A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Heroes also won on PS3, which is weird because the day before it was 57% in Heralds favor.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT| of 9 Years Urley
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Man, I just fought this really great Iron Man. Wow, he was great. Amazing, really. So much air dash technology. Great player, great player.
And then he got hit with L and was never seen or heard from again. Game ruined.
And then he got hit with L and was never seen or heard from again. Game ruined.
I thought it was, but apparently there's more to it because I never do either. It's probably from all the Ghost Rider spamming.
Oh wow, lol. Good shit, Kadey.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Used to be in favor of Dante in MVC3. Like around 6-4. This is due to invincible Hammer, better damage output, better priority on moves. Zero didn't have Lightning edge which meant that Zero either had to play a Buster game or had to actually get in to perform mix ups. Dante is a threat to Zero when he's jumping thanks to the tracking teleport meaning even Zero has to be careful. Both of their mix ups were/are some of the best, damage was always in Dante's favor.
Now the roles are reversed. No longer Dante have Hammer meaning in some cases Zero can anti-air him and get underneath him. Damage output of Dante is nerfed... Dante actually struggles to kill Zero whereas Zero easily kills Dante. Lightning -> Buster -> Lightning means that Zero has insane space control and mid screen mix ups, air dash nerf means Dante has to be more cautious about approaching. Normal hit priority and pushback nerf on Dante also puts it in more favor of Zero. Dante's mix ups remained sort of the same, Zero's got better. On the ground at close proximity Zero has Dante beat. Still though Zero can't easily get in on Dante thanks to all the stuff he can fill the screen with.
It's about even in Ultimate but I would give the favor to Zero slightly. The dynamics of the fight change drastically depending upon X Factor on deck, meter on deck, Devil Trigger vs Sogenmu, assist selection and even life lead. Like if Dante has more meter and the life lead... I would give the edge to him since he can play super lame with Devil Trigger plus Air Raid, multi-dashes and Vortex.
If your team is Nova / Hawkeye / Wesker and you win, your next match you can't use Nova. I am currently interpreting that you can use any team you want in the next match in any order, but Nova can't be a part of it.
If that NEXT team wins, Nova can return for your third match, but whatever point you used in that second match is now out for one match.
It basically means you'll need to know a minimum of four characters.
Also, lol at the bios.
crimzonflame
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Now that Tim Tebow is getting his own comic published by Marvel do you think he will appear as DLC?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yes, him and Micky Mouse will appear as a DLC pack together.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
FUUUU! I will be so good with that royal battle. I hope that Kadey planning to host second one.
Ah alright fair enough. I built my team around Nova, so this will be a bit harder than I thought to keep a win streak going. I'll have to dig deep to find my extra character from the ones I mess around with.
The Abominable Snowman
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I'll be on after 8 or 830!Cloudius12
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Frantic or Bizazedo to take it.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I think Bizazedo is gonna take it.
Alright, that's more or less how I feel... but there are some interesting things about the matchup most people don't know. I actually believe the fight is an even 5-5 and 6-4 in Dante's favor with Devil Trigger if you play the matchup right.
On a basic level, Dante wants to be on the ground the entire fight, because he has options that destroy Zero's aerial movement - more so than most characters. Dante can beat Lightning dashes on reaction with Twister. If Zero cancels into Buster to save himself, Twister will eat Buster and Dante can go into DT to make it safe from Zero's frame advantage/lightning bolts. Any of Zero's dives can be beaten by a Million Carats on reaction while also making Dante safe from any assist calls Zero can make, and leading to a full combo for Dante. Preemptive Acid Rain forces Zero to block a free mixup, acts as a combo breaker, and on hit will lead into a full combo. Jam Session can snipe Zero out of the air when he gets close. If Zero decides to hang around at the top corner of the screen spamming Busters, Dante can snipe him out of the air with Multilock.
None of these options are impossible for Zero to beat, naturally, but they can make his approach hell. The problem is Dante has much harder time starting up/maintaining his space control compared to Zero... but that's where Devil Trigger comes in. A Devil Trigger at the start of the round can force Zero to the other side of the screen allowing Dante to start up his superior space control. I honestly believe people play Dante wrong most of the time. You mention the pushback on his normals, but that is actually really good against Zero, because a simple ABC > Weasel Shot pushes Zero full screen on block without pushblock, which is what Dante wants. You can also call assists during Weasel Shot to create even more space control. And there are even more options Dante has that I haven't listed and am still working on.
People are still playing Dante like it's Vanilla - long combos, 'dat damage', and rushdown with airplay/hysterics mixed in. That's not how he's supposed to be played in Ultimate. He's about complete space control, bullying the other person from a distance, and then rushing down when they don't expect it. Dante has too many tools no one uses.
I just proved Kadey right with this post.[/dantefanboy]
Probably Biz or Smurf, tbh. They're more consistent than me.
Cloudius12
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Just read the rules...wtf is this shit =p
If you use multiple characters, you should be fine.
Maybe, lol. I got that random select technology.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
WTF, really?
ThatCrazyGuy
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I have gone Solar with this game. I haven't played in 2-3 weeks (or turned on my xbox really). I mostly blame the holidays, football, and the NBA starting again.
EVO selection show has got me hyped though. It's like the NCAA selection show!!
EVO selection show has got me hyped though. It's like the NCAA selection show!!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
sixteen-bit
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You can't really say the match up is in favor of Dante if he has DT on because the same is true for Zero and his Sogenmu. All his options are doubled and the second clone doesn't have a hurt box meaning at BEST you will be trading with him. Very few if any character have non meter options to shut down Sogenmu pressure. What you gonna do against quad lightning and double Busters + pizza slicers?
Zero enjoys the long range game as much as Dante does. You can attempt to beat out 5 frame Buster with special moves... but if you keep doing it eventually he will clip you with one and you eat a fat combo. He's safe when he uses it, that's why he's hard to beat. If he's not in a life lead... he can turn on Sogenmu and go ape shit.
The rest of the stuff I 100% agree with. Dante is not a rushdown character, he is a space control monster. And he's probably top 3 at that job, there is no area on the screen Dante can't fill up or touch. The options and tech you have posted is enlightening. I have to face Zero a lot with Vergil and it's a frustrating experience. I can beat him in the match up but I probably need to burn a meter or two (worth the investment IMO). Once he turns on Sogenmu... it's usually a dead Vergil for me unless I waste an additional bar for Storm Swords.
Also in terms of match ups... no one beats Vergil 1 on 1 when he has 2 bars... not fucking Dark Phoenix and not Ourouborus Strider. But again that's very situational so I don't really talk about it.
New Why We Hate You Episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_P2CDDGJOK4
LMAO @ "Top 8: The Movie featuring Wesker"
Zero enjoys the long range game as much as Dante does. You can attempt to beat out 5 frame Buster with special moves... but if you keep doing it eventually he will clip you with one and you eat a fat combo. He's safe when he uses it, that's why he's hard to beat. If he's not in a life lead... he can turn on Sogenmu and go ape shit.
The rest of the stuff I 100% agree with. Dante is not a rushdown character, he is a space control monster. And he's probably top 3 at that job, there is no area on the screen Dante can't fill up or touch. The options and tech you have posted is enlightening. I have to face Zero a lot with Vergil and it's a frustrating experience. I can beat him in the match up but I probably need to burn a meter or two (worth the investment IMO). Once he turns on Sogenmu... it's usually a dead Vergil for me unless I waste an additional bar for Storm Swords.
Also in terms of match ups... no one beats Vergil 1 on 1 when he has 2 bars... not fucking Dark Phoenix and not Ourouborus Strider. But again that's very situational so I don't really talk about it.
New Why We Hate You Episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_P2CDDGJOK4
LMAO @ "Top 8: The Movie featuring Wesker"
The way it's set up could make it go a number of ways, it'll be pretty cool.
Like, say you have six players.
1. Nucky
2. Chalky
3. Commodore
4. Half-Face
5. Capone
6. Little Jimmy
Say Nucky is the best overall and everyone fears him, but Little Jimmy has his number. Jimmy wins almost every time. You can get into a situation where..
Nucky wins, Little Jimmy takes him out, and then Chalky offs Jimmy with authority. Chalky then goes on a tear until Nucky rolls around and takes him out....who is then immediately killed by Jimmy again.
Jimmy is, of course, then offed immediately by someone else.
If that repeats, even a few times, Nucky can be denied a sizeable win streak and others can build leads on him.
Everyone participating has a good shot just because of how their opponents can screw each other over.
Even 'lil Jimmy.
Like, say you have six players.
1. Nucky
2. Chalky
3. Commodore
4. Half-Face
5. Capone
6. Little Jimmy
Say Nucky is the best overall and everyone fears him, but Little Jimmy has his number. Jimmy wins almost every time. You can get into a situation where..
Nucky wins, Little Jimmy takes him out, and then Chalky offs Jimmy with authority. Chalky then goes on a tear until Nucky rolls around and takes him out....who is then immediately killed by Jimmy again.
Jimmy is, of course, then offed immediately by someone else.
If that repeats, even a few times, Nucky can be denied a sizeable win streak and others can build leads on him.
Everyone participating has a good shot just because of how their opponents can screw each other over.
Even 'lil Jimmy.
"God's Beard!"
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Why do summoned swords get 15 high priority beam points? That ain't right.
True enough. If Sogenmu is out against plain Dante, that shit is scary... but in a battle between Devil Trigger and Sogenmu, I give the edge to Dante still for Vortex alone. It also last twice as long as Sogenmu, so Dante can ride it out Zero's Sogenmu much better than vice versa.
True, however Dante can severly limit its uses from anywhere on screen, be it ground or air. It's less about beating Buster, and more about toning it down. There are only probably a handful of characters that can do that.
The fact he can control space so well while having a teleport is just absurd. Neo_G really loves his DMC characters.
I'm actually off-and-on writing a guide for Dante that goes over every thing there is to know about Dante, and am actively searching for new tech on my own so I've discovered a lot of stuff. For example, Million Carats can eat Dr. Doom's Plasma Beam assist on the first five or so frames, and any other projectile for that matter. It's a big ol' middle finger to any teleport mixup in the game. It can also be done on reaction to anyone's teleport. And it leads to a full combo. And this is only possible because of the removed Rekkas. Yup...
I will burn everything I have to kill Zero. Everything. Five bars, x-factor... doesn't matter to me, I will use it all. lol.
It's canon. Vergil's swords block/deflect projectiles in the game.
I would read it for sure. Good luck on the Marvel-GAF online match session.
"God's Beard!"
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Man, but beams, too? It also means it beats projectile-negating attacks.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Because he's the son of Sparda. He's special that way.
His actual quote in the game when he bodies you.
I love this quote! Dante is sooooo cool. <3
Haha, thanks. I'm probably barely fifteen percent through the guide, but it's been enlightening. Makes me really stop and go 'wow, this is some serious bullshit.'Dahbomb said:
It's a super. You gotta give 'em high durability, bro.
Gunstarheroes
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EVO Selection show? This is my first year really following the fighting game scene and stuff, what is this?
Its no show or anything. Keits is recording his SRK podcast tonight, and they will have the announcement of the games at Evo 2012. Since its kind of a big deal the actual recording of the podcast will be on the srk twitch chanel i think tonight. Its still just a podcast.
I think anyways unless im mistaken.
Anyways
I don't think that DT leads to the mixups or free entry that Sougenmu does. Yeah, Vortex is invincible, but it's easy to anticipate and block. You can use Vortex to get inside, and make it safe with a fly cancel, but the you're still in the air against Zero... but Zero will beat all of your options coming down with his normals. And can't Zero still build meter is Sougenmu? Once Sougenmu is active, and Zero's close, there's so much glowing shit and ponytail blades on my screen that I can't see anything.
I agree that DT is underutilized by a lot of Dante players, but so is Sougenmu. And if DT acts like an equalizer or advantage for Dante, Sougenmu evens out the playing field more.
I haven't really explored double airdash or triple jump in DT, though, so I don't know what that potential holds. I imagine you'll just get s.H'd.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Man the crossover of people who watch wrestling and the people who play fighting games are so damn high. I love it.
I'm definitely down to read/watch this whenever it goes up. Dante is the first fighting game character that excited me just because of how many different options he has, and learning to use all of them efficiently sounds like fun times.
SolarPowered
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I'm not really hyped about this game in regards to EVO. We all know this game, 2012 and SCV are locks. There is a ton of controversy surrounding Skullgirls, Mortal Kombat, KOF and SFxTekken though.
Who knows about BlazBlue...
ThatCrazyGuy
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Yea, it's just the podcast, but live. I call it a show. But it's not really a show.
I just hope for SC5 really.
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