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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT| of 9 Years Urley

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Karsticles

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Bizazedo said:
People'd still rage because he'd still destroy whole teams in X-factor level 3 after those changes.

It'd be even easier due to Rhino Charge beingr reverted (that's the hyper counter, right? All his stuff has such stupid names I almost intentionally forget it).

The main reason he annihilates teams is the insane speed he gets in XFC 3 and when he lands a hit, all his combos are easy to do even at the insane speed (good luck trying to combo if you haven't extensively practiced at XF3 speed with Zero or Felicia).

As for Sentinel, I always felt the health nerf was due to how powerful 1.3 mil life made his assist.
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I'm okay with some characters being good anchors. This isn't about what would make people happy, but rather what would make things better in the game. Generally, if you're making everyone happy, you're making the wrong decision.

I'm sympathetic to your Sentinel claim. After all, I didn't even bother to punish Sentinel Force with Chaotic Flame because it just didn't do enough damage to justify the bar. However, over time it has become increasingly difficult to call Sentinel out. Most top players are good at getting that hit in to neutralize his drones ASAP, which negates that problem.
 
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EYEL1NER

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Snagged the new pack on my lunch break. Scarlett Spider is sooooo awesome.

They just opened a new gate on base here, so I can get home quicker by taking it. It cuts my commute down by 10-15 minutes, so when a coworker and I go to my apartment on lunch, it's awesome. We can get about 7 or 8 more matches in now (we play every lunch break). I love it.
 
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sixteen-bit

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EYEL1NER said:
Snagged the new pack on my lunch break. Scarlett Spider is sooooo awesome.

They just opened a new gate on base here, so I can get home quicker by taking it. It cuts my commute down by 10-15 minutes, so when a coworker and I go to my apartment on lunch, it's awesome. We can get about 7 or 8 more matches in now (we play every lunch break). I love it.
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It must be awesome living close to work :(
 
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Prototype-03

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QisTopTier said:
Hsienko tier wesker change list right here. Only thing that needs to change is the stuff you said you would be happy with. Honestly they should just revert him back to mvc3 wesker drop his health down to 850 and call it a day and he would be fine.
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Lies, random cross ups needs to be gone too. Maybe the glasses too. That's dumb.
 
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RS4-

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Karsticles said:
I'm okay with some characters being good anchors. This isn't about what would make people happy, but rather what would make things better in the game. Generally, if you're making everyone happy, you're making the wrong decision.

I'm sympathetic to your Sentinel claim. After all, I didn't even bother to punish Sentinel Force with Chaotic Flame because it just didn't do enough damage to justify the bar. However, over time it has become increasingly difficult to call Sentinel out. Most top players are good at getting that hit in to neutralize his drones ASAP, which negates that problem.
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I'm all for using the flame then killing him off by juggling him with a few pillars. Even if I don't kill him, 80% is enough to discourage someone from calling him out again
 
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Lazy vs Crazy

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Lineup for the NYC SRK Showmatch got announced:
Yipes, ChrisG, MarlinPie, NerdJosh, RayRay, Noel Brown, Masta CJ, Dieminion.

Would have liked to see 10stars or Josh Wong over NerdJosh but a pretty good lineup anyhow.
 
EYEL1NER

EYEL1NER

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_dementia said:
It must be awesome living close to work :(
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Well, if it makes you feel better, I am living close to work for the next 3 weeks. Then I have no work or job to live close to. So there.

And if I can get the job I want as a contractor at Bagram in Afghanistan, I will be living in a tent with other civilians, sleeping on a bunk, with no Mahvel to keep me company. For a year.

Did that do the trick for you?
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JeTmAn81 said:
Not as awesome as having somebody to play with on a regular basis :(
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It's nice having a buddy to play with, since I don't really play online. We play all kinds of fighting games. In vanilla, we would regularly stay up all night playing 60, 70, 80 matches in a row.
I tell you what though, usually I body him in MvC. Over the weekend though, we were playing first to 10 and he beat me 10-9. It was the first time it's ever happened in Marvel (he usually tear me apart in Soul Calibur though). I felt like dying. He beat me and said "Welp, I'm out. Gonna go call the GF" and walked out, leaving me sitting there in shame.
 
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Bizazedo

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Did I miss when Nerdjosh was a dominating force?

Not trying to be a dick, serious question, he always seems to end up on these types of things and just curious if I missed him whipping some ass in the past.
 
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Degen

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Just fought this Honzo_Gonzo impersonator on PSN.. The worst thing is that the guy is actually good

Time to work on that backup team. This one can't do much against nonstop zoning.
 
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Dahbomb

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Just for fun, post your list for a potential Good vs Evil in UMVC3 starring good ol' Albert Wesker.

EVIL

1) Viscant (Wesker/Doom/Strider)
2) Justin Wong (Storm/Wesker/Akuma)
3) PR Balrog (Spencer/Wolverine or Dante/Wesker)
4) Noel Brown (Wolverine/Wesker/Frank West)
5) Minh (Wesker/Taskmaster/Magneto)

Honorable Mentions:

Jago (Wesker/Dante/Trish)
MastaCJ (Dormammu/Magneto/Storm/Wesker)
Killer Kai (Zero/Wesker/Taskmaster)
IFC Yipes (Wesker/Magneto/Dante/Nova)


GOOD

1) Combofiend (Nova/Spencer/Hawkeye)
2) Filipino Champ (Ghost Rider/Sentinel/Magneto/Dormammu/Dr Strange/Phoenix)
3) MarlinPie (Viper/Magneto/Amaterasu)
4) ChrisG (Ryu/Firebrand/Hawkeye)
5) Clockw0rk (Doom/Strider/Amaterasu)

Honorable mentions:

Fanatiq (Magneto/Storm/Sentinel)
Richard Nguyen (Vergil/Dante/Nova)
Flocker (Zero/Vergil/Hawkeye)
Chrisis (Viper/Firebrand/Strider/Dante)
DJ Houshen (Felicia/Taskmaster/Skrull)
 
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Karsticles

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RS4- said:
I'm all for using the flame then killing him off by juggling him with a few pillars. Even if I don't kill him, 80% is enough to discourage someone from calling him out again
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In Vanilla, Chaotic Flame pushed assists off-screen. You would not be able to do this.

Bizazedo said:
Did I miss when Nerdjosh was a dominating force?

Not trying to be a dick, serious question, he always seems to end up on these types of things and just curious if I missed him whipping some ass in the past.
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NerdJosh won a good number of tournaments during the middle period of Vanilla, and then sort of dropped off. He developed a reputation for choking. He took a while to find his groove.

Degen said:
Just fought this Honzo_Gonzo impersonator on PSN.. The worst thing is that the guy is actually good

Time to work on that backup team. This one can't do much against nonstop zoning.
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Hah. That guy just made an account on GFAQs.
 
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Dartastic

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Goddamn I hate fighting fradulent spam players online. Just fought someone who was running Strider, Doom, Hawkeye. ALL HE DID WAS SPAM VAGIRA WITH HIDDEN MISSILES COVERING HIM, THEN GO LOW. THEN WHEN HE WAS HAWKEYE HE'D SPAM ARROW TRIPLE ARROW. SO GODDAMN FRUSTRATING.

...I took him down though. ;)
 
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Dahbomb

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Lazy vs Crazy said:
Lineup for the NYC SRK Showmatch got announced:
Yipes, ChrisG, MarlinPie, NerdJosh, RayRay, Noel Brown, Masta CJ, Dieminion.

Would have liked to see 10stars or Josh Wong over NerdJosh but a pretty good lineup anyhow.
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Agreed on NerdJosh. Should've been replaced with DJ Houshen.

Solid list overall will watch for sure.
ALL HE DID WAS SPAM VAGIRA WITH HIDDEN MISSILES COVERING HIM, THEN GO LOW. THEN WHEN HE WAS HAWKEYE HE'D SPAM ARROW TRIPLE ARROW. SO GODDAMN FRUSTRATING.
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LOL I read this as Viagra.

Also Vajra isn't an overhead.
 
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Dartastic

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Still frustrating as hell because Strider's crouching L is so fast, and he was covered by almost anything he was doing due to the hidden missiles. Online lag was making it really stupidly difficult to do anything about it.
 
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enzo_gt

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Why do you guys keep saying I said people want to nerf Wesker to oblivion? I never said that, never insinuated and even explicitly said no one wanted that. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. I said Viscant is afraid of that. Don't call me out for not reading posts if you choose not to read mine.

The potential overreaction IS what I'm afraid of. Like hey, lets chop 400K off of his health and make him Strider (Id still think he'd be a better character than Strider at that, but that's a diff discussion). I've been an advocate of "make every character A-tier level of potency" forever. Yes that involves notching down some cats and pumping up others. But there will always be discrepancy. Everyone here agrees Wesker is all kinds of trouble right now, at all skill levels, but I flat out don't agree with the sentiment of nerf now and keep nerfing as soon as you see a problem arise to deal with it.

Let the game breathe. "It's had 9 months to breathe" is some grade A bullshit in any new environment, unless your functionally willing to argue MvC3 is exactly the same as UMvC3. TAC changes, Air X-Factor, cast-wide tweaks, were three weeks in and people feel comfortable making changes that can have even greater consequences, yknow, when the game actually develops, under the presumption that we're in the metagame already (or even more daftly and arbitrarily, Wesker is in the metagame in isolation from the rest of the game and cast and should be dealt as such). In which case, you don't really understand the meaning of metagame. This is a new game. Yes, Wesker is currently bullshit. But assuming we have hit complete tier saturation, tiers have become static, and not expecting any development from here forward with the game as a whole is equally as bullshit. This is Sentinel 2.0 in every way, shape and form from the reactions, and I elaborated on that in the NEC thread. Had people been shouting NERF PHOENIX one month in, maybe it would've been more intelligible if substantiated, but no, people thought they had grand foresight on whatever principles to justify Sent nerfs for the salvation of the metagame. And look how that turned out. People adapted. Sentinel wasn't unbeatable and neither is Wesker.

There are legitimate issues with Wesker. I'm just saying a priori, it would be wise to let this resonate a bit further now that everyone is aware of said threat and issues. If people could make highly effective counterstrats to the randomest of random characters, Phoenix, who was 80x the problem, you should consider that possibility of coevolution in this new game environment. Which is very new. Stress new.

I would have multiquoted but I'm on my phone.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Why did they make so that so many hypers require mashing :(?
 
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Dahbomb

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People said 1 week before the game came out Wesker would rule.

People got the game day 1, said Wesker would rule.

People said a day before NEC that Wesker would rule at NEC.

Wesker ruled at NEC.

Stop trying to compare Wesker to Sentinel... Sentinel NEVER won anything substantial even with 1.3 million. And the mechanics to vanilla were brand new at that time. People thought that 90% combos were broken, now we know they are par for the course. We have learned after 9 months of play what Wesker is capable of even at low level Wesker play and since he pretty much got buffed due to system changes... it's not an exaggeration to say he is OP. Not even saying he is the best or whatever, but his glasses mechanic is universally agreed on being dumb and needs to be patched.

No character deserves to have that bull shit of a mechanic. No character deserves to have hypers that randomly cross up (yes I want them to patch Vergil's too because it does cross up as well).

The changes to UMVC3 benefit Wesker more than most other characters. I delineated all of that in a previous post. He is the current meta of the game and defines what is good. You are good relative to Wesker. His assist is not only the staple OTG of the game but probably the BEST combo extender assist in the game because it doesn't scale and isn't subject to HSD like other assists plus it doesn't use up your ground/wall bounce like other assists.
 
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Grecco

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Its not nececarily fair to say because Wesker ruled NEC then he ruled.


East Coast has always been on the Wesker Bandwagon. Significantly. Hell even Yipes used to switch him and dante out in his Magneto//Akuma teams. If Wesker also dominates the next major then its a bigger pool of players to make judgements from.
 
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erpg

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vixlar said:
Maybe is for breaking sincronization on advanced players. The top players have a timing in their moves, and the rushing when they are mashing could break that perfection a little.
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I love positive game design. Good stuff, Capcom.
 
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Prototype-03

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enzo_gt said:
Why do you guys keep saying I said people want to nerf Wesker to oblivion? I never said that, never insinuated and even explicitly said no one wanted that. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. I said Viscant is afraid of that. Don't call me out for not reading posts if you choose not to read mine.

The potential overreaction IS what I'm afraid of. Like hey, lets chop 400K off of his health and make him Strider (Id still think he'd be a better character than Strider at that, but that's a diff discussion). I've been an advocate of "make every character A-tier level of potency" forever. Yes that involves notching down some cats and pumping up others. But there will always be discrepancy. Everyone here agrees Wesker is all kinds of trouble right now, at all skill levels, but I flat out don't agree with the sentiment of nerf now and keep nerfing as soon as you see a problem arise to deal with it.

Let the game breathe. "It's had 9 months to breathe" is some grade A bullshit in any new environment, unless your functionally willing to argue MvC3 is exactly the same as UMvC3. TAC changes, Air X-Factor, cast-wide tweaks, were three weeks in and people feel comfortable making changes that can have even greater consequences, yknow, when the game actually develops, under the presumption that we're in the metagame already (or even more daftly and arbitrarily, Wesker is in the metagame in isolation from the rest of the game and cast and should be dealt as such). In which case, you don't really understand the meaning of metagame. This is a new game. Yes, Wesker is currently bullshit. But assuming we have hit complete tier saturation, tiers have become static, and not expecting any development from here forward with the game as a whole is equally as bullshit. This is Sentinel 2.0 in every way, shape and form from the reactions, and I elaborated on that in the NEC thread. Had people been shouting NERF PHOENIX one month in, maybe it would've been more intelligible if substantiated, but no, people thought they had grand foresight on whatever principles to justify Sent nerfs for the salvation of the metagame. And look how that turned out. People adapted. Sentinel wasn't unbeatable and neither is Wesker.

There are legitimate issues with Wesker. I'm just saying a priori, it would be wise to let this resonate a bit further now that everyone is aware of said threat and issues. If people could make highly effective counterstrats to the randomest of random characters, Phoenix, who was 80x the problem, you should consider that possibility of coevolution in this new game environment. Which is very new. Stress new.

I would have multiquoted but I'm on my phone.
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Very good points. There's just 3 issues with Wesker that makes it stupid and that's mainly the glasses, the random cross ups and + frames on S. What I'm guessing is that Wesker was supposed to be a high risk/high reward character (counters, command grabs and teleports) but the main problem is that he ended up being no risk thanks to random stuff he can do. Hell, you can just be mashing S if you wanted to and throw out random supers because well... you never know if you'll catch a cross up. Outside of that, he has no real mixups. I'm fine with the damage. I'm fine with the HP. Keep in mind that this isn't like Sent, where I thought he didn't need any nerfing. Wesker has legit issues.

And also, while you're talking about Phoenix, why the hell did regular Phoenix get nerfed? The main issue was that Dark Phoenix, coupled with XF 3 was stupidly good. She got an indirect nerf in meter gain AND regular phoenix got nerfed. Phoenix should be viable as a regular character and Dark Phoenix be a HUGE liability (ie: Let Phoenix be 500-600 HP and Dark Phoenix be 200-300K HP).
 
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Dahbomb

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Wesker isn't + on launcher he is like -1.

Mike Ross is going to be FFFFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE as hell to Jago.

Jago to Mike in his latest WWHY episode: "Time's running out Mike..."
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
SolarPowered said:
You shouldn't complain either. It's what all us old school players have been clamoring for since Vanilla MvC3 released.
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Not complaining... it's called "wondering" and "curiosity".
 
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GhostRidah

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Yo Nina Lex lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txDtVlSW4hM

Nothing to do with marvel but its kinda funny and weird/awkward at the same time.
 
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mileS

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Dahbomb said:
LMAO @ that Captain America troll holy shit!!!!

I am now declaring Zero as the best character in this game. I have now seen enough to decide that no other character touches him at this point in time barring new technology found. He is undeniably S tier. If you have anything to say to counter this or refute this please speak up I want to hear it.

THE HYPE RE-IMAGINED

This Chris TECHNOLOGY IS FUCKING STOLEN.. BY ME!!!

MY FAVORITE MOMENT FROM NEC! DAT THEME SONG!
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lol great post as always!

heres my favorite moment from NEC hands down. (around 20sec in) Chris G > (I guess I should add I have no idea how hard this is to pull off but it looks SICK)
http://youtu.be/uq7Iz95lMhM
 
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Dahbomb

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I have been bodying people with Captain America a ton lately (low level casuals but the rate of bodying is way higher than in vanilla). Feels good man. I just do baby mode combos which is just ABCS BBCS OTG relaunch BCS OTG HCS. Captain America hits like a GROWN ASS MAN and DAT back flip so good. So fun trolling all the zoning teams with it.

His Shield Slash assist isn't as good as before thanks to universal HSD nerf on assist. Still good for setting up cross ups and stuff.

FOR FREEDOM!
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
SolarPowered said:
Just messing with you.

Mashing is a shitty addition to the game that no one wanted. Most positive posts are just being sarcastic like mine.
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Ooooh! I feel trolled ;_;
 
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Dartastic

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Dahbomb said:
I have been bodying people with Captain America a ton lately (low level casuals but the rate of bodying is way higher than in vanilla). Feels good man. I just do baby mode combos which is just ABCS BBCS OTG relaunch BCS OTG HCS. Captain America hits like a GROWN ASS MAN and DAT back flip so good. So fun trolling all the zoning teams with it.

His Shield Slash assist isn't as good as before thanks to universal HSD nerf on assist. Still good for setting up cross ups and stuff.

FOR FREEDOM!
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Killa Sasa bodied me last night with Cap. It was ridiculous. Full screen shield slashes into combos? Dang.
 
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ihearthawthats

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captain america was always good. he was definitely the best avenger (between him, thor, and iron man) in vanilla, and still is.

i think he was underrated because day 1, all the top (sf/mvc2) players deemed him the worst character in the game (many of the same people who deemed sent as the best character day 1). iirc, even worse than hsien-ko. it wasn't until i think like week 2 when hsien-ko finally earned that title.

likewise, felicia was always good too and was definitely the best darkstalker.
 
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Frantic

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QisTopTier said:
Hell spencer is almost twice as stupid as current wesker right now.
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It's like you and I are the only two Marvel players who seem to realize this. Beyond the stupid amounts of damage he can get, he has a faster roll, a faster command throw(it has to be. It feels waaay different than before), can cancel out of his wire grapples with a super(a HUGE change), and most of all - a better zipline. Considering how fast it is, it might as well be a teleport since it crosses people up just as well as one. The fact he can tech out of it now, which was the main method of beating it out in Vanilla... he's good. Stupid good. Only characters who can sit at super jump height are a problem... but it's not as bad as you'd think.
 
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Dahbomb

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No arguments on Felicia.

Iron Man was the best Avenger in vanilla. Captain America had a ton of issues in vanilla which include no damage off of air throws, poor combo options in corner, more punishable shield slashes and more reliance on assists. Iron Man was a complete character in vanilla but outclassed by Magneto who was in the same archetype. Iron Man had high damaging combos, great ranged normals, solid zoning game, solid rushdown/mix ups, combos off of air throws and the best beam assist in the game. Just was a lot hard to play.

Also Hawkeye is in Ultimate so Captain might not be the best Avenger. Iron Man.. the jury is still out on him. He's so hot and cold. Thor is really good.

Spencer is stupid good in Ultimate, you will not get any argument from me there. He's top 10 minimum potential top 5, I can say that with confidence. One of the premier TOD characters in this game right now. As far as grown ass men go, Spencer is the alpha male. Just like with Zero, not a lot of people play Spencer so people aren't complaining about him yet.
 
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Neki

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looking that chris video, is it really possible to punish with a throw, can't they tech?

yeah, just watched the rest, seems weak
 
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kirblar

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ThatCrazyGuy said:
Enzo, why do you keeping insinuating people want to nerf Wesker into oblivion. Nobody wants him nerfed into Hsien tier. People want reasonable ADJUSTMENTS on his BS mechanics.

Tweaking the dumb glasses thing and maximum Wesker not being random cross up is NOT nerfing to hell, it's being reasonable. His other BS (safe launcher, super fast command grabs for a relatively fast/hard hitting character) should probably be looked at, but those can stay.

It's like you are not reading posts. It's like your are stuck on the word "nerf" and you think everything bad associated with it. People wants tweaks, adjustments. Is that better?

Wesker would still be a top character even with those 2 tweaks. He hits hard, does massive X-Factor damage and is easy to use with pretty easy BNBs.

Cause Viscant's Wesker can't beat Flocker's Zero means Wesker doesn't need adjustments?

It's like you are saying, "people work harder to beat Wesker, and overcome his BS". But, I say, screw you Wesker players, why don't you have to work harder? :)
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Loss Aversion. People always say "lots of buffs, no nerfs" because they're mentally primed to take losses far worse than gains.
 
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