Coriolanus
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Is not about learning, m8. Same way with keeping a penalty of up to 7 years in prison for having lsd, mushrooms or mdma in your person. Is about not wanting to piss off your constituents and Fuck Those Other Guys.
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UK PoliGAF |OT3| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos!
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Is not about learning, m8. Same way with keeping a penalty of up to 7 years in prison for having lsd, mushrooms or mdma in your person. Is about not wanting to piss off your constituents and Fuck Those Other Guys.
BBC: UK state pension age increase from 67 to 68 to be brought forward by seven years to 2037, government says
Doesn't it feel great to fund a quality of pension our generation will never receive? And then have those same pensioners vote against us and our future employment prospects?
Doesn't it feel great to fund a quality of pension our generation will never receive? And then have those same pensioners vote against us and our future employment prospects?
By the time I retire it will be 70+
JonathanEx
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Don't worry, retirement will be outlawed before we reach it
Theonik
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I don't worry too much about the state pension/retirement tbh. Always found retirement plans to be a form of theft from employees. I've managed to secure a much better income than a retirement plan would be able to give me when I retired than what I'll get from the amount I'm forced to contribute. For most employees, you will never get all of that money back!
(I.E. for every pound of pension contribution you might get say 70p back whereas the same money on a good investment portfolio will be collected with a nice compounding profit without having to worry about not living long enough to get it back)
(I.E. for every pound of pension contribution you might get say 70p back whereas the same money on a good investment portfolio will be collected with a nice compounding profit without having to worry about not living long enough to get it back)
Camp Freddie
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Yeah, people attacked Farron because he thought gay sex was morally wrong and/or refused to explain why he believed this - while campaigning to be the leader of the country. I don't think it matters why he thought that.
I'm pretty sure that if an atheist like Nick Clegg refused to say that gay sex was okay then he would have been be equally criticised (and probably more so).
To flip his argument from the Indie article:
"So, if you wear funky garb, have nice colourful festivals, have interesting nightclubs and comedy shows, then we are absolutely fine about your homosexuality in fact your gay culture makes us more diverse and allows me to define myself as very liberal and tolerant by demonstrating how cool I am with your homosexuality.
However the moment you show any signs of actually fucking in this way, of thinking that this stuff about loving another guy might even be true or that this sexuality might in any way impact on your conscience or your life choices... well, we don't like that one bit."
Theonik
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Existing pensioners aren't affected. Of course the 50 year olds that are still Tories are and that will hurt them. But they've convinced an entire generation that the country as a whole requires fucking for the greater good.You wonder if it makes sense for the Tories to push back the retirement age when pensioners are the only group who will vote for them
Royal_Phalanx
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Absolutely disgusting, when will Conservatives learn that under funding and punishment alone will only make things much worse?
On an unrelated note people are starting to suspect the Tories have been paying for retweets on some of their tweets due to a few suspect things. Another thing they won't learn it seems in how to actually reach out to people. I can only imagine what a load of faux organic shit they are going to put out when they start their anti momentum initiative.
All those messed up young people who leave those institutions and are walking around in society isn't going to end well for society and for potential victims of those people. They're likely more messed up than before they came in because of the bullying and violence they've faced and had to defend themselves from.
Dying on some factory line. My body gets dumped and I get replaced with another dude a few years younger.
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I'm okay with my retirement age being 68. I mean, my job is purely intellectual and requires no physical work, and my life expectancy is about 84 from morbidly looking at some actuarial tables. Retire at 68, and nearly fifth of my life is spent in retirement.
What I worry about is people who work jobs that require any kind of physical effort, and people from socially disadvantaged backgrounds with correspondingly lower expectancies. If I'm a docks worker in Glasgow, my life expectancy is 71 and I probably won't be able to do my job much after my 50s anyway.
There needs to be some kind of nuance put into the system to respect these differences.
What I worry about is people who work jobs that require any kind of physical effort, and people from socially disadvantaged backgrounds with correspondingly lower expectancies. If I'm a docks worker in Glasgow, my life expectancy is 71 and I probably won't be able to do my job much after my 50s anyway.
There needs to be some kind of nuance put into the system to respect these differences.
Theonik
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Greece had a system like that going with certain professions classified as unhealthy given lower retirement ages but that's not much long for this world.
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It has the same trouble as any other non-universal benefit, people not on it tend to be less inclined to defend it though in Greece's case it was deemed unnecessary by their creditors so slightly different case I suppose. Though I want to say that generally speaking part of the issue is that there is a lot of people that don't view pensions as a result of contributions, which it is. It's not a 'hand-out'. Personally I can't feel any sympathy for anyone here who supports scrapping the triple lock that complains about the pension age being raised.
anonymous_abc
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Who could have possibly seen this coming. I am shocked.
anonymous_abc
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Or you will end up with lots of people living in poverty. I would not count on automation or a generous state to save you in retirement.
It is entirely possible that all (most of) the fruits of automation and AI will come to those at the top already.
I really feel like it's always the same. Every single time.
Corbyn: Austerity is bad!
May: You need a healthy economy and you only get it with DA CONSERVATIVVZZZ!!!
Corbyn: But more people live in poverty than before!
May: But we made jobs!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243YZJXeUO4&t=386s
Corbyn: Austerity is bad!
May: You need a healthy economy and you only get it with DA CONSERVATIVVZZZ!!!
Corbyn: But more people live in poverty than before!
May: But we made jobs!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243YZJXeUO4&t=386s
Dirtyshubb
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Having legitimate arguments just isn't enough when the Tories are allowed to spew lies and twisted half truths for every answer to the tough questions.
Logic: 'we have more people in poverty and struggling than ever'
Tories: 'but we introduced the living wage and have created lots of jobs'
Logic: 'do you not fucking get it, people with jobs are still having to go to food banks. Giving someone a job isn't a get out clause when they are still struggling to live.'
CyclopsRock
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Presumably it isn't the law that requires trans people to currently undergo tests but rather their doctors?
Roberto Larcos
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Aren't because of an inability, or lack of foresight?
Lack of foresight
The state pension age has to go a lot higher until that's true. A lot higher
JonnyDBrit
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Sacrifice implies it was willing and that those affected considered it acceptable. But as my mother put it some years ago (as best I recall anyway), she would have been fine if it was a cut to her pension or a freeze on her pay or a increase on her contributions; making it all three was where it got ridiculous.
Theonik
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Will be 80 by the time they retire. 60 years of well invested savings is much better than the state pension will do. Most people are never getting close to the money they put in relatively speaking.
Oh I see what you're saying. Yes, I'd rather have the money myself for my own planning rather than relying on the government to do a bad job with my money.
Are you saying we should do away with the state pension altogether? What about the bad eggs?
I think Theonik was being sarcastic and making a point how pensions relative value has decreased for younger people.
So here's the thing. The unpleasant truth most people don't like hearing.
The vast, vast majority of the population are extremely bad at managing their own money, planning for the future, and judging risk. Like, *terribly* bad. And unfortunately the worse off your situation the worse that is. So whilst it makes a great sound bite 'we believe you know what to do with your money best, not the government' it's actually completely wrong.
So whilst you personally might be better off managing your own money, most people won't be and need the state pension. And that means we all have to pay into it, not just those who might need it.
Think I've gotten confused and quoted the wrong post, sorry - but at least we're in agreement! ;-)
Theonik
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I think Theonik is an enigma, his posts provoke thought and discussion, they're awesome like that!Hah, I thought Theonik was being serious for exactly the same reason
The state can't be relied on no, but for many people that isn't really a choice - you only get so much money in your salary every month!
Well ultimately its a bit of both, but much more the former.
I would assume the majority of people in their 20's pay more towards their student loan every month then they do their pension
(I have no evidence for this whatsoever btw, just think it is likely what is happening. Would be very happy to be told this is wrong!)
We have to live within our means, if some people have to die so that we can avoid raising taxes then that's a fair trade off.
Bony Manifesto
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"We recognise their sacrifice...."
Lots of telling changes in dialogue, very little positivity from leavers now they are expected to deliver it.
PJV3
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It probably ends up costing more to be an arse, isn't the return to work stuff costing more than it saves?
Guess we know now which century Leadsom is from.
JonathanEx
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You know, people knock Andrea Leadsom a lot, but it's nice to see the misguided confidence of an average white man doesn't have to be limited to one gender.
CyclopsRock
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The ONS says...
Also it seems - courtesy of Reddit, where I'm just ripping this off from - that the homicide rate has gone up 26% but over half that increase is thanks to the Hilsborough deaths being recorded as manslaughter now. I think the stats are a bit muggy.
MUGGY.
Edit: Also...
Pied off.
Also it seems - courtesy of Reddit, where I'm just ripping this off from - that the homicide rate has gone up 26% but over half that increase is thanks to the Hilsborough deaths being recorded as manslaughter now. I think the stats are a bit muggy.
MUGGY.
Edit: Also...
Pied off.
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