Amiga
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It will create an "us vs them" feeing in Russian youth. many who didn't grow under the shadow of the old cold war and could start fresh.
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Ukraine calls on PlayStation, Xbox to stop supporting Russian markets
It will create an "us vs them" feeing in Russian youth. many who didn't grow under the shadow of the old cold war and could start fresh.
A.Romero
Member
I get that and I'm not saying if the popularity is deserved or not. I'm saying that it depends of what people think regardless of what the UN decides. So if the general population believes the leader of the invaded country "deserves" it, it seems it doesn't matter what the diplomacy channels say, no pressure for sanctions.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Actually the taiban were boys who were sent to Islamic schools in Pakistan during the 80s. They went back to Afghanistan in the 90s and destroyed their fathers and established the taliban.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
Man, stop with this rhetoric. It's like you guys don't think that a person can sell out his/her beliefs for even more power. That's naive and clearly shows that many many many people are under the illusion that the world is black and white (brought to you by propaganda)
Fuck, I hate Putin as much as you guys do, but this conflict has opened my eyes on how fucking hypocrite people are. Ukraine, banning consoles to Russia is not going to achieve SHIT.
Now, all the people involved in this mess, sit the fuck down, negotiate, and stop with the fucking crying and reach an end to this worthless, pointless war. Innocent people are dying in both sides, but what matters to Ukraine is making sure to ban everything from Russia, while expecting Russia to accept all their conditions. Fuck out of here.
Well, they just banned russian teams from FIFA and NHL.
And now Dostoievski books from universities.
For me this is insanity.
FunkMiller
Member
Good on the first two. It was a course on Dovstokesky in one Italian university, which got turned around anyway.
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FunkMiller
Member
Oh yes, god damn those Ukrainians for asking for boycots on Russian goods, and demanding Russia leaves their country, having invaded it for no good reason.
Fuck me lad, you in a Moscow bunker somewhere?
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RoyalLaFlame
Banned
Yes I am, and I just had lunch with Putin. Man, this situation shows the truth about people. You all want continuous conflict, continuous sanctions because you have to root against someone. You have to. There's no middle terms, nothing.
Calling Playstation, or Apple, or Xbox, to stop selling in the Russian market is so fucking ridiculous from Ukraine to ask. They have other things to care about right now, like actually sitting on a table and discuss how can they all agree to stop this madness.
The other thread has already opened my eyes to the posters that I should ignore, so carry on.
KingGhidorah
Banned
Banning video games will give Russian youths nothing to do and extra free time to protest 
RoadHazard
Gold Member
While I agree that diplomacy is the answer, it seems like Russia's demands are something like "surrender your entire country to us or you will die". How can Ukraine possibly accept that?
John Wick
Member
It's funny how the USA and it's allies can invade anywhere they like? They can affect regime change etc. Arm rebels to turn on their leaders. Leave countries devastated. Look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan as an example. This is American democracy at work.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
The thing is, we have no certainty of what's going on during the talks, what are the demands (be aware of propaganda on both sides). I don't think that it is as simple as you are saying, because that doesn't make much sense for Russia to do, given the circumstances.
I don't want to further debate over this because this is the gaming side, and if you are interested in debating this, feel free to PM me.
We’ve had those bunker baby types ourselves. Please stay safe Russian GAF person. If you can help a Ukrainian or two after you oust Putin that’d be great.
The Internet can amplify some terrible shit sometimes but it also can allow us to be “together” despite these strange and scary times.
If its same rules.. Falkland islanders don't want to be Argentinian, Ukrainians don't want to be Russian, Leave the propaganda politics out of it.
I'm sure the people of the UK would support you guys being able to buy games consoles at a reasonable price though if you want to start a campaign?
TLZ
Banned
Sure.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Rationally I would agree, and I certainly hope there can be some solution that, as you say, would actually make sense.
And yes, of course there's propaganda on both sides, I am fully aware that I'm mostly getting one version of the story. Just seems hard to argue against that version given what we're seeing.
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captainnapalm
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Just let the politicians and governments handle this, we don't need companies and blue checks fishing for likes and retweets with cancel culture nonsense. Putin isn't Hitler and none of them are Saving Private Ryan.
As we speak, the US is tacitly supporting and supplying the weapons for Saudi Arabia's illegal war in Yemen. The death toll there makes Ukraine look like a walk in the park. So let's cancel them as well.
As we speak, the US is tacitly supporting and supplying the weapons for Saudi Arabia's illegal war in Yemen. The death toll there makes Ukraine look like a walk in the park. So let's cancel them as well.
John Wick
Member
No they weren't. Stop making shit up.
John Wick
Member
Were you so vocal when Iraqis were being killed? Or the handful of other countries the west think they can march on?
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
There are many players in this game, and I have a huge feeling that Ukraine is being played, but Russia is completely wrong for this invasion.
But based on previous history, I don't think people should assume that this is a good guy vs bad guy situation. The media on the west is doing everything they can to legitimise western interests, while the Russian one is doing the same. Unfortunately, people are dying because of this. I was expecting the audience to be educated about this subject by now, but doesn't seem like it. You can side with Ukraine, while still questioning why this is happening and study both sides.
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John Wick
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No. They go country by country devastating that country. Maybe you should get your head out of your arse and see the damage the US has done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. They prop up Israel to continue their illegal occupation of Palestine. Veto any vote to sanction Israel. Have bases all over the world. Why? They are the only country to drop atomic bombs on civilian cities. America love war and killing civilians.
John Wick
Member
The audience believe what their media tells them. Remember the Iran nuclear deal? Signed by the USA. They changed their minds after 2 years. You just can't trust the Americans to keep to their word. Just like the Minsk agreement. They think they can just do as they please. It's no wonder Russia and China aren't taking their shit anymore.
GymWolf
Member
Really not sure if fucking up normal citizens is the correct thing to do...
What they want to achieve? russian people protesting on the streets and getting killed by putin soldiers? Is this what people want?
Do you really think that normal citizens who barely have food or water have any power against armed soldiers?? They have power in numbers sure, but putin would kill hundreds\thousands of his own people before giving up.
This is a lose lose situation for russian people.
Maybe i'm just too naive but imagine if you were the majority of russian people who ARE NOT OKAY with this war.
What they want to achieve? russian people protesting on the streets and getting killed by putin soldiers? Is this what people want?
Do you really think that normal citizens who barely have food or water have any power against armed soldiers?? They have power in numbers sure, but putin would kill hundreds\thousands of his own people before giving up.
This is a lose lose situation for russian people.
Maybe i'm just too naive but imagine if you were the majority of russian people who ARE NOT OKAY with this war.
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Dream-Knife
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Better do some research chief. Taliban literally means student.
John Wick
Member
Research? What's their name got to do with their origins?
The Taliban were trained by the CIA. They weren't always called the Taliban until much later.
Dream-Knife
Banned
The history of the Taliban is crucial in understanding their success now – and also what might happen next
A historian explains how the Taliban emerged out of the decades of chaos that followed the Saur Revolution in Afghanistan in 1978.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
"The US supports the Nazis of Ukraine" .. Fuck me.. You are either lapping up Russian propaganda or you're literally mentally ill. The Nazi narrative is as true as the white supremacy narrative in the US: Yes there are white supremacists in the US, yes there's Nazis in Ukraine. But they are a handful of powerless losers useless for anything else than to be used for political ammunition.
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MrTroubleMaker
Member
really odd, every one that runs against him either has a fatal accident or is corrupt and placed in jail....What’s that? You voted for Putin. When you vote for a guy like Vlad Putin you’re bound for problems.
77% of the vote.
2018 Russian presidential election - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
GymWolf
Member
Do you really think that putin would have any problem in killing a couple of thousands of protestants?
People watch too many movies about france revolution i think.
If russian government is so fucked up that people really don't decide anymore who their leader is, why would they risk their life for something that is not their fault? Would you do that?? Not everyone believes in second life in heaven with virgins, we all have ONE life.
If these sanctions really push poor people on the streets getting killed by putin soldiers all of these big companies are gonna have russian blood in their hands.
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nush
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Poor people in Russia don't have Xbox or Playstation.
sncvsrtoip
Member
whole world should exclude russian market untill they deal with putin
GymWolf
Member
It would be more acceptable if it is the middle class that gets killed by soldiers for protesting??
Also this topic is about gaming sanctions but the whole world is sanctioning russia, i'm sure that some of these sanctions hit the poor people aswell, mine was a broad statement
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John Wick
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And you know this how? Have you been to Iraq? Or Libya? Have you actually spoke to any Iraqis or Libyans post war? I had cousins living in Tripoli. They had to flee to Italy when Ghadaffi was overthrown. My cousins are still in touch with their friends back there and they all wish they could go back to how things were.
Putin will have blood on his hands.
Sanctions are shit but the alternative for companies is 'empowering' dictators/bad actors on the international space. How much impact it has or doesn't have cuts both ways.
Yes, I would probably be more comfortable with this being a thing that comes from governments instead of private companies.
Sosokrates
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U quote me?
GymWolf
Member
Mistake quote, sorry.
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John Wick
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So you got one historians version who's probably never even been to the region but he's an expert now?The history of the Taliban is crucial in understanding their success now – and also what might happen next
A historian explains how the Taliban emerged out of the decades of chaos that followed the Saur Revolution in Afghanistan in 1978.
He doesn't even mention Bin Laden and his influence on the Mujahadeen. The founders of the Taliban were Afghans trained by the CIA. Obviously those founders aren't going to stay young forever.
GymWolf
Member
It is a shitty situation indeed, but punishing citizenzs still doesn't sound quite right.
FunkMiller
Member
I’ve been very vocal about America’s poor foreign policies, but what does that have to do with this? It’s okay for Putin to commit mass murder or Ukrainians because George Bush launched a war on a false pretext?
And what does it have to do with sanctions and boycotts on Russian?
All this whataboutery
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John Wick
Member
It's not okay for any country killing any innocent people. But where were the calls to ban American, British and Israeli goods, teams etc?
Vaelka
Member
Is Cenk aware of his nephew being a Putin and Russia simp?
Edit: On that note who's gonna hold Twitch responsible for the insane levels of misinformation and blatant propaganda some of their biggest streamers engage in?
Funny how that's okay but if you call someone a nasty word you'll get banned.
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bob_mugabe
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It will impact the younger middle classes, who already are the most likely to get independent new on Internet and oppose Putin but have zero impact on the conflict.
If anything, the strategy should be the exact opposite : focus the sanctions on the Russian oligarchy and try everything to empower the people. Isolating the average russian dude will only make things worst
If anything, the strategy should be the exact opposite : focus the sanctions on the Russian oligarchy and try everything to empower the people. Isolating the average russian dude will only make things worst
FunkMiller
Member
It's not okay for any country killing any innocent people. But where were the calls to ban American, British and Israeli goods, teams etc?
The false equivalence is breath-taking.
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