brown's announcement. And he has given what seems to me to be a very clear signal that he would prefer to strike a deal with Labour.

Gordon Brown has made an important announcement today. It must have been a very difficult thing for him to say personally but I think he has taken it in the national interest and I think his announcement could be be an important element in the smooth transition towards a stable government that people deserve, without of course prejudice and without predicting what the outcome of the talks will be between ourselves and the Labour party.

 

[gofreak]

Footage of Adam Boulton getting all angry at Campbell
http://www.twitvid.com/MSJH1
:lol :lol

WOW, lol. People are really starting to drop the charade, this news has brought peoples' true colours out.

 

[killer_clank]

He's fucked either way. Either talks break down, Tories end up with nothing and he becomes the guy who botched what was seen as a shoe-in election, or he gives away the store to get the LDs on board and becomes hated by grass-roots, party elders etc.

This is a good point, although I reckon they'd simply have to be wlling to go far-ish, because if they don't, they might never form a government again.

 

[Xavien]

I know how the system works and to be fair when I voted I couldn't give a fuck about my local MP, I voted for the leader who said shit I agree with.

It is pissing me off that we may be having a second PM who hasn't really been chosen by the public......Semantics aside, the PM has not been chosen by the public simple as that.

I agree with some of Labours stuff, but I think they've been frivolous with the nations money. I can't stand Brown and I'm glad he's fucking off, just wish it would be sooner TBH.

That's what you thought, that isn't how it works though. Can't blame Labour for adhering to the rules.

 

[MarshMellow96]

MOST PEOPLE DO.

Not really an excuse though, is it?

 

[GarthVaderUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbOhq1q07Y

"Don't tell me what I think!"

:lol :lol :lol

 

[danwarb]

I know how the system works and to be fair when I voted I couldn't give a fuck about my local MP, I voted for the leader who said shit I agree with.

It is pissing me off that we may be having a second PM who hasn't really been chosen by the public......Semantics aside, the PM has not been chosen by the public simple as that.

I agree with some of Labours stuff, but I think they've been frivolous with the nations money. I can't stand Brown and I'm glad he's fucking off, just wish it would be sooner TBH.

Well 64% of us voted for someone other than Cameron. It doesn't seem unreasonable that the leader of the biggest party in any coalition, should be the PM.