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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphIhqwET_g&feature=feedu

Damage on hypers looks way more tamed imo. That is a good thing.

http://twitter.com/#!/sethkillian/status/127135738046332928


From twitter: sethkillian: Yes, UMVC3 Chun has an OTG that nobody has found, and EX SBK is pretty good. She's tough to play but gets a bunch of solid buffs."

Frak yes

I like how Max demonstrated the three characters most destroyed by the airdash change. Morrigan and Hsien-ko have increased in uselessness and the already badly-in-need-of-help Viewtiful Joe is even weaker.

Nice catch lol.

Morrigan is so close to being a solid well-rounded character that seeing this indirect but potent nerf to herself makes me salty before the game has even been released, even if I know I'm still playing her because she's a bad bitch. :lol

She would be more or less solid with the buffs they gave her in Ultimate if they didn't take away her airdash. She is certainly not close to solid in MvC3 though.

I think you might be confusing potential with solid here.

Hsien-Ko though, this one is still the most painful to me. If Rinkoumon is seriously the reason why they feel like she shouldn't be reworked to be viable, let alone good which she is totally capable of being (LOOK AT DA DAMAGE MIXUPS! Actually, just watch the whole damn video. :lol), I'd give it up in an instant. Chop the time on it down a few hundred frames, and give me my cancellable pendulum, air dash with increased speed and forward momentum, ability to combo after a throw/blender, ability to tell what item can dizzy from an Anki Hou and give bombs a hitbox. Also OTG c.H fuck yeah.

They could leave everything else alone and she'd be awesome and without bullshit guaranteed. :lol

They don't know what the fuck they are doing with her. I've just stuck to Vsav and it has been a better experience by far. My thirst for good gameplay is quenched and the thread is devoid of my drivel.

She should stay shit so that we can all move on already.

Morrigan's mid to low in Marvel. In Ultimate, her minor adjustments were really what she needed. I think she's going to be a force to be reckoned with.

I hope you prove my doubt is unfounded and she turns out great, but I'm expecting her to turn into shit for Ultimate.

 

[shaowebb]

Give me Joe RHK OTG or give me deaaaaaath

THIS. I really don't know why it doesn't work.

 

[SolarPowered]

I'm worried about doom for the same reason. He's my favorite character in vanilla, and I don't want him nerfed to oblivion because they overdid the buffs this time around.

If Magneto, Wesker, Zero, Ammy, Akuma, Phoenix and Dante are any indication I think Doom will be fine in Pringles edition.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

They need to quit playing and just give Morrigan her ground dash back. She'd be a lot better then.

Edit: Worried about Doom? He's making out like a bandit this edition.

 

[Karsticles]

With Chun-li having an OTG, is Viewtiful Joe the only character in the entire game without an OTG move/hyper?

 

[QisTopTier]

With Chun-li having an OTG, is Viewtiful Joe the only character in the entire game without an OTG move/hyper?

Doesn't the bomb otg?

 

[Red Arremer]

Doesn't the bomb otg?

Yea, such a reliable and easy to apply OTG.

I don't think anybody played Joe in any of the builds, so he might have an OTG.

 

[Smo21]

just realized wolvies basic derp combo still does a shit ton on damage.

 

[Busaiku]

With Chun-li having an OTG, is Viewtiful Joe the only character in the entire game without an OTG move/hyper?

Shocking Pink

 

[zlatko]

They can nerf Zero if they want I'd still use him because he's fun to play and the character I played with my limited TvC time. Love MMX series and he's great there too, so for me it isn't about his tier rating, but his awesomeness as a character.

It's like Rolento for me in the games he's put in. I don't give a shit about his tiers, because he just plays so fun and looks bad ass. I'm no going out to win EVO, so I want to have fun onlne, and unless they make it so Zero dies in one hit or some weird shit like he can't ever block, then yeah it's pretty safe to say I'd use him no matter what.

Zero going into MvC3 was the character I wanted to form a team around, and the same is true with UMvC3, but now using new characters to do so. Vanilla team was Zero, Deadpool, Sentinel(sometimes chris), and now it will be Zero, Iron Fist, Hawk Eye. I messed around with a lot of other characters, but Zero is the perma slot.

Being safe doesn't mean he can't get opened up, and with lower health it takes one crack for him to get destroyed. Good character, but he's by no means UMvC3's Dark Phoenix.

 

[Zissou]

They need to quit playing and just give Morrigan her ground dash back. She'd be a lot better then.

Edit: Worried about Doom? He's making out like a bandit this edition.

I'm worried about doom in the edition AFTER ultimate.

 

[Jintor]

Yea, such a reliable and easy to apply OTG.

I don't think anybody played Joe in any of the builds, so he might have an OTG.

Last build I touched RHK did not OTG.

 

[HK-47]

If they dont do something to Arthur's armor...well lets just say obvious fixes dont get more obvious.

 

[Karsticles]

Doesn't the bomb otg?

That's not practical outside of specific team setups though, as far as I know. Then again, he's not a very explored character, so maybe there are things you can do with it to let that happen. Do we even know if his bomb still hits him in UMvC3?

just realized wolvies basic derp combo still does a shit ton on damage.

X-Factor plus 2 bars should kill a good portion of the cast.

Being safe doesn't mean he can't get opened up, and with lower health it takes one crack for him to get destroyed. Good character, but he's by no means UMvC3's Dark Phoenix.

I find it ironic that you say he's not going to be as good as Phoenix, and simultaneously use his health as a justification for why that would be the case.

 

[shaowebb]

Doesn't the bomb impact splode now? Shouldn't that make his OTG with it easier to do?

 

[SolarKnight]

Last build I touched RHK did not OTG.

Do you remember if the bomb exploded on contact now?

 

[Jintor]

You'll have to go over my posts in the old thread, I remember testing it. I don't think they did on my build, but it was an older build.

 

[enzo_gt]

Rough concept for the OT headings:

Y/N?

 

[TDLink]

Enzo, that looks awesome for section headers. Definite "Y" for me.

 

[Karsticles]

IMO, smaller Enzo - it's so big it kind of hurts to look at.

 

[Mit-]

Max please tell me all those X-Factor combos you were doing were for level 3 X-Factor...

 

[Killa Sasa]

Yep, poor Hsien-Ko, Morrigan, Joe, Spider-Man...

It's bad, but at least Spidey can drop like a rock off his airdash with a normal, and still has a much faster web zip. Just going to have to be more creative about getting in. TBH, he DID get in on a lot of characters for free and had massive damage. One of the most underrated characters in Vanilla. He still has weird angles of attack, so I only see this being a really big problem against the best of zoners, IE Hawkeye (who will be on my team anyway) or Trish. I don't mind some matchups being worsened for Spidey if it encourages more thinking in the game overall.

I will miss that delicious airdash, just gotta be more judicious with it .

The other 3 though...yeah, pretty big blow. Don't know why Capcom has no love for Morrigan especially.

In other news, Nova's theme is amazing.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

IMO Chun and Joe dont really need OTG moves since they have alot of floating/relaunch combos, combo might i add, that last forever.

Spidey too, an OTG move was'nt the change he needed.

 

[enzo_gt]

IMO, smaller Enzo - it's so big it kind of hurts to look at.

It's definitely gonna be smaller, gotta work in high res first.

 

[Anth0ny]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I mashed that y key faster than Flocker mashed cr.l

 

[Jintor]

What font are you using?

 

[enzo_gt]

What font are you using?

It's called Badaboom. Same one from the trailers.

 

[GuardianE]

They can nerf Zero if they want I'd still use him because he's fun to play and the character I played with my limited TvC time. Love MMX series and he's great there too, so for me it isn't about his tier rating, but his awesomeness as a character.

It's like Rolento for me in the games he's put in. I don't give a shit about his tiers, because he just plays so fun and looks bad ass. I'm no going out to win EVO, so I want to have fun onlne, and unless they make it so Zero dies in one hit or some weird shit like he can't ever block, then yeah it's pretty safe to say I'd use him no matter what.

Zero going into MvC3 was the character I wanted to form a team around, and the same is true with UMvC3, but now using new characters to do so. Vanilla team was Zero, Deadpool, Sentinel(sometimes chris), and now it will be Zero, Iron Fist, Hawk Eye. I messed around with a lot of other characters, but Zero is the perma slot.

Being safe doesn't mean he can't get opened up, and with lower health it takes one crack for him to get destroyed. Good character, but he's by no means UMvC3's Dark Phoenix.

I don't think anyone's criticizing you for using Zero because you like him as a character. That doesn't change the fact that he's going to be ridiculous in UMvC3. He, along with Doom, are going to be stupid good.

I hope you prove my doubt is unfounded and she turns out great, but I'm expecting her to turn into shit for Ultimate.

It's wishful thinking, for sure, but not blind optimism. I'll have my fingers crossed, since we won't know until we see how the new characters evolve.

 

[SolarPowered]

It's wishful thinking, for sure, but not blind optimism. I'll have my fingers crossed, since we won't know until we see how the new characters evolve.

At least seven out of the twelve new characters will eat her alive easily.

 

[RuinerPrime]

dumb question for enzo_gt about the coming OT: will you be including PSN names & Gamer tags list in the OT? I wanna get a full lobby together on launch day on psn, & id like to add any mahvelGAF regulars to my friends list.


For Shaowebb (& SCIENCE)


Rankings of new characters

Nova - Fan of his comics therefore my "Most hyped new character", next would be RR tho
Ghost Rider - A zoning god from the looks of it
Nemesis - i don't play heavy characters at all...until Nov 15th
Firebrand - DIVEKICKS & SHIT
Iron Fist - Looks like a power house, great looking point character
Wright - looks like fun, i don't know if he fits my style
Vergil - i see a lot of this guy online in my future *cries*
Strider - everyone and my grandma plans on using him, so im not as hyped
Hawkeye - Id like to play around with first
Dr Strange - probably gonna be to technical for me

Fave theme

Ghost Rider
Nova
Wright
Nemesis
Dr Strange
Firebrand
Iron Fist
Vergil
Strider
Hawkeye

Favorite new assist

Ghost Rider Heartless spire

Preferred playstyle

50% Rushdown, 25% Zone, 25% Reactionary lol I like Balanced teams i.e. Dorm(Zone), Nova(Rush), Nemesis(Tank)

Intended team

Copy & Paste from a old post

Team 1 - Ironman(Mid Zone) - Nova(Rush) - Dormammu(Zone & Teleport)

Team 2 - Rocket Raccoon(Zone) - Spencer(what Spencer does lol) - Nemesis(Tank)

Team 3 - Ghost Rider(Zone) - Firebrand(Rush) - Dormammu(Zone & Teleport) Edit: i guess you could call this team "Hell"

Theme team - Cosmic! - Kl'rt - Rocket - Nova

 

[Caj814]

Niitsuma tweeted that some character changes were added to the main site
http://www.capcom.co.jp/mvsc3/system_character.html

 

[Dahbomb]

Yo man looks like I missed a ton of updates. Let me catch up...

 

[QisTopTier]

Niitsuma tweeted that some character changes were added to the main site
http://www.capcom.co.jp/mvsc3/system_character.html

 

[SephirothRK]

Someone translate them now! Although we probably already know most of the changes.

 

[Zissou]

Fuck, I wish I knew more japanese fighting game terminology. This shit is tough to understand.

 

[Professor Beef]

Google translate sez Phoenix has 375k health.

SHUMA
The inevitable jump down to S, remove the final blow-down.
Strength from each other as well as generally successful in throwing ·, "HC gauge" to absorb (to increase their side than it reduces the opponent's gauge.)
• The move to de-Baitarizeshon faster. Roll-up Hits · Hyper Mystic Smash Hits roll up · Chaos Dimension

SPIDEY
• Web-glide speed up the yarn.
• Web-enabled glide down the final blow.
• Web with Spider Sting swing, glide to the cancellation on the web web ball.
Air to expose the web swing swing from the ground · web.
• Web-enabled combo slow correction.
• The crawler frame reduces the overall assault.
• The crawler technique down to a determined assault.
Change the orientation to landscape orientation • The Ultimate Web Throw attack. Roll-up Hits · Crawler Assault Gacha-up lever No. of hits: the Ultimate Web Throw

 

[Zissou]

・ジャンプＳをダウン回避不能にし、ダウン追い打ちを削除。
・通常投げ成功で相手から体力だけでなく、「HCゲージ」も吸収する（相手のゲージを減らせて自分側をより増やす　）。
・ディバイタリゼーションの動けるまでを速く。
・連打ヒット数アップ：ハイパーミスティックスマッシュ
・連打ヒット数アップ：カオスディメンション

-Something about jumping S, fuck if I know
-Grabs suck hyper meter now
-Devitalization... a name for a special move? I'm not familiar with Shuma. Something about it being faster.
The last two are hyper mystic smash and chaos dimension being mashable now.

 

[Dahbomb]

Zero is so S tier in UMVC3 currently it's not even funny. Top 3 returning from MVC3 are Viper, Zero and Doom as said numerous time already.

I would be fine with Doom if they removed his ability to do quadruple relaunches. Viper may be affected by reduced meter gain. Zero is just the best right now but he is also affected by the air dash block change. Oh and he got a health buff too. lol

LOL Wolverine still has a TOD in X Factor LVL1. STILL THE BEST THERE IS!

 

[Professor Beef]

-Devitalization... a name for a special move? I'm not familiar with Shuma. Something about it being faster.

That's his command grab, I think.

 

[Dahbomb]

Hold on Wesker has 900K health now? So back to low health for him then.

Oh shit at Iron Man's changelog... it's the biggest there is.

LOL Phoenix nerf sighted... her traps disappear if she gets hit.

Sentinel has aerial armor? WTF...

Did Magneto's Magnetic Tempest have invincibility? It says that they removed his invincibility on the hyper.

Iron Man's j.S appears to have a larger hit box.

Tons of Iron Man buffs spotted including on his Smart Bombs and Repulsor Blasts/Spreads.

It appears Hulk has better combo chains now. Gamma Charges have more armor?

LOL no way that's all of Doom's changelist. We have more documented changes on him.

 

[Zissou]

Thor!

・立ち中のノックバックを短く。
・立ち弱、ジャンプ弱、マイティスパーク発生時の飛ぶ前、マイティスマッシュの攻撃判定を若干拡大。
・通常技最低ダメージ保障を増加。
・必殺技最低ダメージ保障を増加。
・マイティスパークの受け身不能時間を増加。
・マイティスマッシュ強の最大溜め時間を減少。
・マイティストライクの全体フレームを短く。
・マイティストライクの最大溜め時間を減少。
・マイティハリケーンの間合いを全て拡大。
・マイティパニッシュを1フレーム目から無敵に。
・マイティパニッシュの有利時間増加。
・マイティパニッシュの投げ間合いを拡大。
・連打ヒット数アップ：マイティトルネード（地上・空中）

-Standing medium's knockback has been shortened
-Standing light, jumping light, mighty spark on start-up, and might smash's (priority?) have been improved
-Normal moves' damage (guarantee?) has been increased overall
-Special move's damage (guarantee?) has been increased overall
-Mighty spark's recovery time has been improved (really not sure about this one)
-The time needed to do a maximum charge on Mighty smash H has been decreased
-Mighty Strike's frames have been shortened overall (?... maybe startup frames)
-The time needed to fully charge mighty strike has been decreased
-The range on all mighty hurricanes has been improved
-Mighty punish is invincible from the first frame
-Mighty punish's active frames have been increased (?)
-Mighty punish's range has been improved
-Mighty tornado is now mashable

....I think I'm out of my depth. We need someone who is smarter than me to translate this stuff.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah those Thor changes were suspected for quite some time now but never proven... especially the stuff on the Mighty Punish. Lots of Thor buffs.

Also it appears that Wolverine can't mash cr.L's for hit confirmation.

Mighty spark's recovery time has been improved (really not sure about this one)

Both recovery and start up have been improved on Thor's projectiles Mighty Spark. This has been confirmed visually and by people playing him.

Also his Mighty Strikes either recovery faster, cause more hit stun and/or are faster on start up/take less time to charge. They have definitely improved his Mighty Strikes although it's hard to pin point where exactly.

Loving them Thor buffs.

 

[Zissou]

Is there anything else anybody wants translated now, rather than having to wait for somebody better to do it? Some stuff is easy to figure out- anything written in red is a new special move, and stuff in orange denotes a mashable hyper. Let me know- I was just trying to figure out shuma and thor because it seems like there's the least known about them.

 

[smurfx]

somebody do taskmaster. he has a bunch of stuff that seems new from what what has been said changed about him. i see something about cancelling his web swing.

 

[Dahbomb]

Can you clear up the Wolverine nerfs? Especially the first part and the part about "lowest priority".

In fact.... you should do all of them if you can because I see new stuff on everyone (except MODOK lol).

 

[Zissou]

I'm on my phone now, and it keeps redirecting me to the mobile site so I can't see the character changes. Can you copy and paste the Japanese into a post here on gaf?

 

[smurfx]

I'm on my phone now, and it keeps redirecting me to the mobile site so I can't see the character changes. Can you copy and paste the Japanese into a post here on gaf?

here is taskmaster.

・ジャンプ強の浮きを高く。
・通常技の最低ダメージ保障を減少。
・ウェブスウィングをキャンセル可能に。
・チャージングスターの地上やられを吹き飛びに。
・チャージングスターの浮きを低く。
・エイムマスターのダメージを減少。
・エイムマスター強の浮きを低く。
・空中エイムマスター強の浮きを低く。
・スティングマスターを追加。
・ハイパーコンボの最低ダメージ保障を減少。
・レギオンアローを単発ではダメージは今までと変わらないが、コンボに組み込むと前作よりダメージが減らなくなるように修正。
・連打ヒット数アップ：レギオンアロー（地上・空中）

 

[Zissou]

here is taskmaster.

・ジャンプ強の浮きを高く。
・通常技の最低ダメージ保障を減少。
・ウェブスウィングをキャンセル可能に。
・チャージングスターの地上やられを吹き飛びに。
・チャージングスターの浮きを低く。
・エイムマスターのダメージを減少。
・エイムマスター強の浮きを低く。
・空中エイムマスター強の浮きを低く。
・スティングマスターを追加。
・ハイパーコンボの最低ダメージ保障を減少。
・レギオンアローを単発ではダメージは今までと変わらないが、コンボに組み込むと前作よりダメージが減らなくなるように修正。
・連打ヒット数アップ：レギオンアロー（地上・空中）

-Jumpin h has had its floating(?) height increased
-Normal move damage (scaling??) has been made worse
-You can now cancel web swing
-something about the distance from the ground and charging star... I'm pretty lost on this one
-Charging star's floatiness(?) has been lowered
-Aim master's damage has been decreased
-Aim master h's height/floatiness has been lowered
-Jumping aim master h's height/floatiness had been decreased
-A new move, sting master(??) has been added
-Hyper combo damage has been decreased
-as raw hyper, Legion arrow's damage hasn't been changed, but in combos, the damage has been lowered/fixed
-Both grounded and aerial legion arrow hypers are now mashable

 

[Dahbomb]

Tons of changes on Dormammu's Dark Spells listed as well as many changes to Hulk's Gamma Charges.

Where Japanese GAF at?

Oh shit at them Taskmaster NERFS. Updating changelog.

Thor got buffed considerably. IMO they fixed all his problems without actually changing him drastically.

Phoenix:

・体力を3750に減少。
・しゃがみ中の前進距離を若干短く。
・TKショットを攻撃を受けたら消えるように。
・空中TKショット後に行動不能に。
・TKトラップを攻撃を受けたら消えるように。

Wolverine:

・ダイビングキックとジャンプ弱の攻撃判定を小さく。
・バーサーカースラッシュの無敵を削除。
・マシンガンクローを追加。
・バーサーカーチャージのコマンド入力優先順位をHCで一番低く。
・連打ヒット数アップ：バーサーカーバレッジX
・連打ヒット数アップ：フェイタルクロー（地上・空中）
・連打ヒット数アップ：ウェポンX

Sentinel:

・体力を9000に変更。
・エリアル始動のアーマーを1発に。
・ロケットパンチの受け身不能時間を減少。
・アシストαの後ろからガード時のノックバックを逆に。
・連打ヒット数アップ：プラズマストーム


Iron Man:

・空中ダッシュの挙動を調整（初速を遅く、加速を大きく）。
・2段ジャンプをなくし、空中ダッシュでジャンプ攻撃をキャンセルできるように。
・しゃがみ強をキャンセル可能に。
・しゃがみ強の受け身不能時間を増加。
・立ち強・ジャンプSの攻撃判定を拡大。
・通常技の最低ダメージ補正を減少。
・必殺技の最低ダメージ補正を上昇。
・リパルサーブラスト中のコマンド入力受付をアイアンマンの向いている方向に固定。
・リパルサースプレッドを強ボタンを追加入力するだけで発動できるようにコマンドを変更。
・リパルサースプレッドをダウン確定技に。
・スマートボムのダメージアップ。
・スマートボムの受け身不能時間を減少。
・地上スマートボムの全体フレームを短く。
・飛行の全体フレームを速く。
・連打ヒット数アップ：プロトンキャノン（正面・対空）
・連打ヒット数アップ：アイアンアヴェンジャー


Dormammu:

・地上チェーンを３HITまでつながるように。
・弱攻撃の仰け反りを増加。
・ダークマターをキャンセル可能に。
・フレイムカーペットを攻撃を喰らって消えるように。
・地上投げをダウン確定技に。
・ダークスペルとリベレーションが空中でも出せるように。
・ダークスペル噴火を発生保障技（１フレーム目で攻撃判定が出る技）に。
・ダークスペル噴火部分をダウン回避不能に。
・ダークスペル噴火の礫の発生を遅く。
・ダークスペル噴火の礫のダメージを増加。
・ダークスペル隕石を発生保障技に。
・連打ヒット数アップ：カオティックフレイム

 

[smurfx]

what do they mean by floatiness? i don't mind some nerfs if that new impale move makes blocked charging stars safe.