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UK Retailer GAME is dead | Brera's Lament

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dave_m123

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Another thing about buying at Asda and Tesco other than being cheaper most of the time is they dont try to get me to buy a used version instead or keeping nagging at me to pre-order anything and everything.


Agreed. Everytime I go in game its the same everytime. Prefer to shop online or digitally now.
 

Brera

Banned
No offence but 600 pounds in shares isn't really a big risk. I am considering buying shares as I was in HMV but it still feel too risky. If I were to invest it would probably be to take a bigger gamble, but what worries me is the amount of debt they have. If EA and other publishers announce a deal with them, then they will survive as is the case with HMV and its supplier, but I don't see this happening with Game. Especially if EA are already announcing a potential dip in their profits due to a European retailer closing.

Nevertheless, I think Game's market share is quite large, so it leaves the potential for others to start up shop and replace them.

Exactly, it is a small punt, I can afford to lose a bit, but the potential for making shitloads is immense if they can get past this rocky stage.

The share price has barely budged at this news, didn't even send it back to 3p. They will make a deal as it's in no ones interest for them to be gone (apart from a value for money point cos they are a rip off!)
 

louis89

Member
Close one of the stores in Guildford, god damn, why do you need to have two in one town right next to each other.
 

Dynoro

Member
This is what happened to Zavvi and Woolys but it's not the publishers refusing, it's a credit insurance problem.

The publishers need GAME. They will work something out. GAME is 30% of the UK market and as others have said, their shops are usually very busy.

Doesn't stop them being a huge rip off.

As a share holder, I demand they close 35% of their stores, cut pre-owned game prices by 30% and new games by 15-20%.

Do a Nintendo basically. Stop being tits charging £39.99 for Mario 3D Land.

As an aside; it would be nigh on impossible for GAME to do this. GAME do not own the stores; they rent them and most (if not all) are on very long leases of 5+ years. This is why Woolworths and Zavvi and others like them can't just shut down stores to save money as they will be hit for breach of contract and it would cost far more than each store is losing. The only way to avoid this hit is to either become profitable again, survive the lease and then don't renew or declare bankruptcy. This is also why you can see 2 or 3 GAME/Gamestation stores within minutes of each other - it is too costly to shut them down.
 

Brera

Banned
most town centres have had 2 GAME stores next to each other or near by for donkeys years. The leases must be for life or something. They should have chosen their locations a bit better. I can see what they might have been thinking as you see loads of Maccies and Tesco express stores in the same area but games are not the same as food!

The gamestation near a Game thing is genuis though. You are your biggest competitor. A lot of gamers dont even know its the same company!
 

Kyoufu

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In Watford, we had 2 GAME stores right next to each other and also a Gamestation too. Sadly, one GAME and the Gamestation shut down :(
 
most town centres have had 2 GAME stores next to each other or near by for donkeys years. The leases must be for life or something. They should have chosen their locations a bit better. I can see what they might have been thinking as you see loads of Maccies and Tesco express stores in the same area but games are not the same as food!

The gamestation near a Game thing is genuis though. You are your biggest competitor. A lot of gamers dont even know its the same company!

I'm pretty sure most 'gamers' know they're the same company maybe not the clueless parents buying presents for little johnny though
 
GAME's Twitter account:

"We waved good bye to all of SoulCalibur V last night as well as a bunch of Final Fantasy!"

I pre-ordered the most expensive thing they're releasing on Friday but my order's one of the last to be sent out!
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
One complaint I can't have against GAME is trying to sell me stuff while I'm paying. Then again it's been quite some time since I bought anything in a GAME store that this practise could have been implemented after my last in-store purchase.
 

glaurung

Member
My FFXIII-2 Crystal Edition is still unshipped from game.

If they are not going to ship by CoB tomorrow, I will be cancelling their bullshit. And they aren't even telling me whether they are going to honor the pre-order.
 
GAME and GameStation are both ran by the same company, so if GAME did fall through all of the stores would just change into Gamestation and barely anything would change.

Other than the fact that GAME would actually have a decent used section for once.
 

JonCha

Member
Make trade-in prices more competitive for starters. Maybe even reduce the price of games by about £5. The problem is you can get everything much cheaper online that the only reason you should go in is if you want it immediately.

And even if you want a game second hand you can just go on eBay or CEX and buy it there.
 

Brera

Banned
Probably counting all the monies from abandoned Vita deposits already.

I'm guessing every cancelled vita pre-order is a free £25 in the bank!

Game will get past this. They are mainstreaming gaming in the UK. The own the 2 biggest chains and the biggest website.

To all the haters on rllmuk, I hate Game as much as the next gamer and the only game i've ever bought new from there was Mario Galaxy and that was £5 below RRP, but if you look at it objectively, they are doing bad, but the future is looking good!
 
Call me paranoid but I'm almost terrified that I'll lose my £300 credit which I've used some to cover deposits for Vita, mem card and game.
 

Brera

Banned
They have 100 million in the bank and made loses of 20 million.

No different to Nintendo and they're doomed too?
 
If they can make it the 720 launch, riding on the 3DS and WiiU, they'll be fine!

but it sounds like GAME's problems are more to do with horrendous mismanagement and a bloated number of stores, rather than not selling games. not getting credit is a really bad sign, i wouldn't be shocked if they never made it to the Wii U launch, let alone the 720, which is probably late next year.
 
The problem with video game shops is that they aren't specialist stores, but they should be. I don't know what it's like outside of the UK but here the problem is that GAME (and Game Station) are just run like shops with product on the shelves you pick-up and buy. I see this as a major problem because video games are very specialist and unless you know exactly what game you want to buy, it's a hugely confusing experience.


They treat every customer like a hardcore gamer who knows what game they want, knows what day it comes out and they come in, grabs it off the shelf and heads to the till. They aren't catering for the rest of the market (which is much, MUCH bigger than the hardcore market) that generally don't know what's good and what's bad, and more importantly what's suitable for whoever is going to be playing the game.

If you were to go into GAME and say "I want a Wii game for my 7 year old daughter, it's got to be fun and colourful and easy to play and nothing nasty etc", a typical GAME employee wouldn't have a clue on how to recommend you. They would most likely pass you Mario Bros. Wii, which would be completely unsuitable as it's a hardcore game. FOR EXAMPLE.

GAME, or any other shop that sells just video games should be like a Hi Fi shop, or a car showroom, staffed by people who know what they are talking about, have knowledge about every game on the shelf and can sit down (yes, sit in a sofa in a nice area of the shop like there used to be) and demo the game to the customer and talk to them. I would put money on that most of the staff in GAME know very little about the games they are selling, and for the staff that do, it would only be basic knowledge on the big AAA games like FIFA, or Gears or Halo. "Yeah this FIFA has the 2012 roster, and they've now got 8 player co-op" or whatever. Basically they've just read the back of the box. Sure, there are gamers that work there, but they don't play everything that comes out or would even have decent knowledge on them.

I put the blame with GAME for not looking at what a video game shop should be about or training their staff properly. I remember when Future Zone (which changed to Electronics Boutique, which changed to GAME) would let you play games before you bought them to see what they were like. I don't know why they changed that as it was a great idea.

Would people abuse it? I don't think so, and people abuse anything so thats BS and can't be used as an excuse. It's the same as going into a record shop and listening to it before buying it. Shops like Fopp/Head allow this and it should be the same with video games.


That's my thoughts anyway. Gaming is too specialist for it just to be a shop that sells stuff, it needs to be more than that. Is this the reason GAME are going down the shitter? Most likely no, but I can't say I've ever had decent customer service in there when I've been, they just try to see you crap, recommend the Used version of the game and tell you how good the game is when it's only been out a day.
 

xxczx

Member
Close one of the stores in Guildford, god damn, why do you need to have two in one town right next to each other.
There's three where I live, all small sized shops as well. They could just close all three and open a bigger one.
 

CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...lenders-have-begun-hints-at-overseas-sell-off

GAME confirms talks with lenders have begun, hints at overseas sell-off

Review of strategic plan of the company.

Embattled retailer GAME has confirmed it is in talks with its lenders over its current credit troubles.

Its lending syndicate is reviewing the company. In a statement GAME hinted it may sell its overseas operation.

GAME has a strong presence in Europe and Australia. It has 94 shops in Australia, 197 in France, 288 in Spain and Portugal and 67 in Scandinavia.

It claims to be fourth in France and Australia, and the market leader in Spain, Scandinavia and the Czech Republic.

Yesterday Eurogamer reported the specialist retailer had lost its credit insurance with agencies, and was having to pay cash up front for stock.

Given GAME's current cash flow problem, doubt was cast on its ability to sell new releases - but a GAME spokesperson told Eurogamer this Friday's launches would definitely be sold - and guaranteed Vita would be sold in its stores later this month.

Today's statement in full:

"In response to press speculation the GAME Group plc confirms that it is in on-going dialogue with its lending syndicate to reach agreement on revised terms for its facilities. As part of these discussions, the lending syndicate is reviewing a strategic plan of the company which includes a review of its overseas operations.

"A further announcement will be provided once discussions with its lending syndicate have concluded."

Yesterday EA boss John Riccitiello voiced concerns about the financial health of a "major European retail partner" - widely believed to be GAME.

"We are concerned with the financial condition of one of our major European retail partners, which could lead to both increased bad debt and lost sales," he said.
 

daviyoung

Banned
The problem with video game shops is that they aren't specialist stores, but they should be. I don't know what it's like outside of the UK but here the problem is that GAME (and Game Station) are just run like shops with product on the shelves you pick-up and buy. I see this as a major problem because video games are very specialist and unless you know exactly what game you want to buy, it's a hugely confusing experience.

Yeh, there's certainly some identity crisis on what a GAME shop is and while they deliberate on it they'll put themselves extinct. At the moment it's just an HMV with games instead of DVDs (yeh, HMV sells mostly DVDs now) and a loyalty scheme.

It can't compete with supermarkets in terms of retail price, can't compete with Amazon in terms of online delivery and can't compete with Steam in terms of DD. GAME won't be able to survive without their high street driftwood magnets. The crowd that GAME tries to cater to know about better places to buy their stuff.
 

Zafir

Member
XIII-2 still hasn't shipped out, guess I ain't going to get it on Friday unless they send it via courier.
 
Why are all large stores completely oblivious to the reasons for their problems and then act all surprised when they go tits up? HMV are the same, they changed to selling fucking Ipod accessories and hipster T-shirts and then they complain about consumers buying their stuff elsewhere. I'll be glad when they close, greedy swines.
 

dellingr

Member
Add me to the list of not having my FFXIII-2 copy posted. I don't have time to play games during the week so if I don't get it by Saturday I'll have to wait till next weekend to play it. What a pain.
 

Omikaru

Member
My pre-order of MGS HD hasn't shipped. They've acknowledged that it exists, but no more.

I'm not so bothered about getting it late or not at all anyhow. I've waited long enough after the US launch for it, and now I have FFXIII-2 delivered yesterday from ShopTo to play while I wait.

If it takes too long I'll just switch to Amazon, Play or ShopTo.

Edit: Actually, that's a lie. I love MGS too much, and I really feel like playing some MGS2 tomrorow!
 

SnowHawk

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This is my last pre-order with GAME online, they messed up my Skyrim pre-order and now they've done it again with my FF order.
 
May I ask... if some of you are concerned on whether or not your game has been shipped from the website, why don't you pre-order in store? At least then you know you're guaranteed it 9am launch day.

I can understand it if you live too far away, or if you work a full time job. But even then, we get quite a few customers who pop in on their lunch break to grab their copy.
 

Danj

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FF XIII-2 still listed as 'unshipped'.

On the subject of FFXIII-2 are any stores breaking street date on this? I notice GAME and Gamestation's websites are both showing as "In Stock" although the release date isn't till tomorrow, could I expect to be able to pop in to one and pick it up? And/or would it be worth trying somewhere like ASDA or Tesco?
 
May I ask... if some of you are concerned on whether or not your game has been shipped from the website, why don't you pre-order in store? At least then you know you're guaranteed it 9am launch day.

I can understand it if you live too far away, or if you work a full time job. But even then, we get quite a few customers who pop in on their lunch break to grab their copy.

Because clicking a button on a website is much easier than going to a store to pre-order and then going back to pick it up.

There's NO excuse in 2012 for a website to not get you the game on the day of release. 0.
 
Because clicking a button on a website is much easier than going to a store to pre-order and then going back to pick it up.

There's NO excuse in 2012 for a website to not get you the game on the day of release. 0.

Then why not make the extra effort and go in and collect it? :) Though, I do agree with you. Especially if you've had it on pre-order for a while. To send it ready for day of release is the least they should do. GAME have tough competition with online sales and they're not helping themselves by doing this.

On the subject of FFXIII-2 are any stores breaking street date on this? I notice GAME and Gamestation's websites are both showing as "In Stock" although the release date isn't till tomorrow, could I expect to be able to pop in to one and pick it up? And/or would it be worth trying somewhere like ASDA or Tesco?

I don't think you'll find any GAME / Game Station stores breaking the street date. I popped into Graingers this morning to inquire about the MGS HD Collection. They have it in stock but aren't breaking the street date either.
 
I've been keeping track of tweets to GAME's Twitter account all day. Someone posts a tweet saying their FFXIII-2 Crystal Edition pre-order has just been cancelled for no explained reason. "Oh fuck," I think. Bing-bong! I have a new email. Oh... oh no... It's shipping confirmation - my copy has been dispatched. Relief.

I'm never ordering anything from GAME ever again.
 

Protome

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On the subject of FFXIII-2 are any stores breaking street date on this? I notice GAME and Gamestation's websites are both showing as "In Stock" although the release date isn't till tomorrow, could I expect to be able to pop in to one and pick it up? And/or would it be worth trying somewhere like ASDA or Tesco?

Sites have them in stock on their website because it's going to take at least a day for the game to arrive so it's not breaking street date.
In-store nowhere seems to be selling it early, except maybe some smaller stores, like GForce in Glasgow.
 

dellingr

Member
It's a shame that you can't order online and then have the option to pick up a copy in your nearest store. I guess that doesn't make much sense though.
 
I've been keeping track of tweets to GAME's Twitter account all day. Someone posts a tweet saying their FFXIII-2 Crystal Edition pre-order has just been cancelled for no explained reason. "Oh fuck," I think. Bing-bong! I have a new email. Oh... oh no... It's shipping confirmation - my copy has been dispatched. Relief.

I'm never ordering anything from GAME ever again.

Game is dispatched before release. Never shop there again. Wat?

Gameplay.co.uk did a similar thing to me a while back. I had a game on pre-order with them for about two months. Then, a day before release, they tell me my order had been cancelled. I wasn't too concerned on getting it launch day, but what really bugged me was that I lost my pre-order DLC. :( I still to this day have no idea why they cancelled my order.

It's a shame that you can't order online and then have the option to pick up a copy in your nearest store. I guess that doesn't make much sense though.

You can do this. It's called Click and Collect. :) IMO it'd be nicer to order something in the shop and have it sent to you at home, though. Great for out-of-stock products.
 

PaulLFC

Member
GAME and GameStation are both ran by the same company, so if GAME did fall through all of the stores would just change into Gamestation and barely anything would change.
No they wouldn't. They are both owned by Game Group, and it's Game Group that is in trouble. If they go then it's bye bye to Game, Gamestation and probably Gameplay.co.uk.
 
I've been keeping track of tweets to GAME's Twitter account all day. Someone posts a tweet saying their FFXIII-2 Crystal Edition pre-order has just been cancelled for no explained reason. "Oh fuck," I think. Bing-bong! I have a new email. Oh... oh no... It's shipping confirmation - my copy has been dispatched. Relief.

I'm never ordering anything from GAME ever again.

This is becoming a self-fulfilling doom cycle...

let me get this straight: someone anonymous tells the internet their order has been cancelled, and complains on Twitter, whereas you get an email telling you your copy is happily on its way - on time - and you think thats a reason to never shop with them again?

GAME didn't cause you any stress, you were looking for a reason to stress online as a result of this story
 

CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
I've been keeping track of tweets to GAME's Twitter account all day. Someone posts a tweet saying their FFXIII-2 Crystal Edition pre-order has just been cancelled for no explained reason. "Oh fuck," I think. Bing-bong! I have a new email. Oh... oh no... It's shipping confirmation - my copy has been dispatched. Relief.

I'm never ordering anything from GAME ever again.

Their twitter feed has been pure damage control since the news broke. Trying to just laugh everything off, but I guess they can't tweet "we're fucked, send help" to their customers.
 
On the subject of FFXIII-2 are any stores breaking street date on this? I notice GAME and Gamestation's websites are both showing as "In Stock" although the release date isn't till tomorrow, could I expect to be able to pop in to one and pick it up? And/or would it be worth trying somewhere like ASDA or Tesco?

If you're okay ordering from
ShopTo
you can get it for £37 and it will arrive tomorrow. That website is very good at getting stuff out to you. My copy of Resident Evil: Revelations arrived last Wednesday when it was out on Friday.

Because clicking a button on a website is much easier than going to a store to pre-order and then going back to pick it up.

There's NO excuse in 2012 for a website to not get you the game on the day of release. 0.

Right on the button. Especially when going into a store often doesn't guarantee you the same level of service as the online stores. You have a lesser chance of getting pre-order bonuses and I've often paid more when pre-ordering in store.

The last two times I pre-ordered in store I've had problems. I had to ask for the MvC3 steelbook (a promotion which was plastered all over the store) and I didn't receive Army of Two: 40th Day's
don't judge me!
Extraction mode because it wasn't an instore promotion. I picked that up with a friend who had gone down the 'click and collect' route and he got a code but I didn't. Fucked.

FF XIII-2 shipped, by the way. Not expecting it tomorrow though.
 
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