DoA has better character designs, and that's saying something. Though in the battle between awful design, I'm not sure if I would pick KoF or Tekken. Both are so bad, but in completely different ways. Tekken completely lacks artistic style and looks like college graphic art students putting together their first project. KoF has a ton of style, but it's the kind of style an old woman at a second-hand store might have.
Jedah is more vanilla in his gameplay than most of the other DS characters and his design doesn't really grab people the way others do. His relentless pressure is fun to play against and learn, but I feel like other characters in the game can do dat RTSD far better and with more flare. His design is also just kinda out there. You look at DS and at a glance anyone familar with a lot of "Western" culture will call out the parodies, inspirations and familiar monsters with ease. Jedah doesn't have that going for him.
Yo Shaowebb, if you're working with the EF-12 engine I'd love to help. I was investigating it pre English release. It is a bit awkward - I am not from an animating background, I am a 3d modelling hobbyist - but I was impressed by the overall quality of the engine.
60-70% of DoA's character designs are blatant animu dolls just dressed in different ways. The male DoA characters are forgettable as hell.
He doesn't grab most people, but that's why he should be included. You need a balance of character types that appeal to a wide variety of people. Too many people make rosters filled with characters only they like. You need the Dormammu, the MODOK, and the Shuma-Gorath in the round the cast out. I'd say that about 25% of any fighting game cast should be non-human visually. It's a huge part of the diversity aspect. Personally, I rarely play human characters. They just rarely interest me.
Tengu > everything in Tekken. I don't get most of your choices, though Yoshimitsu I definitely agree on.
Ruby Heart is actually getting her own game, though.
Yoshimitsu is one of the exceptions to the Tekken roster. Most Tekken characters are "enhanced" looking humans and that is generally part of the appeal. A lot of them are similar to VF characters only less bland. And then some Tekken characters are just there to fill the "WTF" quota like Alex, Dr.B and Kuma.
I think they're both difficult because you are trying to appeal to different audiences with what you are trying to do. Weirdness is a difficult art to properly convey, especially since most people won't like it. I think part of what makes Dormammu such an excellent design is that almost everyone likes how he looks. Oldmammu did not have that going for him.
Agreed entirely. And the Soul Calibur games have more interesting movesets, too.
C. Viper is fantastic. It's like what KoF wishes it could put together. Rufus...gross, but he's kind of like a MODOK so maybe it's okay. El Fuerte seems like he fits as a jokey character. I don't get you liking Abel and Seth. I do get Hakan.
But El Fuerte has the squeaky shoes! I find his wackiness amusing.
If you have a SFxT question, ask in the Fighting Games Weekly thread. A few regular players post there.
I am saying that a character in SF either goes for wacky/craziness/unique (like say Gill) or goes for the realistic route (like say Abel). Hakan is unique, there is nothing quite like him out there in fighting games. Viper? You have a bunch of KoF characters who look and play like her. She's not unique and she isn't realistic... she's supposed to be somewhere in the middle but she is nowhere.
Most of the characters aren't unique or realistic. They play off of exaggerated stereotypes. Dhalsim is the perfect example. She fits right in with that group, I think. I also don't see how she plays anything like a KoF character. Which KoF character has anything like her moveset potential with canceled Seismos?
I already agreed on the aesthetics, but that C. Viper is a better version of KoF creations. So, no argument needed there.A picture is worth a thousand words:
This, I entirely disagree with. A projectile traveling along the ground is not the same as Seismo. That's like saying a Hadoken is the same thing as Purification. Because that really is what the difference is. The traveling ground projectiles are basically low Hadokens, and Seismo is a Purification that only hits at the ground level. There is absolutely nothing in KoF like C. Viper, even remotely, when it comes to playstyle. Okay, you have fire and electric punches - big whup. That's all aesthetics. The actual playstyle is entirely unique. No one in fighting game history plays like C. Viper does. It's pretty rare that you can say that about a character.
Not as if I have specialties anyway, I just want to work with people using the engine.
The thing about EF-12 is that it has great potential, but someone is going to have to really push the boat with modding it. I ran into some irritating situations and nasty glitches with some parts of the engine - for example its finnicky importing and reliance on a coversion from Excel to another file which had a tendency of glitching my jumps to behave like a wall cling...
EDIT: Also, C Viper is a Marvel character, not a KOF character.
Karsticles said:
C.Viper is Twelve without an airdash. He has seismo, burn kick and jump cancels. XFLAT is Viper's Ultra 2.
I agree with what you said, but the bolded pretty much explains why tough decisions have to be made regarding who would make the cut. Besides Guilty Gear, Smash and SF I can't think of many fighters that deserve like six slots in a possible crossover like Darkstalkers does. Barely a handful of IP in this genre have a cast with that perfect mesh of art design and play style. Why games and characters like Darkstalkers can't cut it outside of a crossover is a whole other sad story.
but you know how to counter it so damn well so I wouldn't sweat it. I keep doing some unsafe shit. I just say fuck it and go yolo (I should stop lol)