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Uncharted 3 reviews
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And what would you rate gears 3?Amir0x said:
Although for me uncharted is a 9/10 or maybe 10/10 game, i can understand if u think its an 8 game. But if u compare it to other 8/10 reviews on eurogamer, i think this is very unfair to uncharted. With it unmatched production values.
tha_devil said:
You know, I am a huge Uncharted fan, but production values ain't everything really. Sure, it's a big part of it, but if it's really as linear and under constant control as they say, then I understand them.
It might have huge amazing setpieces, awesome voiceacting and everything, but if you can't steer off path without dying then yes, I can see why some people have problems with it.
tha_devil said:
You see, this is where score system as we know it fails. Because according to your logic reviewers shouldn't give indie games good scores (even if the game is amazing and addictive) because those games automatically lose due to lower production values than most AAA games.
Also, why do you need to compare games with similar grades. Each game is different, each has different cons and pros, you can't compare them based just on a single number.
ProfessorMoran
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KAOz said:
Unless you have an open-world game or some sort of hub-based adventure game, it's going to be linear, everything from Uncharted 3 to Gears 3 to BF3 to the next MW are all linear, I can understand that some people don't like that game type, but I can't even imagine the kind of costs involved if one were to make Uncharted 3 into a much more open experience, even the last HALO was much more focused and linear, with the expectations being so high on production values, I doubt it's possible anymore.
Callibretto
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Mr_Zombie said:
eurogamer review totally dismiss the gameplay portion of the game though, he talk as if the whole game is about setpieces. he didn't talk about the gunplay/combat, level design, enemy ai, which is the main gameplay portion of uncharted. he mention the shooting is robust in one paragraph and that's it. compare to gamespot review that go at length why the gunplay is great, how the level design is good and encourage multiple approach, there's 'freedom' in how you tackle a shootout.
Uncharted has always been a shooter first and everything else second, but some people keep denying it.
The whole thread is just depressing. A 8/10 for a blockbuster is now controversial?
People don't want reviews or opinions, they just want rubber stamp to approve of their purchases. It's a known fact, but rarely do we see it appear so blatantly.
I haven't played the game yet but I'm pretty sure i will enjoy it if it's good despite someone else in the world not going crazy over it.
People don't want reviews or opinions, they just want rubber stamp to approve of their purchases. It's a known fact, but rarely do we see it appear so blatantly.
I haven't played the game yet but I'm pretty sure i will enjoy it if it's good despite someone else in the world not going crazy over it.
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Why you gotta bust balls?Gustav said:
Maleficence
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WHERE'S THE OT!?
Fallout-NL
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iratA said:
Hmm, the Eurogamer review actually had very few spoilery bits.
lowrider007
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Callibretto said:
Agreed completely, just finished reading the eurogamer review and felt the same, he spent way too much time critiquing the strict linearity of 'some' of the set-pieces and almost insinuated that the whole game was like that, he hardly spent any time on the core mechanics of the game, I really feel that some reviewers struggle with games like this as it's always easier to 'pad out' a review with mundane criticisms than it is to explain what makes the game good.
That being said I certainly don't have a problem with 8/10.
The way I read it, it's more the illusion of autonomy that games should have and, according to Parkin, Uncharted failed a number of times in. Walk in the wrong direction and suddenly topple over and die just because you went past an invisible wall. I can totally see why this would break the immersion, which in turn is important for a game such as this. It's a delicate line and in the opinion of this reviewer, in his playthrough, it crossed that line a couple of times. So, not a perfect experience (that, and maybe a 'simple' blockbuster ride), still a great game, 8/10.Mr_Zombie said:
lowrider007
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Timber said:
really? I think I must of read a different review then,
"But it also reveals another truth. Uncharted 3 is the most exciting game in the world, but only until you deviate from the script. Even in this chase the conflict between the developer's theatrical choreography and player-controlled interactions is clear. In order to ensure each set-piece is set off correctly, the game commits the cardinal sin of insinuating you have full control of your character, but in fact tugging you towards trigger points - making sure you're in the right spot to tumble over the bonnet of that braking car, for example.
Likewise, mistimed leaps are given a gentle physics-defying boost to reduce the staccato rhythm of having to restart a section. It's entirely understandable given what the developer is attempting to achieve - an unbroken flow of action that leads to climax - but, at the same time, beneath the spectacle there's a nagging feeling that your presence in the scene is an irritation rather than a preference.
Your freedom of choice risks ruining the shot. Indeed, throughout the game, if you jump into an area you are not supposed to visit, Drake will crumple on the floor dead, Naughty Dog switching role from movie director to vindictive god. That is not your predestined path: Game Over."
spekkeh said:
I'm saying it's difficult to do it well, it's always easier to criticise, almost any jornouslist will tell you that.
SmokedMeat
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Haven't read the Eurogamer review, or any other review outside of the Edge one, and I really don't care to.
I LOVE the Uncharted series, and the high quality that's put into each release. I know I'm going to love the third game, and any version with ND at the helm.
It's going to be tough holding off on this until Christmas morning (more like Christmas night when company leaves, and the house is cleaned up), but I've gotta at least have one game I'm truly hyped for waiting for me under the tree.
I can only hope that the Vita game is given as much care and attention as it's console brothers.
I LOVE the Uncharted series, and the high quality that's put into each release. I know I'm going to love the third game, and any version with ND at the helm.
It's going to be tough holding off on this until Christmas morning (more like Christmas night when company leaves, and the house is cleaned up), but I've gotta at least have one game I'm truly hyped for waiting for me under the tree.
I can only hope that the Vita game is given as much care and attention as it's console brothers.
Mr_Zombie said:
Exactly this. The infantile logic that your favorite game got the same score (an 8, not even a bad score) as a game you don't like doesn't mean they are the same or one is worse, or someone is being unfair to one of those games. They are not attacking or criticizing a game with a number by saying it is equal to all other games with the same score but actually they're putting any shortcomings the game may have into a numerical value, please understand this.
These reviews are opinions and the scores may be given by different reviewers, but ultimately it doesn't matter because they felt the game deserved exactly what it gets and NOT what the consensus maybe, they even go into detail as to why they feel that way.
The most preposterous Uncharted 3 review is not Eurogamer's but IGN's because it does a piss poor job of justifying the score it was awarded. You can not call someone's opinion as false or unfair or baseless (they have played the game) because it is quite petty and purely idiotic.
Mortrialus
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Mama Robotnik said:
Book marking this post, because it is absolutely hilarious.
You can fill your game with branching paths and still have jump assist and deadly invisible walls. These are not so much problems inherent to linearity (they're not shared by most perfectly linear games) as problems caused by the cinematic style. He writes that it's cinematic gaming taken to an extreme: The developers direct the player and yell cut whenever he messes up slightly. You can make a game that's 100% linear without these added restrictions. It's been done before.lowrider007 said:
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SmokyDave said:
Is really not that different from invisible walls... If the game is just as linear as previous installments, then I am perfectly fine with that.
Next gen is when I think they will take what they have learned from the Jak series (seamless open world) and combine it with some elements from Uncharted...at least thats what I am hoping for
lowrider007
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Timber said:
Yes you can, but it won't have the same 'interactive' cinematic scope as some of the set pieces in Uncharted, they are done like that for a reason, they want you to feel the whole dramatic scene in one take, I agree it may not be a great method but I think for the majority it achieves what it sets out to do, Uncharted is all about cinematic moments, it's what makes the game unique imo, it wouldn't be the same game otherwise.
lowrider007 said:
I imagine the reviewer agrees, as he gave the game pretty high marks. But I also think it is definitely something that bears mentioning in a review; whether or not the interactivity being so frequently trivialized or sidelined impacts the experience negatively - and by how much - is going to come down to the individual. Which the reviewer in fact does fall under.
Fix The Scientist
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That IGN review was way over the top with praise and the Eurogamer review was way too cynical. 10 and the 8 have made me equally furious!
I'm a big fan of linear games and a huge proponent of streamlining. But streamlining should serve to let the player walk into the intended path volitionally (or at least make him think he does), not force the player to do it. I haven't played the game yet, but at least in theory I can see where the reviewer is coming from. Incidentally, it's what I really like about some of the setpieces in the beginning of Batman. For instance, you get shot by Two-Face, and I thought that was because I didn't dodge correctly, because it happened during a fight; of course the same thing happens to everyone that plays the game.
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Timber said:
His complaint, as written in the review, is more than that. He expects a level of freedom really few games give you (I can't even remember one now).
I admit I have not played Uncharted 3's campaign, but I find hard to believe that it would be any different than Uncharted 2 in terms of "driven" set pieces. If it happens to be as big of a deal as he tries to paint, then he would be more than correct to complain.
But his justifications are simply not there. I could substitute the name Uncharted and they would work for a whole gamut of games.
And if you ignore that, his review comes as awkward, because that's more than half of his text. What about the acting, the story pace, the mechanics? He takes 1 paragraph to barely address this. Then he finishes talking about the multiplayer in such a uninterested manner.
It may be a well written piece as in english use, but as an actual review, not by a longshot.
But that's actually way too common in videogame journalism, so no surprises there.
matrix-cat
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Maybe with a hundred point scale, but Eurogamer only does whole numbers and if they required absolute perfection for a 10 they'd never give one. They gave Uncharted 2 one, which presumably has the same flaw of dying when you jump to certain places you're not supposed to go (something that's been in the series since the first game).SmokyDave said:
Different reviewers, I'm sure. Most of the problems he mentions in the review have been in Uncharted all along, and indeed in practically every game that shoots for a similar sense of cinematic-ness. You can't do Uncharted-esque setpieces and have extensive player agency at the same time; those things are opposites. To start harping about it at this point in the generation when pretty much every gamer is familiar with them just feels silly. Fully half the review could have been replaced with the sentence "Yo it's Uncharted".
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matrix-cat said:
This was one of the criticisms aimed at Gears 3 in the IW podcast. Seems a little... late?
Callibretto
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Uncharted 2 is already like that, during traversal and climbing, if you didn't jump to the intended path, you tend to fall and die, that said, generally, ND do a very good job pointing out where you need to go, so most of the time, you're not going to jump blindly and fall dead because it's the wrong direction, and even if you did fall and die, the checkpoint is very generous so you don't lose that much time replaying that part again.Tom Penny said:
now I don't know if Uncharted 3 does a good job or not in showing where you need to go, it could be too vague that lead to a lot of unintended death, but if it is that bad, other website and magazine reviews haven't found it an issue since they didn't mention it.
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