UnblessedSoul
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And the real job cuts haven't even begun yet, I'm pretty sure our economy will shrink again in 3 months time double dip recession ftw
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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.
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radioheadrule83
Banned
Interesting survey on BBC labs - I'll be interested to see what results they get out of the responses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/labuk/experiments/class
http://www.bbc.co.uk/labuk/experiments/class
Anyone else see the BBC headline "Shark Nations Failing on Pledges" and get bitterly disappointed with the lack of amazing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment/
Last night's 10 o'clock live
Slightly better now that the expectation of a Not the 9 o'clock news style of show has worn off. Campbell walked all over Mitchell. That "terrorist expert" was a complete and utter scumbag. You'd think a Professor would be able to think of arguments that weren't so flimsy.
Slightly better now that the expectation of a Not the 9 o'clock news style of show has worn off. Campbell walked all over Mitchell. That "terrorist expert" was a complete and utter scumbag. You'd think a Professor would be able to think of arguments that weren't so flimsy.
radioheadrule83
Banned
As daft and flimsy as he was, it annoyed me that the other two wouldn't let him speak... like Mitchell said - "if his argument is silly, it'd be better for you to let him finish it" - or something to that effect.
I enjoyed it more than the first episode but the segments seem so rushed - there are too many in too little time. Just as anything threatens to get interesting they have to stop and do the next bit. Its no coincidence that the timed and rehearsed bits - like Jimmy Carr's news roundup, the hilarious Andy Gray and Richard Keys bashing and the David Mitchell rants - are the 'best' bits of the show.
Lauren Laverne's little monologue on companies like Serco was too shallow. I work in public service, and we do use contractors like that, and we often get screwed in contract negotiations, and then end up taking the flak for the shitty jobs that private contractors do -- so yes, I agreed with her argument, agreed that such contractors should be subject to media scrutiny and be made to be transparent... but she said at the top of the show - "i'll be taking a look at the murky world of serco" or something, and then spent 10 seconds talking about it.
The show needs to be longer or they need to cover less in the time that they've got.
I enjoyed it more than the first episode but the segments seem so rushed - there are too many in too little time. Just as anything threatens to get interesting they have to stop and do the next bit. Its no coincidence that the timed and rehearsed bits - like Jimmy Carr's news roundup, the hilarious Andy Gray and Richard Keys bashing and the David Mitchell rants - are the 'best' bits of the show.
Lauren Laverne's little monologue on companies like Serco was too shallow. I work in public service, and we do use contractors like that, and we often get screwed in contract negotiations, and then end up taking the flak for the shitty jobs that private contractors do -- so yes, I agreed with her argument, agreed that such contractors should be subject to media scrutiny and be made to be transparent... but she said at the top of the show - "i'll be taking a look at the murky world of serco" or something, and then spent 10 seconds talking about it.
The show needs to be longer or they need to cover less in the time that they've got.
J Tourettes
Banned
Kentpaul said:
My condolences, it must be very hard for you.
JonathanEx
Member
10 O'Clock Live was much better this week, and shows why everyone was a bit overly high in expectations for the first one.
They still need to work on the rushed element - push it another 10 minutes with the same amount of content to give the desk segments more breathing space, and do more on stuff like Serco. It's once a week, do something controversial and have no adverts or just make it a bit longer.
However they've got better at using Laverne, who is pretty essential in holding the show as a whole together.
They still need to work on the rushed element - push it another 10 minutes with the same amount of content to give the desk segments more breathing space, and do more on stuff like Serco. It's once a week, do something controversial and have no adverts or just make it a bit longer.
However they've got better at using Laverne, who is pretty essential in holding the show as a whole together.
So, along with Jeremy Paxman interviewing the leader of the English Defence League and offering almost no opposition, our prime minister states that multiculturalism has failed.
While I think of a way to respond, enjoy (oh lol) these morsels.
Ed: Okay, so the more I read the article the more I agree. We wouldn't have bastards like the EDL if the government was actively tacking all extremist groups.
Ed: Tacking? Tackling.
While I think of a way to respond, enjoy (oh lol) these morsels.
Ed: Okay, so the more I read the article the more I agree. We wouldn't have bastards like the EDL if the government was actively tacking all extremist groups.
Ed: Tacking? Tackling.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
Reads this story on the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Gets ready to and march at the Anti-Fascism parade in Luton, where the EDL are also marching
Perfect timing condom head, perfect timing...
*edit, I posted without reading the above
Gets ready to and march at the Anti-Fascism parade in Luton, where the EDL are also marching
Perfect timing condom head, perfect timing...
*edit, I posted without reading the above
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
You can have multiculturalism without terrorizzzzum
*edit Even the EDL guy says the same thing :lol.
This is all a mess
*edit Even the EDL guy says the same thing :lol.
This is all a mess
Thnikkaman said:
Paxman is a shit interviewer, his whole tactic is ignore what the other person is saying and try and get a rise out of them. Kudos to the EDL guy for not rising to his tactic. EDL not my cup of tea, but it's nice to see there are at least a branch of Englishmen out there who arn't skinny, jeaned apathetic sheep.
Speedymanic
Banned
Zenith said:
Anti Islam marches. They don't even bother hiding behind the they're only against extreme Islam pretence any more.
The problem is a lot of people are falling for it, black, white, Sikh, Indian, etc...they are swelling their ranks with drecks of society, the ones who get all their news from the Sun, Daily Mail, etc. Those who are more than happy to twist facts to make something appear more evil/sinister than it really is. (Sharia civil courts are seen as the beginning of Sharia law in the UK, whereas they are no different from the Jewish civil courts that no-one has any problems with.)
They are far more of a threat than the BNP ever were, it's just fortunate that they are all universally stupid and not able to form a political party, although I suspect they'll soon turn attentions to politics as they attract more and more ex-BNP members/those who seek to take advantage of the group for their own ends.
Seriously. The Tories are changing the tax system to effectively make it easier for corporations to launder money through our country! Why are the media not covering this? Oh, that's right.Deadman said:
It'll take people having to queue for bread rations before they rise up Tunisia-style and force these Thatcherite scum out of office. I knew this sort of thing would happen if the Tories got in again, but no - everything's alright as long as the Lib-Dems get in and we get our Alternative Vote*, right?
GAH! You're all a bunch of idiots! And I am, too, for ever trusting you guys!
*Don't get me wrong, I want a new voting system as well. But it's nice to dream, isn't it?
Speedymanic
Banned
The problem with UK politics at the moment is that the current Government is still blaming everything on Labour and everyone (including the media) just eat it up and rarely bother going into more detail.
The above article from the Guardian hasn't been mentioned once on any of the main headline news programmes, all of them are instead leading with the 'surprise' announcement of Osbourne charging the banks more money. (nice smokescreen there, throw around big numbers is a sure fire way to keep the dullards at bay and show you actually care about them. :/ )
Hell, the Tories could bring back the Poll Tax, blame its coming back on Labour/the deficit and people would just accept it...this is how far we've fallen.
The above article from the Guardian hasn't been mentioned once on any of the main headline news programmes, all of them are instead leading with the 'surprise' announcement of Osbourne charging the banks more money. (nice smokescreen there, throw around big numbers is a sure fire way to keep the dullards at bay and show you actually care about them. :/ )
Hell, the Tories could bring back the Poll Tax, blame its coming back on Labour/the deficit and people would just accept it...this is how far we've fallen.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Sir Fragula said:
Need to be careful there. It is a fairly basic principle that two parties who are in dispute can settle their dispute in any legal way they choose - such as for example tossing a coin, or asking someone else to mediate or judge on the dispute.
If you admit that (and surely you must, as otherwise society just couldn't work and the courts would be totally clogged up), then you must allow that people can choose to settle their differences according to Sharia law, or the rules of a golf club, or arbitration by a family friend, or whatever.
And if you allow that, then there can't really be any objection to a Sharia court system in this country, provided that it doesn't exclude or contravene English law. Which it can't, there's always the possibility of bring an action in the English courts.
So there's no problem. None at all.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Salazar said:
I'm not sure what you mean - I guess you meant "abrogate" rather than "arrogate" but even then it isn't awfully clear. So I'll try to answer the question(s) that I think you are asking. Forgive me if I get it wrong.
Q1: How would the (Sharia/other) courts enforce their judgments?
A1: By agreement of the parties, societal pressure, cost of taking the dispute further etc etc. Just the same as any other civil court. If the dispute ends up being escalated to the English courts then the evidence before, and maybe even the judgment of, a (Sharia/other) court is likely to be admissible evidence. The (Sharia/other) court knows this, just like every arbitrator/mediator does, and knows that being overturned in the High Court is a bit of a blow to its reputation, so in general they are pretty careful to not get overturned.
Q2: What parts of English law would the (Sharia/other) courts take over or render ineffective as between the parties?
A2: None whatsoever. There is no mechanism to exclude the operation of the English courts without the agreement of the parties, and if they agree it wouldn't come to court anyway.
Q3: But what punishments would such a court have at its disposal - you know, fines, chopping off hands and so on?
A3: None whatsoever. Except those agreed by the parties. Besides, you might be getting civil law and criminal law confused. There's absolutely no (serious) suggestion, even from Muslims, that a Sharia criminal code would have any place in England or Wales.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/feb/08/tory-funds-half-city-banks-financial-sector
This is of course in no way related to my earlier link.
This is of course in no way related to my earlier link.
Deadman said:
What in the...!
If we're only hearing about this now, and it's not even a lead story, I shudder to think what else wont see the light of day.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Salazar said:
Hey! Glad to hear that. People using words right and that sort of stuff. Yoohoo.
Nice.
Must admit I'm still not awfully sure what you were questioning in the first place though. May be my fault for getting lost in a flurry of posting while having a damnable head cold.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Tory peer: Bus drivers and Waitresses "unimportant"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...r-bus-drivers-and-waitresses-unimportant.html
Wanting to populate his waste-of-time panel with an exclusive 'elite' would be easier to swallow if he wasn't so sneeringly snobbish and insulting about it. An "unimportant" "lay person" would come to the wrong decision?... oh, so the final judgement of the committee is decided before the committee is even composed? I see.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...r-bus-drivers-and-waitresses-unimportant.html
Wanting to populate his waste-of-time panel with an exclusive 'elite' would be easier to swallow if he wasn't so sneeringly snobbish and insulting about it. An "unimportant" "lay person" would come to the wrong decision?... oh, so the final judgement of the committee is decided before the committee is even composed? I see.
radioheadrule83 said:
There's a social club for old folksbus trips to the seaside, that sort of thingthat advertises around my grandad's flat. To join, you have to provide proof that you "achieved eminence, or a high degree of community respect" during your career. Grandad (a miner and then a cook on a sub) is a bit old for full-blown bouts of hysterical laughter, but those posters can still get him.
Another one bites the dust:
Pity he was only a Lord, I would have loved it if this issue was the one that split the bloody quislings from within. Oh well, there's still the AV referendum to go yet. Looking forward to it, whatever the result.
Will be voting for AV, btw, despite everything
Double post because at least some Lib-Dems remembered where their true loyalties lie:
Let's not let this thread die, guys.
Let's not let this thread die, guys.
As someone who works for police staff (applications developer - trying to cut down on the amount of paperwork etc police have to do!) I can say it is indeed worrying times, especially when they announce in the local paper there will be 30%+ staff cuts before it was ever announced here.
The above about the banks is a joke, I'm actually rather ashamed that I voted Conservative now.
The above about the banks is a joke, I'm actually rather ashamed that I voted Conservative now.
Hey everyone guess how much corporation tax barclays paid in 2009? They made £11.6billion in profit and paid £113 million in tax. Yeah thats 1%. 1%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/18/barclays-bank-113m-corporation-tax
Oh and they gagged the guardian from releasing this.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/feb/18/guardian-barclays-tax-secrets
This completely dispells the myth that we cant be harsh on bankers because 30% of our gdp comes from the city. Maybe 30% does come from there, but it also stays there, doesnt go anywhere near the taxman.
Cant really explain how angry i am.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/18/barclays-bank-113m-corporation-tax
Oh and they gagged the guardian from releasing this.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/feb/18/guardian-barclays-tax-secrets
This completely dispells the myth that we cant be harsh on bankers because 30% of our gdp comes from the city. Maybe 30% does come from there, but it also stays there, doesnt go anywhere near the taxman.
Cant really explain how angry i am.