No rush. Thanks for being so thorough last time. I believe I corrected all of the mistakes you caught, and I also implemented your original feedback. No matter what, we need Frantic and Zissou to sign off on it, so it might be another month. ;-)
*gasp* - Frantic got a fact wrong between two of his mains?
I think I am going to slap in Dragon's Dogma and give it a try tonight - another time.
It's less about me getting a fact wrong and more me tending to add the total damage scaling values up. Strider's overall damage scaling is 10%, tied with Dante, and rather than point that out I just said 'lowest damage scaling values' - because, technically, he does have the lowest in the game at 3% for one of his damage scaling values. Feel free to change it, of course.
That makes sense, since Xbots don't have minds of their own.
I'll challenge you next time we are both on. Usually, if someone is already on and doesn't PM me, I assume they are playing.
No rush. Thanks for being so thorough last time. I believe I corrected all of the mistakes you caught, and I also implemented your original feedback. No matter what, we need Frantic and Zissou to sign off on it, so it might be another month. ;-)
).Well, your PSN record will be better if you did a lot of your learning on the 360 and are now playing proficiently on the PS3. Cool ending state, though.
I appreciate you reading them slowly. Feel free to add content where it is needed. Also, do me a favor and both post changes here and PM them to me. The reason I lost track of changes before was that I could not keep track of all the posts we made. Having them PMed for ease of referencd will help me, but I don't want to deprive the group of discussion either.Going to go through the annotations a bit at a time so I don't end up glazing over them all due to reading fatigue. Started with Dante and Trish, and while I'm fine with Trish's, there are a few changes I'd make to Dante's - bolded the stuff that's changed(except for the second, where I pretty much wrote an entirely new annotation, since the proposed annotation was the lesser half of the reason why this change was requested
Dante:
+c.L startup reduced to 6 frames and can be chained into from s.L.
Dante has the slowest normals in the game for a non-heavy. Giving him a faster c.L(Typoed as s.L) helps provide him with an option up close against opponents. While Dante is a spacing character, he still needs tools to make him somewhat threatening up close since he no longer has The Hammers invincibility from Vanilla. c.L chaining into s.L helps open up c.L chaining into s.L helps open up combo and pressure options for him.
+Fireworks regains piercing ability.
Stinger canceled into Reverb Shock is one of Dante's most commonly used neutral poking tools, and due to Stinger's large hitbox, it is often likely to catch a stray assist call. However, due to Firework's lack of piercing, it's common for one character to fall out. In some cases, if the point character is the one to fall out, they can tech forward and punish the recovery of Fireworks. Giving it piercing reduces this chance. Additionally, using Fireworks in the neutral is a strong albeit difficult to execute option that is hindered slightly by its lack of piercing.
+c.M pushback on hit returned to Vanilla levels; active frames increased to 3.
Dante's cr.M is a strong mid-ranged poke that is marred by a lack of active frames and an incredible amount of pushback that makes confirming off it harder than necessary. These changes help to encourage the usage of the move as a neutral poke.
The rest of the annotations are fine. I'll read through some more characters soon.
Gustaff Fire has less startup than Flamethrower, and it has a better vertical hitbox. It also negates all non-hyper projectiles.
Kikoken provides her with a generic projectile assist for team play and a great crossover counter. The AA kicks will never, ever be used because EX Spinning Bird Kick is 10x better than it (invincible + comboble on crossover counter).
Hellfire is pure ass. The hitbox on it is way too small to be effective. We're talking about a pinning assist that makes Firebrand's assists look good. No bueno. It will never be picked.
I support this.
I typed it out because I wanted to make an argument for it all to you guys; I know it's not technically in there right now.
Again, Phoenix does not do well 1v1 without XF3 as it is (considering her cost). She does need some help when everyone has more health, and XF3 was nerfed. 15% is nothing like full-screen. We're talking about maybe 1/3 of a screen. Phoenix also got some nerfs by proxy, like no longer being able to rapid spam s.L or c.L for feathers. I think that the feathers going farther is a fair trade for her losing the feather spam and having less relative power in general.
I've expressed my opinions on this already. 2nd fastest overhead in the game...so what?
Tenderizer L will not supercede Cold Stars, and for a few reasons:
I am on board with making Neck Slice projectile invulnerable. Heck, we could do it with the point version, too...
Like I said, its only ass right now but with the buffs given to it its more usable. A lockdown assist that also OTGs and doesn't use up your ground bounce? That sounds hella good on paper. The range on it is what makes it fair, we already buffed its start up and block stun which makes it a superior lock down assist than before. And like I suggested you can increase its active frames so that it is even more effective as a lockdown assist.
And Flamethrower has more horizontal reach, has way more lockdown, is way better for combos and does more damage. The vertical hit box is not a big factor of differentiating between the two as they are both getting upper body invincibility so if someone is attacking from that angle they will get hit by both assists. The lockdown on that assist if it is allowed to fire for full duration would be quite huge and it becomes an assist that is good as both as a GTFO and a lockdown/combo assist which IMO puts it into "too good" territory. The Flamethrower as an assist should only be allowed to fire for half of its max duration if you want to use it as a GTFO assist OR you remove the upper body invincibility if you want full duration.
She needs to do well 1v1 without X-Factor because she is not going to be able to run a train on teams anymore. Strider has a lot of stuff Phoenix does not have. He pays 3 bars for a super Dark Phoenix form that is temporary vs. Phoenix's weaker for that is permanent for 5 bars. He has an S tier assist, while Phoenix has mediocrity even in our patch.
The Nemesis health steal doesn't specify if he is recovering yellow health or red health. That is the main concern, if he recovers just red health that is not so bad but recovering yellow health is pretty insane. We are talking every time he pokes someone with Deadly Reach he is recovering around 100K health!
You aren't considering her within the new context of our game - Dark Phoenix was given buffs to compensate for the general nerfs she is receiving in the system changes (outside of TAC changes).
Yellow health! :-D
I can be flexible on the Chris change, but not on the Ghost Rider one. I will explain below:
I repeat: Hellfire will never be useful for lockdown. Look at all of the game's lockdown assists, and the best ones have good range or ridiculously high priority on them. Drones, Hidden Missiles, Cold Star, Jam Session, Senpu Bu, and Unibeam are all great examples. An example of a lockdown assist that doesn't have good range or ridiculous priority is Dark Hole, which only gets used for a lack of actually good options. That is what Hellfire would be as an assist: another Dark Hole.
It may be too good...
It doesn't matter because no one will be in range.
But no one will use the goddamn assist!
How does it make more sense to completely rework Hellfire than to just sub it out for a skill that is actually good?
Agreed.
Flocker? The other two are funny.
GGs man, sorry I had to leave suddenly, was running late to pick up my gf from work.
I will just post it here, maybe other people can find it interesting too.
It is the same, but a different order. Sentinel is on anchor. Interestingly, when we mirror matched, we went about even. So it is not clear which order is better.
Yeah it's the same team, but I think he plays it in a different order.