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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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LabouredSubterfuge

LabouredSubterfuge

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FabCam said:
No evidence?! Reaganomics, and to a lesser extent the whole American situation, proves otherwise. You're ill-informed about what supply side is. It does not mean that suddenly education and health lose funding. It means that privatization replaces clunky, inefficient government controlled foundations. It means that people are encouraged to work instead of living off welfare. It means taxes can be cut, allowing more people to spend their own damn money. Surely you cannot deny that you know how best to spend your own money?!
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My word sir. I don't know what to say. I don't think I need to. You've just destroyed yourself. It's like you teleported your opinions from the mid 80's and think they still count.

Oh, and PLEEEAAASSSEE start quoting Friedman.
 
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sohois

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Question:

Did anyone have change their votes based on tonight's debate? Anyone go from undecided to picking a party to vote for, and anyone who were goning to vote for one party but changed to another?
 
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sohois

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Nick Clegg was the runaway winner of the first televised debate between party leaders in British political history, according to a special online poll by Populus for The Times.

A massive three-fifths of those questioned ( 61 per cent) said Mr Clegg was the winner of the debate. This compared with 22 per cent naming David Cameron and 17 per cent Gordon Brown.

The poll, of more than 620 voters after the debate ended, will electrify the campaign by raising Mr Clegg’s public profile among many voters who previously did not know much about him. In their instant reaction, two-thirds of those questioned said the debate would make a difference to their views of the campaign. This includes a high number of don’t knows and floating voters who may change their votes.

After the debate some 41 per cent say they would most like to see Mr Clegg as Prime minister, against 36 per cent for Mr Cameron and 23 per cent for Mr Brown.

As many as 68 per cent say it makes them more likely to vote for the Liberal Democrats, against 9 per cent less likely.

The Tories will be concerned that more say the debate will make them less likely rather than more likely to vote for the party, by a margin of 39 to 29 per cent.

Mr Brown and Labour are the clear losers, with 43 per cent saying it makes them less likely to vote for the party and 20 per cent more likely.
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Populus poll for the Times has Clegg as clear winner once again, but this one shows how the parties vote share may be affected. Good news for Lib dems, and a big step towards a hung parliament.
 
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Linkified

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sohois said:
Question:

Did anyone have change their votes based on tonight's debate? Anyone go from undecided to picking a party to vote for, and anyone who were goning to vote for one party but changed to another?
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Well I know who I'm not voting for and that is Lib Dem and Labour, its now do I waste my vote on an Independent or do I go Tory.
 
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Varion

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sohois said:
As many as 68 per cent say it makes them more likely to vote for the Liberal Democrats, against 9 per cent less likely.
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Wow, surprisingly high.

Can only hope it shows on polling day.
 
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Wes

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Still three weeks away.

Clegg will have a certain level of expectation going into the next two debates now. Got to keep it up.
 
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avaya

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FabCam said:
Please negate my facts. Oh wait, you can't because...y'know, they're facts.
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Jesus christ.

Real Wages decreased. Fact. http://www.mindcontagion.org/html/real_wages.html
The cut in tax rates saw massive falls in government revenue which causes the red line to EXPLODE. Government revenue was not recouped after adjusting for inflation. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf#page=29. Laffer curve is BS.

Unemployment rate reductions looked so impressive because at that point unemployment was at the highest since the great depression. The recovery post 82 was a cyclical and not structural.

Deregualtion of the Financial Services Sector began. I work in this industry. You do not fucking do this. You absolutely do not fucking do this. People like me will fuck the world up if you do this. That is what happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis

and 2007 Credit Crisis since Greenspan just expanded on deregulation.

Get a fucking clue, you are embarrassing yourself. The facts are very much not on your side.
 
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Omikaru

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Parl

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FabCam said:
That's because he had to fix the broken public sector that he inherited. But yeah sure, ignore the fact that unemployment decreased, inflation decreased, interest rates declined, average income increased etc.

I also find it quite shocking that some people still believe the nanny government know best. Look how that turned out over the past 13 years!
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I'd advise you to widen the sources of the information you gather.

Just a few points. Public services don't necessarily mean nanny state. IMO, UK public services are too centralised, but privatisation is not the answer overall.

Our NHS isn't as efficient as the healthcare systems of many other nationals with national healthcare, but going to your example of the US, they have a terribly inefficient system, where 2.5 times as much is spent per person on healthcare than what we spend here in the UK, and the outcomes are actually worse. Now I put some of that down to lifestyle differences, but Britain isn't exactly good with nutrition and exercise, so I think it's fair to say that it's just a product of the open, free-market system that there is in the US. The system is heavily fragmented, doesn't benefit from the economies of scale that our health service or other around the world do, and has profit as the priority at many levels of the system - hospitals, insurance, and mostly, drug companies.

The NHS takes out two of those profit-driven enterprises, and tames the other with its bargaining power. The NHS needs improving, but it's a good service, and 100 years ahead of the US healthcare system in terms of structure.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
Anyone got viewing figures?

Portillo just said he heard 6m. 12m was the lower estimate to as many as 20m.
 
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defel

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Haha Andrew Neil is laying into James Purnell and the Lib Dem woman and giving Michael Portilo a free ride.

edit: there are probably plenty of people who are taking very close looks at China but for a politician for openly say that China are suspicious and untrustworthy is a diplomatic disaster.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
I thought he was bashing on the Lib Dem woman a bit at the end. Think he got a bit fed up with her earlier answer that she had nothing bad to say about Clegg tonight.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
lopaz said:
They're just a full on Labour propaganda machine at this point
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The funny thing is most of the commentators on their site are Lib Dem supporters from the looks of things.
 
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blazinglord

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Parl said:
I'd advise you to widen the sources of the information you gather.

Just a few points. Public services don't necessarily mean nanny state. IMO, UK public services are too centralised, but privatisation is not the answer overall.

Our NHS isn't as efficient as the healthcare systems of many other nationals with national healthcare, but going to your example of the US, they have a terribly inefficient system, where 2.5 times as much is spent per person on healthcare than what we spend here in the UK, and the outcomes are actually worse. Now I put some of that down to lifestyle differences, but Britain isn't exactly good with nutrition and exercise, so I think it's fair to say that it's just a product of the open, free-market system that there is in the US. The system is heavily fragmented, doesn't benefit from the economies of scale that our health service or other around the world do, and has profit as the priority at many levels of the system - hospitals, insurance, and mostly, drug companies.

The NHS takes out two of those profit-driven enterprises, and tames the other with its bargaining power. The NHS needs improving, but it's a good service, and 100 years ahead of the US healthcare system in terms of structure.
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I'm not advocating a completely private healthcare system in this country, but you're being misleading to suggest that the outcome of the American healthcare system is worse. If you can afford it, the healthcare available in the states is far superior than what one gets from the NHS here.

Personally I'd like to see the NHS offer the basics that keep people alive and for extras, people could pay to get better premium services. The money charged from the premium services could into improving the basic services and life-saving drugs. I think Tony Blair mooted an idea similar to this but it was opposed by left-wingers in his party.
 
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radioheadrule83

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Dark Machine said:
Andrew Neil is Tory to the Bone, he loves Ulrika I see though.
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So did I until she revealed that she was swayed by the American-style address Cameron delivered for his closing statement.

blazinglord said:
I'm not advocating a completely private healthcare system in this country, but you're being misleading to suggest that the outcome of the American healthcare system is worse. If you can afford it, the healthcare available in the states is far superior than what one gets from the NHS here.
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What the fuck? You're comparing apples and oranges and not referring back to the original point people were making... which is that we pay less per capita than our American cousins and we all have basic health coverage, and a service to count on for life. We are not milked by pharmas and insurance companies anywhere near as badly as they are.

Surely you can't believe there's any validity in comparing private American healthcare to the British public national health system -- a better comparison would be private American healthcare (and insurance) with private hospitals, and schemes like BUPA or Medicash
 
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Wes

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Chinner said:
If the editor tells them to write pro-labour, they basically have to.
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I meant the people (of the public) who write in the CIF section/boards of blogs or opinion pieces on the Guardian.
 
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jas0nuk

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Hardcore Tory Voter checking in. Missed the debate since I was at work but I've watched, read and listened to analysis.
Clegg definitely won, Cameron came 2nd, Brown last.

ITV poll:
Clegg 43
Cameron 26
Brown 20

YouGov:
Clegg 51
Cameron 29
Brown 19

Angus Reid:
Clegg 46
Cameron 21
Brown 19
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Clegg did very well and exceeded expectations. Well done to him for trying to separate himself from the very shameless attempts at lovebombing from Brown "I agree with Nick, and he agrees with me on this..."
Cameron was fine but looked rattled. He wasn't aggressive enough, but he got better as time went on. Will be watching very carefully.
Brown was as bad as expected, very awkward to watch.

I suspect the next polls will show a Lib Dem surge of at least 3 points at the expense of Tories+Labour. Hung parliament probability increases.

Is there an authoritative source of the viewing figures yet?
 
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radioheadrule83

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jas0nuk said:
Is there an authoritative source of the viewing figures yet?
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They'll come out tomorrow. Might be in the early morning press.

I'm wondering how they'll measure it. Old neilson-style ratings or Sky/Cable set top box figures - that sort of thing...

8 million watched Nick Griffin on Question Time, so I'm expecting it will be above that number and not the 6 million Portillo suggested earlier tonight

Dreading how the 'campaigning' papers like The Sun, The Mirror and The Daily Mail will report it.
 
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Gary Whitta

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Reading some of the UK political message boards (not this one) it's amazing, and a bit frightening, how much they read like the "From the Message Boards" parody in Private Eye :lol
 
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Varion

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So much love for Nick in the papers.

Except for the Mail and the Sun, obviously. Even the Mirror is forced to grudgingly admit the awesome. The Times picture :lol

Edit: Actually, just saw the little bit at the top of the Mail's. Colour me surprised.
 
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jas0nuk

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Dark Machine said:
QT Panel: "Everyone got the recession wrong!"

err...this man didn't
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“Volcanic Ash Troubles the World”
Labour gives the ash benefits and a council house.
The Conservatives vow to remove bureaucracy, quangos and the ash.
The BNP says there is too much volcanic ash in the country and they must go back.
The Green Party says that the ash fails to meet environmental laws.
UKIP says we have to leave Europe to get rid of the ash.
SNP says the ash allows them to exert force on Westminster to get "a better deal for Scotland"
The French surrender to the ash.
The Americans eat the ash.
The Lib Dems stay Vince Cable predicted this 10 years ago.
 
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Varion

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jas0nuk said:
“Volcanic Ash Troubles the World”
Labour gives the ash benefits and a council house.
The Conservatives vow to remove bureaucracy, quangos and the ash.
The BNP says there is too much volcanic ash in the country and they must go back.
The Green Party says that the ash fails to meet environmental laws.
UKIP says we have to leave Europe to get rid of the ash.
SNP says the ash allows them to exert force on Westminster to get "a better deal for Scotland"
The French surrender to the ash.
The Americans eat the ash.
The Lib Dems stay Vince Cable predicted this 10 years ago.
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:lol :lol :lol

I love this post.
 
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Mr. Luchador

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Some OK headlines, then the Sun and the Mail go for the homerun with the

PARALYSED BY ASH

Headline, in big bold shit your pants inducing black letters of doom - awesome.
 
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Walshicus

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Jesus fucking Christ, how did anyone think Cameron came out of that well? I mean the fear in his eyes when they started talking about his taking cash out of the economy etc... dayum.
 
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SmokyDave

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Really enjoyed the debate last night, Clegg performed beyond expectation and appears to have ignited some interest in the election. Wasn't surprised to see the poll results.

Sir Fragula said:
Jesus fucking Christ, how did anyone think Cameron came out of that well? I mean the fear in his eyes when they started talking about his taking cash out of the economy etc... dayum.
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Yup. The 'True Blues' at my workplace have been scoffing at my admiration for Clegg and telling me that only Cameron came out of the debate looking good. Reality doesn't affect these people and their voting habits are based on an unflinching reflex.
 
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Lucius86

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SmokyDave said:
Yup. The 'True Blues' at my workplace have been scoffing at my admiration for Clegg and telling me that only Cameron came out of the debate looking good. Reality doesn't affect these people and their voting habits are based on an unflinching reflex.
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Isn't that the same for the 'True Reds' and the 'True Yellows'? Some people will always have their goggles on, and will always support the same team.

I clearly need to re-watch the debate, because I thought Cameron didn't do that badly at all, and thought Clegg was a bit unprofessional - but with all the praise for Clegg so far, I must have been distracted thanks to my gf nattering to me all the way through.
 
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defel

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I think that debate was purely damage limitation for Cameron, so much to lose, no huge positives but no huge negatives either. I feel sorry for Brown because this is clearly not his arena and its not fair to expect a politician or a stateman to be able to do the whole tv thing. Clegg had the least to lose and as such came across as the most relaxed and the most genuine. All being said I actally thought that all three of them faired well. None of them embarrased themselves, they were all "presentable". Live TV, millions of people watching, so much on the line; Im admiring of the fact that they did it! I certainly wouldn't.
 
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