JonnyDBrit
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Like say... £1.5 billion?
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UK PoliGAF |OT3| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos!
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Like say... £1.5 billion?
Austerity is basically Cameron's legacy at this point. That and leaving the EU. It's part of why I can't stand George Osborne's smugness - a lot of why the Tories, and the country, are in trouble at this point is his doing, and he doesn't care as long as he gets to publish funny pictures of the woman who sacked him.
Dirtyshubb
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At this point I have no sympathy for any Conservative MP, every single one of them have been part of the worst British government in recent times.
They have been there smiling and cheering as they condemn thousands of disabled people to die when forced back to work. There when Austerity has almost broken every single major public service around, all with the immediate selling off of NHS buildings about to arrive.
All the stuff they have and continue to do has been supported by every MP in that party and I dont think I could ever forgive them. This isnt slightly disagreeing with someones favourite film but you let it slide because its not a big deal, we are talking about policies that result in suffering and death yet nothing gets in their way of party over country.
They have been there smiling and cheering as they condemn thousands of disabled people to die when forced back to work. There when Austerity has almost broken every single major public service around, all with the immediate selling off of NHS buildings about to arrive.
All the stuff they have and continue to do has been supported by every MP in that party and I dont think I could ever forgive them. This isnt slightly disagreeing with someones favourite film but you let it slide because its not a big deal, we are talking about policies that result in suffering and death yet nothing gets in their way of party over country.
JonathanEx
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I have some respect for Andrea Leadsom's ability to have the same confidence of a mediocre white male who doesn't know what the actual limit of their abilities is. Like, it's that same confidence of 'I can do this' as the legendary Gove vs the Aliens.
Obviously that respect goes completely under the 'don't treat running the country like a fucking game' principle, but yeah.
Obviously that respect goes completely under the 'don't treat running the country like a fucking game' principle, but yeah.
Andrea Leadsom is a drooling nitwit, to put it politely.
Also in today's news:
Lib Dems may back government on case-by-case basis, say sources
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-government-on-case-by-case-basis-say-sources
Also in today's news:
Lib Dems may back government on case-by-case basis, say sources
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-government-on-case-by-case-basis-say-sources
Is this the deficit actually a big problem and are tax revenues too low to fund public services then how is lowering the deficit a solution if you aren't increasing tax revenues to fund public services and infrastructure spending? Surely that's just kicking the can down the road while not focusing on the real problem. If they are going to go down the road of saving money why don't they rework services so they aren't wasteful, stop hiring private firms to fill gaps at many times the price. A good example, why pay someone hundreds of pounds to fix a street light when you had a local public engineer on a decent wage all year round who just buys the replacement for buttons. Better economy, more tax revenue which you reinvest so more workers, better industry, more tax revenue to spend. Why isn't that their plan?
"No Deals" indeed
The Tory plan is to poison the public mood against paying taxes for failing services so that eventually they can sell them all off and not have to worry about it any more.
Yup. "No deals" is just cowardice. Why even bother producing a manifesto and campaigning on those promises if you refuse outright to work with anyone that would let you deliver any of it?
Exactly. If the Tories put forward good legislation that meets with other parties demands, then of course it should be considered and backed if appropriate, especially if changes can be extracted. Obstruction just for obstructions sake would be rather pointless.
QuicheFontaine
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Betrayalton! :-O
Dirtyshubb
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But whats confusing about all this is that if this is how their deal will be there was no need mentioning it in the first place. Labour have said themselves that if the Tories put forward policies they agree with they would work with them.
The fact this is getting mentioned is either A) attempts to make Lib Dems look bad or B) there is more to it than 'we wont automatically vote against you'.
To be serious, backing sensible legislation in line with the Lib Dem manifesto is to be expected. If they actually announce a deal it would be idiocy though
Seems pretty much the definition of no deals to me. They'll vote on things they consider to be good policies and against things they don't consider to be good policies.
Dirtyshubb
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How long do they think they can keep this report hidden?
Im pleased that it seems to be gaining traction again as i was worried it would get forgotten. They just look so guilty considering they were meant to release the report.
"We will do research on who helps terrorists who kill our people!"
*reads report, gets flashbacks of £3b arms deal*
"Oh that report, yeeeaahh we arent releasing it now, bye"
Im pleased that it seems to be gaining traction again as i was worried it would get forgotten. They just look so guilty considering they were meant to release the report.
"We will do research on who helps terrorists who kill our people!"
*reads report, gets flashbacks of £3b arms deal*
"Oh that report, yeeeaahh we arent releasing it now, bye"
Magic Money Tree, if we don't sell arms to SA, where are we going to get money to pay DUP? /tories
Spuck-uk
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UKIP look set to veer even further to the right, and thankfully, irrelevancy as they shed the paper thin veneer of pretending not to be total cunts.
Spuck-uk
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I thought this was particularly funny, excerpt from a book written by an insider on the conservative leader nominations:
"[Goves] set of friends agreed he wasnt the man for the job, saying he was not worldly enough, and claiming, This is the man who had to be stopped trying to unblock his loo with a hoover."
"[Goves] set of friends agreed he wasnt the man for the job, saying he was not worldly enough, and claiming, This is the man who had to be stopped trying to unblock his loo with a hoover."
Huw_Dawson
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That's exactly what we pledged before the election anyway - we'd be a constructive opposition, but we're not going to keep any party in power (no pacts, supply and confidence arrangements, coalitions etc). As others have said, it's a bit pointless to be elected as MPs and then not fight for the government to do things. Nobody votes for obstructionist parties outside of Northern Ireland.
And yeah Gove only ran for Tory leader to scupper Boris. I think I remember Boris being told at his leadership launch that Gove was running and then deciding (I think it might even have been as bonkers as mid-speech?) to not run.
The Friendly Monster
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I still don't understand why Gove running precluded Boris from running. Felt like a convenient excuse to me.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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Because Gove had promised Boris that his friends in the party would back him. If Gove was standing himself then obviously that wasn't happening
JonathanEx
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It was before Boris' launch, but not mid-speech. You can see it in the quite fun bitchy docudrama, Theresa v Boris: How May Became PM on the iPlayers http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08w29jm/theresa-v-boris-how-may-became-pm?suggid=b08w29jm
The Friendly Monster
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But why would Boris so clearly need Gove's 'friends'? They amounted to, at most, 48 members, who would all inevitably back whichever of them made it past the first round. Are you trying to tell me that Gove, who came behind Andrea Leadsom, was more popular than Boris in the Conservative party?
Huw_Dawson
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The LD chief whip has strong words on these recent "LD secret talks with Tories" stories:
http://www.libdemvoice.org/alistair...ruth-about-those-secret-tory-talks-54814.html
http://www.libdemvoice.org/alistair...ruth-about-those-secret-tory-talks-54814.html
Gove and Johnson were the Brexit brothers and had the same well of support - they didn't need each other's friends; they had the same friends. Gove's decision to run for leader was designed to split that support and ensure that neither of them could be leader. It was basically a murder-suicide. In short:
The Friendly Monster
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But that makes no sense in the context of how the Conservative leadership election works. The candidates get eliminated one at a time, so as long as Boris was preferential to Gove overall, Gove being in the race should have meant nothing to Boris. I really think a lot of people have been fed a story here and are taking it as fact without examining it.Gove and Boris were the Brexit brothers and had the same well of support - they didn't need each other's friends; they had the same friends. Gove's decision to run for leader was designed to split that support and ensure that neither of them could be leader. It was basically a murder-suicide. In short:
Huw_Dawson
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Eh, if I had such a wonky first name I'd just go by my second.
If I didn't know better I'd think Rees-Mogg was some sort of robot designed to be the most stereotypical Tory possible, sort of like the Daily Mail headline generators that spit out "Diana was killed by EU Hoodies"
Dirtyshubb
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I still love the fact that its clear he gives absolutely no shits about his daughter who is the only one with a simple, one word name Mary.
I suppose when you clearly aspire to live up to the ideals given to us by our Victorian ancestors its not surprising he favours his male kids.
It's ok, the child will get 1/6th share of about 80% of Somerset so he can afford to pay for a deed poll change. Although Rees-Mogg does seem the type to stick to inheritance only passing to the eldest boy.
Which do you reckon he follows, Agnatic, Agnatic-Cognatic or Absolute Cognatic law?
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Actually, its blatantly Gavelkind
Camp Freddie
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Nice use of bollocks by the LD chief whip. It does seem to be a non-story where people try to spin "we'll support any bills we agree with" as somehow "doing a deal".
Labour regularly vote for government bills (even a lot of bad ones), so perhaps they should have headlines about supporting the Tories on a case by case basis. They even whipped for brexit for fucks sake.
You post on GAF so you must have a computer or smart phone.
In the eyes of the Tories, this means you have plenty of money to waste on "luxury" items, so why should they subsidise your "frivolous" lifestyle!
Labour regularly vote for government bills (even a lot of bad ones), so perhaps they should have headlines about supporting the Tories on a case by case basis. They even whipped for brexit for fucks sake.
You post on GAF so you must have a computer or smart phone.
In the eyes of the Tories, this means you have plenty of money to waste on "luxury" items, so why should they subsidise your "frivolous" lifestyle!
keep fucking that pig, Cameron
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Probably not gavelkind, since that was outlawed under the Normans (and wasn't really equivalent to the German model even under the Anglo-Saxons).
QuicheFontaine
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He lives in Somerset. It's probably settled by chasing a big wheel of cheese down a hill or something.
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