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Uncharted 4: A Thief's End |OT| You're gonna miss this ass
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WadiumArcadium
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I thought Hard was a good choice for the first playthrough. There's certainly some tricky bits but I prefer that to cruising through it. I can definitely see a few parts that'll be frustrating on Crushing though.
timmyp53
Member
I played on moderate and would always get flanked as well. Saw my brother playing on hard and didn't notice a difference beside losing health faster? Is AI behavior more aggressive on crushing? If not, how does it scale?
Lys Skygge
Member
I agree. Their relationship felt incredibly real.
Yeah i agree. You can feel from the start that U4 is a special game. Of course there are different opinions in the world and maybe for someone UC2 will be the best game in the series forever.
I think that was mine too. The
Nate and Elena sofa scene
elevator climb conversation followed by the tranquil drive through the forest, with music in the background.
Actually,
the final conversation between Nate and Sam was pretty great as well
Trigonometrize.
Member
What's wrong with something being exceptionally good on all levels, even outside of the game? I've watched Force Awakens six times, and that has no game play, just one long cutscene. The obsession with replay ability is mind numbing.
everyday math
Banned
It really was. Partly why I feel slightly dead inside now that we won't see these characters anymore.
johnnydrama
Banned
Just me or is anyone else also feeling like there's not much replay value here? I did a lot of exploration on my first run and found all the notes and did the optional conversations, and now when I go back, I just don't *feel* it. I've got some treasures to find, but other than that I'm really not enjoying playing through it again, even though it's my top 5 of all time.
I dont get its,to me no game should be design around being replayed again.
Vire
Member
In all honesty I don't have much interest in playing on anything harder than moderate. Half the super fun stuff like swinging off ropes and punching guys in death defying ways would be absolutely impossible on a mode like crushing. I just feel like hiding behind a wall and picking off enemies one by one in a very cautious shooting gallery is the antithesis of how I would want to play this.
Oh well, no platinum for me I guess.
Oh well, no platinum for me I guess.
Because the encounters are just so fun. I want more of it.. And as someone who is planning to platinum this game, I am dreading the mindless traversal segments that make up like more than half the game.
Totally agreed. I wish there were no cover mechanic, and the game was designed on pure traversal combat.
This is why games like Infamous are just a blast to replay.
AI is definitely more aggressive on crushing. They spot you (and dead bodies) basically straight away, e.g. in about a second or so, whereas on moderate you have a few seconds before they get alerted. The enemies also flank and pin much more aggressively on crushing too. Relentlessly even, but only after they've actually spotted you. That said, because of lower enemy numbers in earlier encounters, coupled with how effective stealth is, most encounters on crushing aren't actually that hard till late game.
Lol. Good luck doing that on crushing. It's basically the opposite of how you actually have to approach the encounters.
I'm in chapter 11 at the moment (maybe 10) but so far I'm not really feeling it even if I'm happy to keep playing it through to the end.
Criticisms
* The auto-climbing is pointless padding with zero challenge (but at least they have toned down on the last minute rusty pipe collapses and when these happen you usually end up in a different area altogether)
* Shoot-outs are sparse. Unlike UC3 I'm actually hoping for some of them now.
* The core gameplay loop explore-climb-solve puzzle - shootout-escape has been spread to thin after 4 games. It feels out of balance and no longer interesting - playing is a chore
Praises
* Visuals are excellent, surpassing MGSV for colour and vibrancy
* The grapple hook is fun to use, although perhaps could have been used more a la Tenchu
* Animation is top notch and they have reduced the wet noodle controls from Uncharted 3
* Areas feel utilised fully or near enough, and multiple pathways like in an early chapter building are great when present for different strategies
I think overall (based on, as I said, 10 or 11 chapters) this game would have been incredibly impressive if it had been released 5 years ago. Today though it feels like a natural time to wind up the series and the gameplay structure in time for something more meaty.
I wonder how the rest of the game will reinforce or change these impressions.
Criticisms
* The auto-climbing is pointless padding with zero challenge (but at least they have toned down on the last minute rusty pipe collapses and when these happen you usually end up in a different area altogether)
* Shoot-outs are sparse. Unlike UC3 I'm actually hoping for some of them now.
* The core gameplay loop explore-climb-solve puzzle - shootout-escape has been spread to thin after 4 games. It feels out of balance and no longer interesting - playing is a chore
Praises
* Visuals are excellent, surpassing MGSV for colour and vibrancy
* The grapple hook is fun to use, although perhaps could have been used more a la Tenchu
* Animation is top notch and they have reduced the wet noodle controls from Uncharted 3
* Areas feel utilised fully or near enough, and multiple pathways like in an early chapter building are great when present for different strategies
I think overall (based on, as I said, 10 or 11 chapters) this game would have been incredibly impressive if it had been released 5 years ago. Today though it feels like a natural time to wind up the series and the gameplay structure in time for something more meaty.
I wonder how the rest of the game will reinforce or change these impressions.
Portugeezer
Member
I usually play games on harder difficulty, but I understand what you're saying. Many times I feel bad that I can't utilise the level design to it's full potential because I feel like I would die trying (and I have).
MegaSackman
Member
I don't know, I'm playing again and even if I'm not super engaged like the first time I'm trying to do perfect set pieces to record some videos. Some sequences are spectacular.
I wish I would have played the game on moderate the first time, much more fun to fight this way.
MvmntInGrn
Member
Still working my way through this. I finished UC2 in a day and UC3 in maybe 3 sittings. I'm enjoying myself but at the same time the series feels pretty same-y to me now even with the new gameplay elements. Still feel like the shoot-out design (cover, enemy placement and movement into the field) can be pretty poor at times but that has been a problem with every Uncharted game in my opinion.
I feel like everything but the gameplay is keeping me playing which is a shame after the stunning job The Last of Us did keeping everything so well woven.
I feel like everything but the gameplay is keeping me playing which is a shame after the stunning job The Last of Us did keeping everything so well woven.
I have to take issue with this. Arcade heritage classics, your Gradius and Contra and Street Fighters and Final Fights all depend on this. Then you have Treasure's output from Sin and Punishment to Gunstar and Guardian Heroes, and Platinum games like Bayonetta.
Replay is a critical component in many games. Over-reliance on cinematic techniques does not negate the need for great gameplay mechanics.
timmyp53
Member
I think that was mine too. Theis a close second. I also loved theNate and Elena sofa sceneelevator climb conversation followed by the tranquil drive through the forest, with music in the background.
Actually,the final conversation between Nate and Sam was pretty great as well
For some reason the
"Elena Death/Kiss"
In Greek "nostalgia" literally means "the pain from an old wound.".
Emerson's Essentia
Banned
Wait, you find a problem with someone seeking replayability from a piece of entertainment?
Am I reading this right?
Because not only does this sound remarkable but it doesn't even follow from your comments regarding TFA
Sure but its not a arcade game though its trying to tell a story.
I almost want to say the game feels bloated due to the climbing segments. TLOU was another game with a lot of travelling but it never bored me to the level UC4 did. That might be due to how absurdly long many of the travelling parts are or due to the general simplicity of the actual climbing mechanics.
psychotron
Member
Anyone else get frame drops and stutters after getting to....the
Not all the time but it seems to be happening as I'm exploring on foot every now and again.
island? The one where you and Sam drive the boat around exploring.
Da' hell? Why not? In all almost all games I love, I always start a second playthrough right after the first to experience the gameplay mechanics and characters gain. Except of course in heavy cinematic games. I beat the likes of DMC4 more than 10 times, despite sub-par level design.
Uncharted 2/3, despite being cinematic, always had a lot of spectacular gameplay moments that I would want to replay over and over again. While UC4 does have some wonderful gameplay moments, they are so few this time around.
Emerson's Essentia
Banned
Holy crap!
Holy crap what?
Vire
Member
Why there are over ten drop the box so I can get to a higher point things in this game is beyond me. Just absolutely baffling.
timmyp53
Member
I think you need to flesh this idea/thought out before you get attacked hard here.
DJSebolski
Member
Still think Uncharted 2 is better but I'm enjoying it. Devs fell in love with sliding and swinging mechanic didn't they
Yeah, I beat it on Hard and would recommend Moderate for people's first time through, regardless of your skill level. It's not that Hard is too difficult, it's that it felt like I was more limited in the sandbox sections to go crazy, and I spent more time in cover than I would've liked.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Yeah my ps4 dumped there
I found the first quarter of UC3, TLOU and UC4 a bit slow for my liking. For me UC4 doesn't really get going till Chapter 10 and onwards. Granted I absolutely love the Auction/Heist level, and really enjoyed elements of Scotland, but the rest of the first 9 chapters still felt a tad too plodding. If just a few more gunfights or a major set piece of some kind was thrown in somewhere in the first 9 chapters, it would have been perfect. As is, whilst the game is imo still a masterpiece, I think UC2 remains the only ND game to date that has perfect pacing.
I don't know, I think UC4 will be highly repayable. I'm pretty much done with a second play through now, and I'm already thinking about a possible third. No doubt in future I'll play through it again too.
Sure, but story shouldn't be mutually exclusive from replay ability (which is a subjective measure obviously).
Look at games like the original Deus Ex, or Metal Gear and Ocarina. All story driven but still very much replayable.
Emerson's Essentia
Banned
Can you please elaborate on that thought?
It's probably for loading reasons but holy shit does it just make everything come to a crashing halt. They need to find some way of mixing that up.
It's not just the early parts though but stuff like the tunnel in Chapter 19. That had no business being remotely as long as it was.
I would add TLOU as another game with pretty much flawless pacing. Well other than Pittsburgh.
Not saying its not replayable,some people think the first chapters hurt replayability.
GravityInsanity
Member
Chapter 19 is over with pretty quickly on repeat play throughs tbh. As you sort of already know what to expect, you're not taking it so cautiously and actually run through all the exploding shit really quick. I actually enjoyed that chapter a whole lot more on my second play through, and the gunfights in that chapter actually took up a much larger bulk of the play time.
Vire
Member
At the very least, even if it was loading purposes... Mix it up some with some other menial task. Why is the same crate with wheels scattered across the entire world? For the painstaking efforts they made to try and justify everything in this game and make it feel more grounded, it seemed ultra silly/eyerollworthy everytime one of those crate sequences came about.
Especially since Sam has a rope in his back pocket haha. Just throw the damn rope down.
darkwing-buck
Member
The combat is the best it has ever been in uncharted, I just replayed the
again.
mansion fight
Portugeezer
Member
It reminded me of the TLOU floating pallets, except those made more sense.
Guys, I got a question. So..I just finished the game.
U know the trailer, there was a part where sam and nathan were about to fall into a waterfall and nathan was holding on to the jeep.. did that happen in the game?
Also the part where Sam was about to fall down some pit and nathan was trying to catch him. I dont remember seeing that scene in the game either.
U know the trailer, there was a part where sam and nathan were about to fall into a waterfall and nathan was holding on to the jeep.. did that happen in the game?
Also the part where Sam was about to fall down some pit and nathan was trying to catch him. I dont remember seeing that scene in the game either.
Vire
Member
Ironically, the teaser trailer that Amy is arguably much darker than what we got with Druckmann and Straley. Seemed like they had Sam as more of an antagonistic role previously. In all honestly, not sure if that would have worked for this series given the past entries tone.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I don't even think it was betraying, I think he was straight up going to be the antagonist
Portugeezer
Member
Are you referring to the jeep section in
Madagascar where it falls of a cliff but the rope on the tree holds the jeep?
I like Sam how he is in the current UC4. In regards to Amy, I was more curious about the set-pieces they had planned in this one, more than the story.
Unknown One
Member
Yeah it does feel that way. I'm glad it went the way it did. Uncharted to me is best when it's a light hearted adventure. Though one approach is dark the other is more grounded. I rather take the grounded approach than the dark tone.
That's probably done so idiot players can know what they can and can't move. Otherwise you'll get tons of people complaining that they can't find the magic box.
I'll be frank though, I would rather take a loading screen over having to find or push X number of boxes.
Parts of that though really aren't that interesting. Either they should have come up with more elaborate booby traps or deathtraps or just cut out me sliding down a ramp for the umpteeth time.
Trigonometrize.
Member
When I say replay ability I'm talking about having a video game specifically designed to accommodate to be played again rather than something being just plain good so that you want to play it again regardless of some loop. I watch TFA again because it's awesome. Same goes for Uncharted 4 if it's well made.
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